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EVA Air To Restart TPE-HNL Service  
User currently offlineAlexchao From United States of America, joined Aug 2001, 688 posts, RR: 0
Posted (9 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 5208 times:

Beginning June 25, 2005, EVA Air will restart its non-stop Taipei - Honolulu route with thrice weekly service. I'm assuming these flights will also be codeshared with American and possibly Continental.

Flight Information:

EVA Airways BR 22
Operates: Tuesday, Thursday, Saturday
Leaves TPE - 7:10 PM
Arrives HNL - 11:15 AM
Aircraft: A330-200

EVA Airways BR 21
Operates: Tuesday, Thursday, Saturday
Leaves TPE - 12:25 PM
Arrives HNL - 4:55 PM (+1)
Aircraft: A330-200

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User currently offlineClickhappy From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 9636 posts, RR: 68
Reply 1, posted (9 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 5144 times:
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nice to see a A332 going to HNL. Who else flys the A330 into Hawaii?

User currently offlineLrgt From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 710 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (9 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 5115 times:

Skyservice on occasion....HNL is one of the few airports where any Airbus is a rare sight!


Don't bring up the NW DC9's unless you have to!
User currently offlineCopaair737 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (9 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 5082 times:

This is great for HNL and the HNL spotters. I'm moving out there next fall, so this gives me a great opportunity to spot an A330. Doesn't CI fly to HNL as well?

-Copa


User currently offlineKL911 From Czech Republic, joined Jul 2003, 5147 posts, RR: 15
Reply 4, posted (9 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 5059 times:

hmmm, both flight are TPE-HNL? How about the return flights?

User currently offlineEchster From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 399 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (9 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 5048 times:

Just a mis-type. BR21 is HNL-TPE.

Any official notice of BR exercising 8 options on the 773 and 2 on the 332? Also saw BR wants to add 330 freighters. Any word on these?


User currently offlineAlexchao From United States of America, joined Aug 2001, 688 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (9 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 5007 times:

Quoting KL911 (Reply 4):
hmmm, both flight are TPE-HNL? How about the return flights?

Sorry. Like Echster mentioned, BR 21 is HNL-TPE.

I believe EVA has already exercised their option for an additonal 8 773ERs. They have a total of 12 on order.
http://www.evaair.com/html/b2c/engli...Agrees+to+Purchase+Eight+B777s.htm

As for the A332, I think they exercised one option in late 2004 for a total of 11 aircraft ordered.
http://www.evaair.com/html/b2c/engli...Delivery+of+Sixth+new+A330-200.htm


User currently offlineBluewave 707 From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 3152 posts, RR: 6
Reply 7, posted (9 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 4995 times:

That's great news to hear! BR used 762s on their 1st venture to HNL

On a scheduled basis, there are no other A330s to HNL. The last one was Canada 3000.



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User currently offlineHa763 From United States of America, joined Jan 2003, 3661 posts, RR: 5
Reply 8, posted (9 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 4948 times:
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Although it is nice to see EVA back in HNL, I wonder if the service will last? They used 767s back in the 1990's and couldn't make it work. Now they are going to use a larger aircraft, the A332.

I'm also wondering about the pax demand for the route. CI only has 2 weekly non-stop flights TPE-HNL using the A343. The other 5 days, they route a 744 through NRT and I believe that can pick up pax on NRT-HNL.


User currently offlineCarpethead From Japan, joined Aug 2004, 2961 posts, RR: 3
Reply 9, posted (9 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 4898 times:

BR's 762s are non-ERs so unless it was a delivery flight, they probably can't do TPE-HNL.

Indeed, CI can pick-up pax on the NRT-HNL run. CI has 5th freedom on five weekly frequencies to the US from Japan. Before the advent of 744s & MD-11s (which later they disposed of), had to route Taiwan-US through Japan because of aircraft range issues.


User currently offlineN77014 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (9 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 4893 times:

Good news. The only other A330 service I believe was the occassional PR 101 equipment substitution.

I wonder if the upturn in HNL tourism is now starting to reach Taiwan, or are taiwanese investors looking for another market to invest in?


User currently offline727EMflyer From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 547 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (9 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 4884 times:

This is great news for Hawaii! Does EVA fly to mainland China from Taiwan? The state has been courting chinese tourists and business for some time now, but there isn't much in the way of air connections. You could connect to JL, NH, NW, or UA in Japan, or in Taipei on CI, but the japanese market keeps most of those options pretty full! (IIRC CI already has a flight with a stop in Haneda).

User currently offlineAlexchao From United States of America, joined Aug 2001, 688 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (9 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 4869 times:

Quoting Bluewave 707 (Reply 7):
That's great news to hear! BR used 762s on their 1st venture to HNL

BR originally used 763ERs to HNL.

