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No AC Vents On New Boeing Widebody Aircraft  
User currently offlineBoeingForEver From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 219 posts, RR: 0
Posted (9 years 5 months 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 10152 times:

i know boeing tried to streamline their headliners and overhead storage, and i know they say they perfected cabin comfort in regards to air conditioning, but i really miss the individual vents on boeings widebodies. its unfair that everyone is subject to one climate.

is that an airline decision, or are there no individual vents on any new boeing widebodies??

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User currently offlineAlitalia744 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 4750 posts, RR: 45
Reply 1, posted (9 years 5 months 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 10144 times:

I'm not sure about the 777 but for the 767 I know it's an airline decision.

Delta has individual airvents on their 763s while most airlines dont...



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User currently offlineGigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16347 posts, RR: 85
Reply 2, posted (9 years 5 months 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 10126 times:

Quoting Alitalia744 (Reply 1):
Delta has individual airvents on their 763s while most airlines dont...

I've never been on a 763 that doesn't.

N


User currently offlineCory6188 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 2686 posts, RR: 6
Reply 3, posted (9 years 5 months 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 10114 times:

CO's 762s definitely do not have individual vents above the seats. It's lights only, at least in Y.

User currently offlineAlitalia744 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 4750 posts, RR: 45
Reply 4, posted (9 years 5 months 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 10111 times:

Quoting Gigneil (Reply 2):
I've never been on a 763 that doesn't.

N

I've been on 763's of AA and AZ that don't. Also, search the photographs..

Delta's 777's have indiv. airvents too, I know AZ and AA don't...



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User currently offlineAlitalia744 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 4750 posts, RR: 45
Reply 5, posted (9 years 5 months 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 10099 times:

Quoting Gigneil (Reply 2):
I've never been on a 763 that doesn't.

N



No Airvents there Smile That's AC



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User currently offlineBoeingForEver From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 219 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (9 years 5 months 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 10096 times:

what about boeings 777 and 747

User currently offlineAlitalia744 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 4750 posts, RR: 45
Reply 7, posted (9 years 5 months 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 10077 times:

BoeingForEver -

Most Boeing widebodies depend on the airline...I think they're avail with and w/out individual airvents.

Most 747s I've been on have them...but that may have changed on later models (still haven't been on a 744)...



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User currently offlineBoeingForEver From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 219 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (9 years 5 months 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 10012 times:

exactly my question! newer boeing widebodies dont have the vents..its one climate for all

User currently offlineGlom From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2005, 2818 posts, RR: 10
Reply 9, posted (9 years 5 months 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 10002 times:

Why is it that some airlines don't want them? Are they more maintenance intensive?

I assume that they tap air from the ducts going to the main cabin air vents or the plumbing would become rapidly complicated.


User currently offlineCaptain.MD-11 From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2001, 704 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (9 years 5 months 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 9986 times:

I know when I worked on Britannia's 767 fleet, that individual air vents are not supplied. Instead its universal air conditioning. This always caused problems!


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User currently offlineAA737-823 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 5831 posts, RR: 11
Reply 11, posted (9 years 5 months 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 9953 times:

Actually, it is kind of it's own system. The 767 (the only system I know anything about, admittedly) uses a gasper fan, and associated ducting, which the flight deck crew can activate or deactivate at any time.
SO- reduced MX costs without personal vents.
And really, the PSUs are so high in the cabin, how much good would a gasper be if you're seated in the middle section, anyway? It's four miles above your head!

Also, I don't think I remember USAirways' A330-300s having gasper vents either. I could be mistaken, but I am pretty sure they don't.


User currently offlineBoeingForEver From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 219 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (9 years 5 months 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 9917 times:

Do A340's have individual vents?

User currently offlineTod From Denmark, joined Aug 2004, 1727 posts, RR: 3
Reply 13, posted (9 years 5 months 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 9780 times:

It's purely a customer option.

On 744 it's a stand-alone system that merely recycles air from above the ceiling, just aft of the upperdeck.
777 use a combination of air from above the ceiling and air from the main distribution system.
737/757 use air directly off the main distribution ducting.

Even though I know that the air is not any fresher, I still prefer them a pax and as an engineer I like them because it means more stuff to work on.

Today I am sitting in Santiago and part of my job to assist LAN in designing the removal of their gasper system on the portion of the 763 fleet that has them.


User currently offlineAT502B From South Africa, joined Dec 2004, 347 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (9 years 5 months 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 9648 times:

Flew SA's brand new A346's and A343e's and neither of them have individual air vents. It seems to be the way of the future  Sad


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User currently offlineMexicana757 From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 3043 posts, RR: 28
Reply 15, posted (9 years 5 months 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 9608 times:

I flew NW A330-300 about two weeks and they have individual air vents

User currently offlineAA777223ER From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 220 posts, RR: 2
Reply 16, posted (9 years 5 months 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 9576 times:

AA 777's DO have them, the 767's do not.

