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Air-India Golden Oldie In LHR  
User currently offlineTheBigOne From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2004, 240 posts, RR: 0
Posted (9 years 6 months 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 6187 times:

To all the AI buffs out there - At approx 14:45 (British Summer Time) this afternoon, I saw an Air-India B747-200 on approach to runway 9L. The B742 was replaced by the B744 on the London run a long time ago, and I'm wondering why this old beauty visited LHR today? If it was a replacement for the regular 744 flights, I wonder if it continued to JFK? Any info would be welcome.


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User currently offlineB747-437B From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (9 years 6 months 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 6113 times:

VT-EGC has been subbing for the 744 on AI 121 BOM-AMD-LHR for the past few rotations. She operated in last Sunday as well.

I meant to post but forgot. Sorry. Look for her again on Sunday afternoon.


User currently offlineTheBigOne From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2004, 240 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (9 years 6 months 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 5910 times:

Sean

Thanks for the information as always. I was under the impression that AI's B742s did not have TCAS and were therefore not allowed to fly into Europe and the US under the new RVSM legislation. Also, what happens to the first class passengers for these flights, because as far as I am aware these aircraft only have business and economy?



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User currently offlineB747-437B From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (9 years 6 months 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 5864 times:

Quoting TheBigOne (Reply 3):
what happens to the first class passengers for these flights

Thats the reason she is operating AI 121 via AMD.  Wink


User currently offlineMrniji From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (9 years 6 months 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 5683 times:

Quoting TheBigOne (Reply 3):
because as far as I am aware these aircraft only have business and economy?

Are you sure? On their webpage, the aircraft layouts show 1st, too? Probably these seats are so old that they can be classified at most as biz

Sean, how long will ESC operate ex-AMD? In summer, I will fly back into India, and I like the idea of flying one if the classics again - they are amazing!  Wink


User currently offlineJacobin777 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 14968 posts, RR: 60
Reply 5, posted (9 years 6 months 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 5635 times:

My dad is arriving LHR (ORD) on Air India in a few hours..I'm going to ask him for a trip report.. Big grin


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User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31684 posts, RR: 56
Reply 6, posted (9 years 6 months 3 days ago) and read 5564 times:

Quoting TheBigOne (Reply 3):
Thanks for the information as always. I was under the impression that AI's B742s did not have TCAS and were therefore not allowed to fly into Europe and the US under the new RVSM legislation.

All Heavy Aircraft in India have TCAS installed.
regds
MEL



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User currently offlineCBPhoto From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 1567 posts, RR: 6
Reply 7, posted (9 years 6 months 3 days ago) and read 5544 times:

Wow....I was under the impression that all AI classics had been retired. looks like I was mistaken. How long will VT-EGC be around in the AI fleet, and also is this the only classic flying in the AI fleet. (besides the 300 series)
Thanks
Long live the classics!!!



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User currently offlineTheBigOne From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2004, 240 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (9 years 6 months 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 5461 times:

Quoting HAWK21M (Reply 7):
All Heavy Aircraft in India have TCAS installed.
regds
MEL

Thanks MEL. I was not aware of that.

Quoting Mrniji (Reply 5):
Are you sure? On their webpage, the aircraft layouts show 1st, too? Probably these seats are so old that they can be classified at most as biz

Mrniji - AI's seat plans on the website are outdated. A few years ago the 742 and 743 fleet seat configurations were changed so that first class was only available on the 744s. To the best of my knowledge, the 742s have business class in Zone A and on the upperdeck, and the 743 has business class only on the upperdeck.



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User currently offlineB747-437B From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (9 years 6 months 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 5365 times:

Quoting CBPhoto (Reply 8):
I was under the impression that all AI classics had been retired

They have been retired from scheduled service since last October. However, VT-EGA and VT-EGC are still airworthy and are periodically used to substitute for other aircraft in the event of maintenance or other unforseen circumstances.

Quoting Mrniji (Reply 5):
how long will EGC operate ex-AMD?

Right now the plan is for her to operate again only on Sunday 24th April. The 744 will return to the route on Friday 6th May.

Quoting TheBigOne (Reply 9):
A few years ago the 742 and 743 fleet seat configurations were changed so that first class was only available on the 744s.

It was more than just a few years ago actually. IIRC, this happened around 1999 which was probably the time that the website seatmaps were last updated.

