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Former NWA Hub/focus Operation At Boston  
User currently offlineCIDflyer From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 2273 posts, RR: 3
Posted (9 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 3892 times:

I did a search on this but did not find anything, but I think back in the early to mid 90's I seem to remember that Northwest had a large focus or some type of hub operation at BOS with a number of Europe flights and also Northwest Airlink commuter flights. Anyone have more details about how large the operation was, and why it was ended? Thanks in advance...

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User currently offlineMauriceB From Netherlands, joined Aug 2004, 2489 posts, RR: 25
Reply 1, posted (9 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 3876 times:

Don't know the answer on most of youre questions, but i can say that NWA is still maintaining a BOS-AMS service with the DC-10, and they are still expanding on the route...

User currently offlineCommavia From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 11461 posts, RR: 61
Reply 2, posted (9 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 3884 times:

As of 1987 (or thereabouts) NW flew nonstop from BOS to GLA, SNN, LGW and FRA, in addition to the obiligatory MSP/MEM/DTW. I seem to recall that at another time (maybe early 90s) they had nonstops to several Scandinavian destinations (ARN, CPH), but I am not sure about those.

I'm pretty sure that the mini-hub was gone by 1994-95 though, probably a victim to transatlantic staging (smaller planes flying on thinner routes and bypassing traditional East Coast gateways) and the build-up of DTW.

Hope it helps.


User currently offlineIsitsafenow From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 4984 posts, RR: 24
Reply 3, posted (9 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 3806 times:

NW jumped in at BOS with flights to Europe a little after Braniff one shut down in the early 80's. BN used Boston as a springboard to Europe before their termination.
safe



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User currently offlineIowa744fan From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 931 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (9 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 3812 times:

IIRC, up into the early 1990s, NW flew from BOS to each of their European gateways, which at the time were: GLA, LGW, CDG, AMS, and FRA. I am nearly certain that I remember them flying D10s on these routes, although something in my mind says maybe an occasional 747 for LGW. However, I am not very certain about the latter one.

As for domestic operations, they of course had the flights to the main hubs at MSP, DTW, and MEM. For a while, NW also operated trans-con flights to/from BOS from LAX and SEA (maybe SFO, but again, not too certain) that connected with their European ops. I believe that they also operated quite a few flights down to DCA for a while when their DCA ops were also larger. Wasn't NW at one point possibly linked to buying one of the two shuttles at some point? I am sorry, but I forget the details. As for commuter operations, they used Business Express (who worked closer to and operated the flights in the colors of Delta) as a local feeder.


User currently offlineFoxBravo From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 2993 posts, RR: 4
Reply 5, posted (9 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 3769 times:

Northwest Airlink feeder services at BOS in the early 90s included Northeast Express, which flew Metros:

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I took one of these from BOS to JFK in December of 1992, right after a big blizzard. Nasty little plane, bumping along in the clouds the whole way. The flight was timed to connect to NW17, the JFK-NRT nonstop...as I recall, most of my fellow passengers were Japanese. I'm not sure which other routes they operated, but I definitely recall that they operated BOS-PHL as well.

Northeast Express later used Dash 8s from BOS to both LGA and JFK:

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Precision, meanwhile, flew Dornier 228s out of BOS, including a short-lived service to FRG:

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I actually had a ticket for this flight at one point, but had to cancel, which I regretted later because (a) there hasn't been any scheduled service at FRG since, and (b) I never did get to fly on a 228!

As Commavia mentioned above, I think all of these Airlink services were discontinued by the mid 90s.



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User currently offlineLuv2fly From United States of America, joined May 2003, 12090 posts, RR: 49
Reply 6, posted (9 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 3746 times:

Also from BOS they had service to BDA for a short period of time. From BOS they also ran flights to several Florida destinations as well.


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User currently offlineIowa744Fan From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 931 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (9 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 3738 times:

Foxbravo,

Thank you. I had that nagging feeling in the back of my head that they operated some commuters painted in the NW colors too, but I could not remember for sure.

Luv2fly,

I completely forgot the 72S service to BDA!