Quoting Ha763 (Reply 8):
I'm also wondering about the pax demand for the route. CI only has 2 weekly non-stop flights TPE-HNL using the A343.

I think demand has been picking up. CI is increasing its non-stop flight to thrice weekly. I think there can also be a decent amount of connecting traffic for passengers in other Southeast Asian nations.

Quoting 727EMflyer (Reply 11):
Does EVA fly to mainland China from Taiwan?

Unfortunately, no. There are no direct flights between Taiwan and China.


User currently offlineNorthwest 777 From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 224 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (9 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 4869 times:

Quoting Carpethead (Reply 9):
Indeed, CI can pick-up pax on the NRT-HNL run. CI has 5th freedom on five weekly frequencies to the US from Japan. Before the advent of 744s & MD-11s (which later they disposed of), had to route Taiwan-US through Japan because of aircraft range issues.

So does this mean that they have 5th freedom rights on any flights out of Japan or are there certain stipulations? Basically, as long as they have slots, they can fly whereever they want to and pick up passengers locally? So if they wanted to use some of their slots to fly to JFK (assuming they had rights at JFK, of course) they could do so with full rights or are there certain routes or destinations that are exluded from this agreement?

I guess I ask because there are already 2 very large foriegn carriers with full rights out of Japan (NW and UA) to many different destinations, including very lucrative ones like JFK, LAX, ORD, SIN, BKK, HKG, and the list goes on. I'm just surprised (and I know that SQ has rights out of NRT as well to other outside international destinations) that the government has allowed so many big, competitive carriers to take so much business away from their own national airlines. Its great for these other companies though. NW for example has an absolute cash-cow in their NRT hub. It's by far their most profitable international operation. Sorry to go so far off-topic but if you guys have some thoughts on this, I'd love to hear them

Oh yes, TPE-HNL, yes yes, fun in the sun. Great. Good talk guys!


User currently offlineIowa744fan From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 931 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (9 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 4859 times:

Quoting Clickhappy (Reply 1):
nice to see a A332 going to HNL. Who else flys the A330 into Hawaii?

What is the current aircraft used by AC on the YVR-SYD run? I remember seeing an A330 of AC out there last Nov. when I was in HNL. I thought that I read on other posts that this is now the 340 and it only stops in HNL going southbound...not sure though.


User currently offlineN77014 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (9 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 4861 times:

QUOTE:This is great news for Hawaii! Does EVA fly to mainland China from Taiwan? The state has been courting chinese tourists and business for some time now, but there isn't much in the way of air connections. You could connect to JL, NH, NW, or UA in Japan, or in Taipei on CI, but the japanese market keeps most of those options pretty full! (IIRC CI already has a flight with a stop in Haneda).




BR does not serve mainland China; however they do have a good route network to other parts of Asia. Now HNL travelers have another choice to SGN, BKK, MNL, etc.


User currently offlineFlyboyOz From Australia, joined Nov 2000, 1986 posts, RR: 25
Reply 16, posted (9 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 4790 times:

Yes Iowa744fan is right...Canada 3000 and Air Canada used A330s and A340s respectively to fly from Canada to Australia via Honolulu but they always arrived at HNL at night so that no one in HNL can them and it was too late in the airport.

[Edited 2005-04-25 07:12:51]


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User currently offlineHa763 From United States of America, joined Jan 2003, 3661 posts, RR: 5
Reply 17, posted (9 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 4791 times:
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Quoting Iowa744fan (Reply 14):
What is the current aircraft used by AC on the YVR-SYD run? I remember seeing an A330 of AC out there last Nov. when I was in HNL. I thought that I read on other posts that this is now the 340 and it only stops in HNL going southbound...not sure though.

767-300 with a stop in HNL both ways. The A340 was only during winter months. The AC A330 was an extra section flight.


User currently offlineCarfield From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 1926 posts, RR: 9
Reply 18, posted (9 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 4771 times:

I am so happy to hear that Airbus A330-200 will make it to Honolulu. Surprisingly, it will mark the first US destination to receive the Premium Laurel class and the updated economy class cabin with AVOD on the whole a/c. Sadly there is no Economy Deluxe Class (but HNL is a tourist destination).

But I have to say BR's schedule makes more sense especially compared to CI's 8am departure for its nonstop flight back to TPE. A noon departure time is more suitable.

I think Airbus A330-200 will make a better chance to make it especially with improved cargo capacity. I wish BR best of luck... I only wish that AA can codeshare with BR.

About NRT-HNL, AA is desperate to get slots to launch its own HNL-NRT flights, but with the situation about slots at NRT, I doubt that will happen soon. I am sure BR will like to route a couple flights through NRT, but that is not going to happen. (not to mention some additional capacity for the TPE-NRT run).

