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Tupolev Tu-204 Airshow Video!  
User currently offlineAlberchico From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 2941 posts, RR: 0
Posted (9 years 7 months 1 week 13 hours ago) and read 5210 times:

http://www.flightlevel350.com/mirror...at=132&pic_id=2574&back=1&bottom=1


a tupolev tu-204cargo version doing maneuvers at an airshow


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User currently offlineAlberchico From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 2941 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (9 years 7 months 1 week 12 hours ago) and read 5143 times:

here is a pic of the aircraft model

http://www.al-airliners.be/a/airrep/arp-tu-204.jpg

here is a photo gallery from the tupolev company website

http://www.tupolev.ru/English/Show.asp?SectionID=141



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User currently offlineHjulicher From Liechtenstein, joined Feb 2005, 887 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (9 years 7 months 1 week 12 hours ago) and read 5134 times:

Neat plane, just hope that they don't ship actual cargo that way, it would be demolished before the plane even lands.


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User currently offlineAeroflot777 From Russia, joined Mar 2004, 3012 posts, RR: 26
Reply 3, posted (9 years 7 months 1 week 12 hours ago) and read 5116 times:

It does look amazing!!!! Very elegant when doing the turns.

User currently offlineAlberchico From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 2941 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (9 years 7 months 1 week 11 hours ago) and read 5101 times:

I always wondered the point of these displays.These aircraft won't do anything close like that in real life .Its the performance and economics that sells them . I hope Airbus won't waste their time doing stunts like this with the A380


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User currently offlineStarlionblue From Greenland, joined Feb 2004, 17110 posts, RR: 66
Reply 5, posted (9 years 7 months 1 week 11 hours ago) and read 5091 times:

Quoting Alberchico (Reply 4):
I always wondered the point of these displays.These aircraft won't do anything close like that in real life .Its the performance and economics that sells them . I hope Airbus won't waste their time doing stunts like this with the A380

There is absolutely a point in doing this kind of display. In marketing terms: "Appearance is everything". It's marketing, not reality.



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User currently offlineAlberchico From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 2941 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (9 years 7 months 1 week 10 hours ago) and read 5036 times:

oh come on! who buys aircraft because they can do barrel rolls and steep turns? economics , not asthetics sells the airplane.


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User currently offlineORD777 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 258 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (9 years 7 months 1 week 10 hours ago) and read 5014 times:

The flashy shows increase the indivual consumers' awareness of the aircraft. Even though they don't purchase the aircraft directly, it never hurts to have the public show interest in your plane or even actively want to fly it. For example, many travelers (even those that aren't so plane-obsessed like us) actually do have aircraft preferences and choose thier flights based on the aircraft type. Airlines and Manufacturers realize this and view these shows as opportunities to show off thier product. Also, what's wrong with just a little fun.
By the way, how my orders exist for this plane?

[Edited 2005-04-23 05:51:01]

User currently offlineDfwRevolution From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 997 posts, RR: 51
Reply 8, posted (9 years 7 months 1 week 8 hours ago) and read 4936 times:

Quoting Alberchico (Reply 4):
I hope Airbus won't waste their time doing stunts like this with the A380

Well they did waste their time with the A340, and I don't think too many bystanders complained:


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User currently offlineStarlionblue From Greenland, joined Feb 2004, 17110 posts, RR: 66
Reply 9, posted (9 years 7 months 1 week 1 hour ago) and read 4820 times:

Quoting Alberchico (Reply 6):
oh come on! who buys aircraft because they can do barrel rolls and steep turns? economics , not asthetics sells the airplane

Car ads often show extreme manoeuvers.
Razor ads often show things like hang-gliding.
Deodorant ads sometimes show extreme sports.

Does this have anything to do with your actual usage of the product? Probably not.
Do you buy it because your awareness was increased? In many cases, yes.


Showing off works at the subconscious level, even with airline buyers.



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User currently offlineAeroVodochody From Czech Republic, joined Feb 2005, 540 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (9 years 7 months 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 4709 times:

Quoting Alberchico (Reply 4):
I hope Airbus won't waste their time doing stunts like this with the A380

I hope they do! But only because I really want to see it done with the 380 Big grin



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User currently offlineB727fan From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 315 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (9 years 7 months 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 4665 times:

It is an impressive performance no doubt. Thanks for sharing the video. By any chance, does anyone one have the comparison breakdown between Tu204 and B757? Thanks.

User currently offlineGlidepath73 From Germany, joined Mar 2005, 1021 posts, RR: 44
Reply 12, posted (9 years 7 months 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 4590 times:

Did you guys see, how the elevator is shaking short after the touch down?
I never saw this that strong. I realized it before at the 767, 772/3 and 330 / 340 series. Even on 747's. But never that strong like here on the Tu 204.
Cool video though...