User currently offlineLuv2fly From United States of America, joined May 2003, 12090 posts, RR: 49
Reply 8, posted (9 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 3724 times:

I remember they ran 2 DC10's from DTW to BOS at around 4:00 PM or so to connect to the European destinations that departed from BOS.


You can cut the irony with a knife
User currently offlineBobnwa From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 6449 posts, RR: 9
Reply 9, posted (9 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 3709 times:

In the early 90's, Northwest had the following service out of Boston,
International-LGW,CDG,FRA,GLA,BDA
Domestic-SEA,LAX,SFO,ORD,MSP,DTW,MEM,DCA,MCO,RSW,TPA.

Regional service was operated by Northeast Express, then was replaced by Business Express.

At one point the BOS-DCA service was up to 14 flights a day and Northwest was all set to buy the Trump Shuttle. This did not happen and the shuttle was purchased by USAir.


User currently offlineRob2507 From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 167 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (9 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 3526 times:

BOS now gets the 333 for the AMS flight  thumbsup 

http://www.airliners.net/open.file/779470/M/


User currently offlineIowa744Fan From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 931 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (9 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 3383 times:

Bobnwa,

When did NW start operating the BOS-AMS flight? Did KLM operate it at the beginning of the 1990s? Thanks for giving the confirmation about SFO. I thought that they did, but I couldn't remember for sure. I forgot about the ORD flight. Wasn't this an extension (same flight number, different aircraft) as the ORD-NRT flight? Or am I really imagining things this time? Trump...yep...I knew that they had set up to buy one of them, but I couldn't quite remember for sure. Thanks. Take care.


User currently offlineDoug_Or From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 3402 posts, RR: 3
Reply 12, posted (9 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 3379 times:

Was BOS-SEA the last true NW transcon? Or idid I just pull that from my hindquarters?


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User currently offlineNWA Man From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 1828 posts, RR: 12
Reply 13, posted (9 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 3354 times:

Quoting Doug_Or (Reply 12):
Was BOS-SEA the last true NW transcon? Or idid I just pull that from my hindquarters?

Nope, you're right... BOS-SEA was the last true NW transcon.



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User currently offlineKahala777 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (9 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 3296 times:

Quoting Iowa744Fan (Reply 11):
When did NW start operating the BOS-AMS flight? Did KLM operate it at the beginning of the 1990s?

Northwest Airlines has been operating BOS-AMS for a good 15 years or so. I can remember the fleet of 747's and DC-10's at Logan about 200pm.

KLM operated BWI-AMS, BOS-AMS, ATL-AMS way before the time of the codeshare with Northwest Airlines. If I am not mistaken all of the above destinations were serviced with the 747-200SUD? In addition, wasnt Orlando also a KLM destination until the early 1990's?


Regards - Kahala777


User currently offlineBobnwa From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 6449 posts, RR: 9
Reply 15, posted (9 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 3225 times:

KLM never operated BOS-AMS other than as an aircraft substitution. They did operate MCO-AMS and ATL-AMS before the code share.

The BOS-ORD flight was NW003 which continued on to NRT as an equipment change.


User currently offlineORD From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 1381 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (9 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 3200 times:

Quoting Isitsafenow (Reply 3):
NW jumped in at BOS with flights to Europe a little after Braniff one shut down in the early 80's.

NW's flights from BOS-Europe had nothing to do with Braniff or its shutdown. NW began flying from BOS to Europe right around the same time as Braniff (1979-80). NW mostly flew to the Scandinavian countries, while Braniff flew to Amsterdam, Brussels, Frankfurt and Paris. By the time Braniff shut down in May 1982, NW had already been flying BOS-Europe for two-three years.

[Edited 2005-04-25 16:45:21]

[Edited 2005-04-25 16:46:20]

User currently offlineBurnsie28 From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 7533 posts, RR: 8
Reply 17, posted (9 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 3134 times:

Quoting NWA Man (Reply 13):
Quoting Doug_Or (Reply 12):
Was BOS-SEA the last true NW transcon? Or idid I just pull that from my hindquarters?

Nope, you're right... BOS-SEA was the last true NW transcon.

And they gave it up to Alaska, per gentlemans agreement.