But anyway, bottom line is that EGC (or maybe EGA) will be back in London on Sunday afternoon operating AI 121 so this may be the last chance some of you guys will have to spot an AI classic at Heathrow.


User currently offlineMrniji From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (9 years 6 months 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 5333 times:

Quoting B747-437B (Reply 10):
Right now the plan is for her to operate again only on Sunday 24th April. The 744 will return to the route on Friday 6th May.

Sean, if that mysterious 74E does not arrive (details please!), could it happen that DEL-LAX-FRA will be operated by 742? That would be awesome!


User currently offlineB747-437B From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (9 years 6 months 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 5329 times:

If anyone cares, the 747 classic is also operating AI 821 to Riyadh today.  Smile

User currently offlineVxg From United States of America, joined May 2004, 102 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (9 years 6 months 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 5207 times:

What about crew currency? Does AI maintain flight crew exclusively for these 2 742's or are the 744 crews cross certified to fly the 742. And doesn't the 742 require a First Officer? Where does the FO come from?

VxG


User currently offlineB747-437B From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (9 years 6 months 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 5160 times:

Quoting Vxg (Reply 13):
Does AI maintain flight crew exclusively for these 2 742's

The 2 remaining B747-237Bs have crew commonality with the B747-337Ms that are still in active service, so there are still crew with currency on the aircraft.


User currently offlineB747-437B From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (9 years 6 months 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 4954 times:

Quoting TheBigOne (Reply 8):
To the best of my knowledge, the 742s have business class in Zone A and on the upperdeck, and the 743 has business class only on the upperdeck.

The 742 has Business Class rows 1-5 ABJK in A-zone and rows 57-60 ABJK on the upperdeck. The 743 has Business Class rows 57-64 ABJK on the upperdeck.


User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31684 posts, RR: 56
Reply 15, posted (9 years 6 months 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 4954 times:

Whatever......The Classics Livery looks better than the -400s.I really don't know why.Probably the Darker red,the Black tipped Radome or maybe the polished under surface.
Seeing the Scrapped B742s at Mumbai AI side is a sad sight.
regds
MEL



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User currently offlineMrniji From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (9 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 4497 times:

People, I swear

I was sitting at JNU (close to DEL a/p) with friends and was talking (and spotting, what the others didn't realize) - and I am 100 % sure that an AI 742 classic landed! Which one was it, how was it routed? It was a gr8 surprise. And although I was not close, and although it was dark: it is a beautiful plane, and the polished underbelly was visible in her own lights and made her the queen of the skies..

I am really sure (no, it was not the overconsumption of vodka Big grin ) - any information on this flight appreciated!


User currently offlineMrniji From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (9 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 4340 times:

By the way, the plane approached DEL around 1015 pm - according the AI DEL arrivals, it can only be the flight from Osaka (via HKG) or Tokyo.. does anyone know whether one of these flights was served by 742 out of schedule?

User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31684 posts, RR: 56
Reply 18, posted (9 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 4319 times:

Quoting Mrniji (Reply 16):
I was sitting at JNU (close to DEL a/p) with friends and was talking

How Aviation Friendly are your Buddies.
Next time Take some Pics,of the Aircraft That is  Smile
regds
MEL



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User currently offlineB747-437B From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (9 years 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 4177 times:

Quoting Mrniji (Reply 16):
I am 100 % sure that an AI 742 classic landed!

VT-EGC operated AI 121 on BOM-AMD-LHR on May 1, so it was parked at Heathrow during the time you describe. I believe that VT-EGA may have been used to pinch hit on AI 308 of April 30 for one of the Combis that went tech. That aircraft returned to Delhi as AI 301 of May 1 which would have been landing in DEL approximately at the hour you described.

Also, if anyone is interested, AI 121 to LHR is currently slated to be operated by the 747 classic on May 6, May 8 and May 13.


User currently offlineAKelley728 From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 2193 posts, RR: 5
Reply 20, posted (9 years 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 4122 times:

Quoting B747-437B (Reply 19):
for one of the Combis that went tech.

Sean - speaking of Combis, do you have the story on what's is going on with the ex-AC 74Ms that AI is getting? Is AI getting all three of the ex-AC aircraft? Or just one?