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User currently offlineKeesje From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (9 years 7 months 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 4539 times:

Quoting Glidepath73 (Reply 12):
Did you guys see, how the elevator is shaking short after the touch down?

- it because of the dirty air flowing from the lift dumpers
- unloaded / empty aircraft are less stiff


User currently offlineCalAir From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2005, 298 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (9 years 7 months 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 4493 times:

Wow.What an amazing looking aircraft. Seems much more agile and graceful than the 757(even with winglets!) The engines do seem as though they are a little too large for the airframe, they dont look or sound like RB211's. Are they the PS engines? Why dont western airlines operate this a/c? surely it must be cheaper to buy/lease than the 757?


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User currently offlineGg190 From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2005, 160 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (9 years 7 months 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 4453 times:

Quoting CalAir (Reply 14):
Why dont western airlines operate this a/c? surely it must be cheaper to buy/lease than the 757?

TNT operate a TU-204, am I right in saying it is based in Belgium?? Or have I just made that up!!!!


User currently offlineKcrwFlyer From United States of America, joined May 2004, 3845 posts, RR: 7
Reply 16, posted (9 years 7 months 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 4351 times:

i think it looks sortof like the child of a 757 with winglets and an a321. also it seems to smoke a bit too much for a new plane or is that because of full power tests?

User currently offlineWhiteHatter From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (9 years 7 months 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 4240 times:

Quoting Gg190 (Reply 15):

TNT operate a TU-204, am I right in saying it is based in Belgium?? Or have I just made that up!!!!

They do, it's on lease to them from a third party.

There is some stuff kicking about concerning those aircraft, apparently they are extremely good cargo lifters and economical as well.

It's just a shame the IL-96M and IL-96T program never fully happened with the Pratt and Whitney engines. That was a stunning aircraft.


User currently offline777WT From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 877 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (9 years 7 months 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 4226 times:

Quoting Starlionblue (Reply 9):
Car ads often show extreme manoeuvers.
Razor ads often show things like hang-gliding.
Deodorant ads sometimes show extreme sports.

Does this have anything to do with your actual usage of the product? Probably not.
Do you buy it because your awareness was increased? In many cases, yes.


Showing off works at the subconscious level, even with airline buyers.

A test pilot for the first 707 did a barrel roll in it and amazed the customers on the ground, not the CEO of Boeing at that time.


User currently offlineKeta From Germany, joined Mar 2005, 448 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (9 years 7 months 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 4086 times:

Cool video! Thanks for posting!

Quoting Alberchico (Reply 4):
always wondered the point of these displays.These aircraft won't do anything close like that in real life .Its the performance and economics that sells them

Airlines may not care, but I do! I love to watch a plane doing these maneuvers!

I haven't read a lot about Russian planes, why has the Tu-204 so few orders? It's a very modern airplane, but is its performance that bad compared to the 757 or A321? Happens also with most Russian planes. Why is this?

[Edited 2005-04-24 02:39:27]


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User currently offlineStarlionblue From Greenland, joined Feb 2004, 17110 posts, RR: 66
Reply 20, posted (9 years 7 months 6 days ago) and read 3835 times:

Quoting 777WT (Reply 18):

A test pilot for the first 707 did a barrel roll in it and amazed the customers on the ground, not the CEO of Boeing at that time.

Indeed. Tex Johnston rolled the 367-80. And the customer did buy  Wink



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User currently offlineWhiteHatter From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (9 years 7 months 6 days ago) and read 3827 times:

Quoting Keta (Reply 19):
I haven't read a lot about Russian planes, why has the Tu-204 so few orders? It's a very modern airplane, but is its performance that bad compared to the 757 or A321? Happens also with most Russian planes. Why is this?

That's a whole different debate.

Here are a few factors

1. Prejudice and perception that Russian = unsafe (the word that fits here is "bollocks")
2. Support and spares availability
3. Aftermarket value of the aircraft at resale
4. Operating economics and noise performance of Russian built engines (increasingly no longer a factor)


User currently offlineRICARIZA From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 2393 posts, RR: 26
Reply 22, posted (9 years 7 months 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 3773 times:

Which airlines in America has TU on their fleet? I have only seen some old ones on Cubana.


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User currently offlineHorus From Egypt, joined Feb 2004, 5230 posts, RR: 59
Reply 23, posted (9 years 7 months 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 3708 times:

Quoting Gg190 (Reply 15):
TNT operate a TU-204, am I right in saying it is based in Belgium?? Or have I just made that up!!!!



Quoting WhiteHatter (Reply 17):
They do, it's on lease to them from a third party.

Yes TNT have a leased Tu-204 from Cairo Aviation Cargo. The latter operate both passenger and cargo versions of the aircraft (the owner owns 49% of the Tupolev company).

Cairo Aviation and Cairo Aviation Cargo

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TNT (note the Egyptian registration)

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