"Some People Just Know How To Fly"- Best slogan ever, RIP NW 1926-2009
User currently offlineIsitsafenow From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 4984 posts, RR: 24
Reply 18, posted (9 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 3100 times:

ORD....I will check into my OAG/timetables when I get home. You could be correct.
thx
safe



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User currently offlineORD From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 1381 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (9 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 3081 times:

Isitsafenow - No problem. I'd be curious to see the exact details of what you find.

User currently offlineIsitsafenow From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 4984 posts, RR: 24
Reply 20, posted (9 years 3 months 1 week 20 hours ago) and read 2922 times:

ORD.....Here's what I found. In January of 84, after BN was shut down, NW had only two departures from BOS, both 747's. One went to Gatwick and the other to Shannon Ireland with a continuing to Glascow.
I checked late 1977 and no NW across the pond. I am looking for a NW 80 schedule in my collection.
I know BN flew BOSTON-Europe in 1980 because my wife and her family flew BN from DTW to BOS and on to Frankfort.
ALSO I thought Pan Am flew out of Boston to Europe BUT I found the first Pan AM-National combined sched and Pan Am did NOT fly international from Boston IN 1980. I know they did in the 60's and part of the 70's.
surprise-surprise.....
safe



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User currently offlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20394 posts, RR: 62
Reply 21, posted (9 years 3 months 1 week 20 hours ago) and read 2907 times:

Quoting Isitsafenow (Reply 20):
ALSO I thought Pan Am flew out of Boston to Europe BUT I found the first Pan AM-National combined sched and Pan Am did NOT fly international from Boston IN 1980. I know they did in the 60's and part of the 70's.

Pan Am had at least these international routes ex-BOS in 1969:

PA052/053 707 MSY(DL)IAD-BOS-ORY
PA056/057 707 DTW-BOS-LHR
PA130/131 727 BOS-BDA
PA134/135 707 BOS-BDA
PA148/149 707 JFK-BOS-LIS-FCO



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User currently offlineBobnwa From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 6449 posts, RR: 9
Reply 22, posted (9 years 3 months 1 week 20 hours ago) and read 2893 times:

The first trans-atlantic flight out of BOS was Feb or March of 1979. Went to PIK.

User currently offlineORD From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 1381 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (9 years 3 months 1 week 19 hours ago) and read 2894 times:

Here is some info I was able to gather:

Northwest was awarded new European service in December 1977. That included flights from nine U.S cities (Seattle, Portland, Los Angeles, Minneapolis, Chicago, Detroit, Washington, New York and Boston) to Glasgow, Denmark, Norway, Sweden, Finland and Iceland.

Obviously all those cities/countries were not served. A newspaper article I have dated June 9, 1980 mentions Northwest at the time flying (there are other transatlantic services not mentioned):

JFK-Shannon, continuing to Prestwick (3x weekly)
BOS-Shannon, continuing to Prestwick (3x weekly)

And a Northwest press release dated February 22, 1980 mentions new passenger transatlantic service begun in early 1979 to Copenhagen, Stockholm and Glasgow.


User currently offlineZrs70 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 3130 posts, RR: 9
Reply 24, posted (9 years 3 months 1 week 19 hours ago) and read 2861 times:

NW used to fly out of Terminal B in BOS. I remember seeing the two 747's squeezed in there for the flights to LGW and SNN. When they announced the new BOS hub in 1985, they moved to Terminal E so they could take advantage of the international terminal.

Mind you, at the time, NW and TW were the two US carriers with transatlantic service from BOS. TWA served LHR and CDG (and seasonally FCO) at the time.

When NW moved to E, they swapped space with Continental, New York Air, and Pan Am.



14 year airliners.net vet! 2000-2013
25 Chrisjake : NW used to fly a DC10 between BOS-CLE sometime in the early 80's i believe. flight 48/49 ran BOS-CLE-MKE / MKE-CLE-BOS. i believe westbound it origina
26 Kkfla737 : Pan Am flew from Boston to Europe from 1974 to 1978. PA flew to several European cities nonstop from Boston. In 1980 Pan Am flew beyond London from o
27 BOSPMV : How come the hub broke up in BOS? Why does KL not fly thier own metal into BOS?
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