User currently offlineMrniji From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (9 years 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 4007 times:

Quoting B747-437B (Reply 19):
That aircraft returned to Delhi as AI 301 of May 1 which would have been landing in DEL approximately at the hour you described.

Maybe its kust me, but there is something "romantic" about these classics. .maybe it was coz as I kid I used to travel them quite often. I rremember at FRA, LHR etc, seeing these aircrafts, with the shining polished underbelly, the windows etc made it the beauty of the location. And somehow, the smaller upperdeck reveals some great memories in me, when AI flight attendands carried me up to the pilot through the first class.. I remember these planes serving in the Golden 80s, when air travel was more than reaching B from A.. Its just sad who these really old ladies will be scrapt soon.. hence I was really excited seeing one land, without expecting it. I just wish I could fly one of the two again! Sorry, this is cheezy, but whatsoever..

Quoting HAWK21M (Reply 18):
How Aviation Friendly are your Buddies.

Not at all, so they were confused when I watched up to the sky while they were talking to me and did not knwo what to say when I said: Oh, a classic  bigthumbsup  - my coming out in front of them Big grin


User currently offlineAirIndia From United Arab Emirates, joined Jan 2001, 1644 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (9 years 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 3993 times:

Quoting Mrniji (Reply 16):
100 % sure that an AI 742 classic landed

I remember the sms...  Wink


User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31684 posts, RR: 56
Reply 23, posted (9 years 5 months 3 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 3927 times:

Quoting Mrniji (Reply 21):
And somehow, the smaller upperdeck reveals some great memories in me, when AI flight attendands carried me up to the pilot through the first class..

I used to rag them by pulling the white Attendent call button,thinking Everytime I did that I used to get some goodies.  Smile

Quoting AirIndia (Reply 22):
I remember the sms...

Yeah quite a few sms's.  Smile
Yesterday drove down International to chk on the Kenya B772ER,it had left long ago & last night operated a B763 Instead.
Also noticed,AJANTA,ELLORA & VELAH GOA parked out there.Looked good.
regds
MEL



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User currently offlineB747-437B From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (9 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 3781 times:

In case anyone is interested, AI 121 of May 8 was actually operated by the 743 Combi VT-EPX.

As of right now, the last scheduled classic to visit London will be on Friday, May 13 as AI 121.


25 Mrniji : Sean, is everything going as scheduled with the 74M, or will FRA ve served by the -200 as substitute, should the T7s ve deployed for YYZ soon and the
26 Karan69 : Can someone provide details of how the 747 fleet of AI is rotated, or if it has been discussed please provide me with a link. BTW, i went on friday ni
27 Skyguy : I think the golden era was the 60's and 70's and not the 80's, that was when things started heading downhill.
28 Post contains images Mrniji : Yes, but I didn't live in the 60s and only for 4 months in the 70s, so my memories about these periods go towads 0. AFAIK the last 742 came 1981 or s
29 Lurch : Hi AI are also operating one of there 747-300s in to LHR at the moment makes a real change seeing VT-EPX 747-337M in Heathrow!
30 Post contains images B747-437B : Already noted in reply 24! Alas it appears that will be a one-off event. As noted elsewhere, the last flight by a classic into London *should* be on
31 Thunderbird1 : The classics are great. I'm just worried that the days of the Air-India 747s (all of them) are numbered. If the 747Advanced does come out, I'm crossin
32 Post contains images MrNiji : Careful: Airbus supporters could fry you here, call it corruption and malpractice
33 Post contains images HAWK21M : The current scene by Airbus makes AI & Boeing go long way regds MEL
34 Post contains images MIAMIx707 : funny, because you'll be the first one Any of you saw the new picture of the Air Sahara 737-700 at JNB? I think the scheme looks lovely! ..and yes I
35 Post contains images Mrniji : I think the AI-owned ones as well as the ex-KE ones.. ?? Wasn't there a licensing problem with the SQ-ones? I agree in the sense that the scheme look
36 LO231 : Hmm, I don't know, they seem to cooperate with AI, when I sell AI tickets, we can add domestic flights on S2 as an add-on coupons. Doesn't AI have an
37 Post contains images Mrniji : A friend of mine went AI/S2 FRA-BOM-MAA and had to re-check her luggage at BOM... probably not that great cooperation..
38 HAWK21M : Hmmmm.Me too along with AD. regds MEL
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