Thanks Alex for the news!
Carfield


User currently offlineN77014 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (9 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 4750 times:

Would BR consider same-plane HNL-TPE-MNL service on this route?

User currently offlineAlexchao From United States of America, joined Aug 2001, 688 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (9 years 5 months 1 week 5 days ago) and read 4718 times:

Quoting Carfield (Reply 18):
But I have to say BR's schedule makes more sense especially compared to CI's 8am departure for its nonstop flight back to TPE. A noon departure time is more suitable.

I think Airbus A330-200 will make a better chance to make it especially with improved cargo capacity. I wish BR best of luck... I only wish that AA can codeshare with BR.

I agree that BR's noon departure is better than CI's early morning departure since I could get an extra couple hours of sleep. However, I prefer CI's early morning arrival into HNL because I would want to get my vacation started ASAP.

I still believe that AA and possibly CO will codeshare on this route. It probably hasn't been loaded into the system yet?


User currently offlineN77014 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (9 years 5 months 1 week 5 days ago) and read 4706 times:

QUOTE:I still believe that AA and possibly CO will codeshare on this route. It probably hasn't been loaded into the system yet?



Why would CO?

CO 0001 HNLGUM 1400 1730 +1 767 0 0730
CO 0921 GUMTPE 1930 2135 0 738 0 0405* ops 1,3,6


User currently offlineAlexchao From United States of America, joined Aug 2001, 688 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (9 years 5 months 1 week 5 days ago) and read 4702 times:

Quoting N77014 (Reply 21):
Why would CO?

Back in the day when EVA Air flew into HNL, Continental codeshared on the flight. Here's a segment of a Continental press release from March 27, 1998.

http://www.continental.com/company/news/1998-03-27-01.asp

Continental Airlines and EVA Air Launching Codeshare Flights on Monday

HOUSTON, March 27, 1998 -- Continental Airlines (NYSE: CAI.B and CAI.A.) and Taiwan-based EVA Air will make traveling between the U.S. and Asia faster and more convenient starting Monday, March 30, when the two global carriers link flight schedules for the first time.

[...]

The agreement allows both carriers to sell seats on each other's flights connecting on the West Coast and Hawaii. Continental will sell seats on EVA flights connecting in Los Angeles, San Francisco, Seattle, Newark and Honolulu to Taipei, Taiwan. EVA will do the same on Continental's flights connecting throughout the U.S.

[...]


User currently offlineCarpethead From Japan, joined Aug 2004, 2961 posts, RR: 3
Reply 23, posted (9 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 4692 times:

Northwest 777,
CI can fly Japan-US but the limit is 5 weekly frequencies. I believe it was previously used for NRT-LAX or NRT-SFO. With only 5 weekly frequencies, CI shifted it to HNL since the 1990s.

In this day of age, Japan awarding fifth freedom frequencies to other carriers will be like pulling teeth. NW & UA are constantly skirting these issues, but a law is a law no matter how dated it may be. If Japan pulled the plug on these rights, US will comeback with stiff response and that's not something both sides want.


User currently offlineN77014 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (9 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 4693 times:

QUOTE:Back in the day when EVA Air flew into HNL, Continental codeshared on the flight. Here's a segment of a Continental press release from March 27, 1998.



True. And CO still does valuable business interlining pax from SGN-TPE-LAX-IAH. You only have to catch a late evening LAX departure to IAH to see what I mean.

However, the HNL portion lost value when BR first pulled out. And CO would be wise to keep that on its own metal.


25 Je89_w : Nice to see another Airbus operator into HNL, and to see BR back after a number of years! Air Transat also operated the A330-200 into HNL, but pulled
26 Chiawei : BR must be doing well on N.A route. They also increased flight into SFO. There will one more BR27 flight (now 2/4/5/7) They are also operating one ext
27 GuyBetsy1 : Why the BR flights failed in the late 90's was mainly due to the asian economic crisis. But now things have changed and people have the money to trave
28 Alexchao : Interesting. I do think BR 1005 is not a normal scheduled flight because I cannot find it in their timetable. Could you shed more information on that
29 N77014 : The only "asian" I saw last night @ SFO was CX to HKG, around 0015 lcl.
30 Trex8 : until ?99 CI had to fly through Haneda due to the crazy restrictions Beijing imposed on Tokyo which also gave birth to Japan Asia!
31 Alexchao : In regards to flight BR 1006 and BR 1005 from TPE-SFO-TPE, I have found more information: Flights begin June 20, 2005 BR 1006 Operates Monday: Leaves
32 N77014 : So is BR's traffic from LAX/SFO mostly O/D, or are they transiting many passengers onward?
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