Regards,

AA777223ER



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User currently offlineCatatonic From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2004, 1155 posts, RR: 3
Reply 17, posted (9 years 5 months 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 9554 times:

I was on a BA 747 that didnt, it was awful.


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User currently offline764 From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 624 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (9 years 5 months 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 9532 times:

It is a customer decision with Boeing. I have been on these aircraft both with and without vents:

737 (200,300,400,500,700,800)
747 (200,300,400)
767 (200,300)
777 (200)
M11

I have always had them on:

727 (200)
757 (200,300)
L10
D10

And I've never seen them on:

330 (200,300)
340 (200,300,600)

But I am sure that they are available for these too.


User currently offlineRichierich From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 4264 posts, RR: 6
Reply 19, posted (9 years 5 months 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 9523 times:

While we are on the topic, do United's 744s have them?
I'll be on one of those bad boys soon and was just curious.



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User currently offlineGSPSPOT From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 3038 posts, RR: 2
Reply 20, posted (9 years 5 months 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 9437 times:

I've been on KLM 743's that didn't have individual vents.. Uncomfortable!!


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User currently offlineN808NW From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 374 posts, RR: 4
Reply 21, posted (9 years 5 months 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 9420 times:

NW DC-10s dont have air vents either, but their not exactly new aircraft  cheeky 

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User currently offlineDfwRevolution From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 977 posts, RR: 51
Reply 22, posted (9 years 5 months 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 9370 times:

Quoting Alitalia744 (Reply 5):
Quoting Gigneil (Reply 2):
I've never been on a 763 that doesn't.

No Airvents there That's AC

He didn't say that there are no 767s without airvents, just that he has never been on one without  Wink


User currently offlineTod From Denmark, joined Aug 2004, 1727 posts, RR: 3
Reply 23, posted (9 years 5 months 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 9350 times:

Quoting Richierich (Reply 19):
While we are on the topic, do United's 744s have them?

I think so, at least all the ones that they sold to Corsair did.


User currently offlineMilan320 From Canada, joined Jan 2005, 869 posts, RR: 11
Reply 24, posted (9 years 5 months 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 9325 times:

Quoting Alitalia744 (Reply 5):
No Airvents there That's AC

I seem to remember that ACs A330s don't have vents either.
Their A319/320/321 narrow-bodies do.
/milan320



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25 Ha763 : I don't recall ever being on a widebody that had individual vents. I know that all the 767s I've been on with the Signature interior didn't have them-
26 Jet-lagged : My perception is that, over time, these are disappearing. Individual vents mean more parts to repair, less control by the crew, and persons sitting ne
27 KULatICT : i think SQ's A345s don't have them.... i'm pretty sure Air CHina's 767 dont have them cuz someone next to me complaint that it was too hot in the plan
28 United Airline : UA's B 747-400s yes they do have individual vents. Also MH's. I think it's up the airline.
29 Aa777flyer : AA's last 9 767-300's do have them they are N341-N350AA. They have the 777 style interior and individual air vents
30 Access-Air : I flew roundtrip MDW-LAS-MDW on Las vegas based National Airlines and their 757-200 N521NA didnt have gasper vents either and it was the worst air cir
31 AirTran737 : The 717 also uses a gasper fan. It helps a lot to flip it on at night in the summer when you're cleaning the plane.
32 Goodmanr : Last week I flew LH B744 from IAD to FRA and on to GVA, then to VIE back from VIE to IAD I fley OS A332 neither aircraft had air vents
33 PIT757 : I flew LAS to PIT on HP Wednesday night on a A320 and it did not have air vents. The plane was very warm and stuffy. People were complaining. The flig
34 GotAirbus : I'm assuming individual vent control are also a hassle because once all passenger starts closing it -- it becomes time consuming for cleaner personnel
35 Cheeryguy : Don't shoot me down for this as it is just an observation.....on BA 747/767/777 there are no vents fitted. When the cabin gets over warm on the ground
36 Post contains images NWADC9 : NW's 747's and A330's have them. Can't really say anything about the DC-10 though, since I haven't been in or seen the cabin of one for about 6 years
37 CXYYZ : There are no vents on CX aircraft, and that was a surprise to me. MP, OA and (formerly) CP all had them in my experiences.
38 GotAirbus : From my observations, it's always the bigger-sized people that always feels the need to turn the air-conditioning temperature all the way down. Other
39 SA7700 : Totally true. On my first A346 flight it bothered me quite a lot, as it was a hot, sunny day in JNB. However, I have flown on SAA's A343's to JFK and
40 Andz : No vents is nothing new, SAA's SPs didn't have them, and they were delivered in the mid 70s.
41 Jmc757 : Its down to airline preference (probably airline that had it new). I've flown Thomas Cook flights (well jmc as they were) 757s , outbound didnt have,
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