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BOS/JFK/EWR/PHL To Bermuda  
User currently offlineLrgt From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 710 posts, RR: 0
Posted (9 years 3 months 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 3033 times:

To which of these cities is the O&D market to Bermuda the best?

I know BOS, EWR, and PHL each have 2 daily round-trips:
BOS: 1 on DL B738, 1 on US A319
JFK: ??? (AA I beleive flies this)
EWR: 2 on CO B73G
PHL: 2 on US (a/c varies)

I know that US PHL-BDA is their shortest 767 flight and they are the only wide-body from the USA to Bermuda, but some of that may be connecting traffic, so I am not so sure if PHL is REALLY the best O&D market for Bermuda.

ALSO....why are the fares so damn expensive? !!! ($600+ always)

It is interesting, but I beleive Bermuda is actually closest to BOS!


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User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32602 posts, RR: 72
Reply 1, posted (9 years 3 months 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 3015 times:

New York City is the largest O&D market from Bermuda, no doubt.

Quoting Lrgt (Thread starter):

I know that US PHL-BDA is their shortest 767 flight and they are the only wide-body from the USA to Bermuda,

AA flies JFK-BDA twice daily, and one flight is a with a 767-200.

Quoting Lrgt (Thread starter):

ALSO....why are the fares so damn expensive? !!! ($600+ always)

It is a high yielding market.



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User currently offlineIluv747400 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 371 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (9 years 3 months 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 2857 times:

Quoting Lrgt (Thread starter):
It is interesting, but I beleive Bermuda is actually closest to BOS!

According to the Great Circle Mapper, JFK is actually the closest of these cities.

JFK-BDA: 762 mi
BOS-BDA: 772 mi
EWR-BDA: 779 mi
PHL-BDA: 785 mi


User currently offlineSTLGph From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 9298 posts, RR: 25
Reply 3, posted (9 years 3 months 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 2821 times:

Quoting Lrgt (Thread starter):
why are the fares so damn expensive? !!! ($600+ always)

For one, Bermuda is a country with a very high cost of living. I've gone there several times on vacation and I believe, and correct me if I'm wrong, the number of flights there are generally restricted by the government so the island does not become overrun with tourists. Usually if you're visiting there it is best to get a vacation package deal.

[Edited 2005-04-25 06:58:17]


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User currently offlineAC787 From Canada, joined Mar 2005, 337 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (9 years 3 months 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 2815 times:

The flights to Bermuda from Canada can usually be found at a good price. I've been able to get tickets, generally, for under 500$... and thats Canadian currency. Although at some peak seasons those good prices are scarce.

AC787


User currently offlineBAW716 From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 2027 posts, RR: 27
Reply 5, posted (9 years 3 months 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 2793 times:

Fares to Bermuda are high due to the relative few flights in and out on a daily basis.

This may change somewhat with the entrance of JetBlue in May; although what I have found with JetBlue is that they open with low fares, but their fares can be as high as anyone else's on those routes; all they have to do is charge the going rate - $30 to $40 and their planes are jammed. Since they only send one plane, it really doesnt affect the market that much.

In addition, those that go to Bermuda have the money to afford it. Bermuda is a beautiful place, but it is not cheap. This is part of the reason that relatively few people go to Bermuda...few can afford it; hence the high fares.

baw716



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User currently offlineSHUPirate1 From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 3670 posts, RR: 17
Reply 6, posted (9 years 3 months 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 2790 times:

BAW-Have I gone completely mad? I haven't heard a thing about jetBlue starting service to Bermuda.

BTW, during the summer, US Airways also flies daily LaGuardia-Bermuda.



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User currently offlineFA4B6 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (9 years 3 months 2 days ago) and read 2772 times:

Quoting BAW716 (Reply 5):
This may change somewhat with the entrance of JetBlue in May; although what I have found with JetBlue is that they open with low fares, but their fares can be as high as anyone else's on those routes

Since when were we starting service to BDA in May??


User currently offlineSebwhite From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (9 years 3 months 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 2745 times:

Don't forget all the other flights!

Air Canada (Halifax, Toronto)
American Airlines (Miami, New York JFK)
British Airways (London Gatwick)
Continental Airlines (Newark)
Delta Air Lines (Atlanta, Boston)
Northwest Airlines (Detroit)
US Airways (Boston, Charlotte, Fort Lauderdale, New York LaGuardia, Orlando, Philadelphia, Washington National)
USA 3000 (Baltimore/Washington, Newark)

United Airlines (seasonal service to Chicago O'Hare -- did this disappear?)


User currently offlineMQrampBOS From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 107 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (9 years 3 months 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 2702 times:

B6 to BDA!? I'd love to see that. Maybe a BOS-BDA run.

Something tells me this post is going to heat up stirthepot 



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User currently offlineUsairways85 From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 3382 posts, RR: 7
Reply 10, posted (9 years 3 months 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 2694 times:

USA3000 will be starting PHL-BDA sometime this summer

User currently offlineA330323X From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 3039 posts, RR: 44
Reply 11, posted (9 years 3 months 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 2682 times:

I know that US PHL-BDA is their shortest 767 flight

PHL-CLT, PIT-PHL, CLT-PIT, CLT-MCO all operate regularly and are all shorter. As an aside, expect to see the 767 flying one of the CLT-LAS trips this summer.

US Airways (Boston, Charlotte, Fort Lauderdale, New York LaGuardia, Orlando, Philadelphia, Washington National)

US did not resume its FLL-BDA service (nor its BWI-BDA service) this summer. US will offer 43 weekly departures to BDA from 6 U.S. gateways this summer.



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User currently offlineUsairways85 From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 3382 posts, RR: 7
Reply 12, posted (9 years 3 months 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 2632 times:

Will there be many 762's available for domestic service in the summer with PHL-Venice and Barcelona starting?

User currently offlineA330323X From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 3039 posts, RR: 44
Reply 13, posted (9 years 3 months 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 2627 times:

Will there be many 762's available for domestic service in the summer with PHL-Venice and Barcelona starting?

No. US has 10 of them, and will be flying PHL-AMS/MUC/FRA/DUB/SNN/GLA/BCN/VCE with 8 of them. One spare will fly PHL-CLT-LAS-CLT-CUN-CLT-PHL (with the LAS-CLT a redeye), and the other spare will fly PHL-BDA-PHL. The A330 spare will fly PHL-SJU-PHL, as always.



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User currently offlineLrgt From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 710 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (9 years 3 months 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 2543 times:

I am also shocked to find that there is no service from BDA to ORD (or MDW)!

I am surprised that neither AA or UA do this! I guess most of the CHI-BDA traffic goes through PHL?



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User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32602 posts, RR: 72
Reply 15, posted (9 years 3 months 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 2529 times:

Quoting Lrgt (Reply 14):
I am also shocked to find that there is no service from BDA to ORD (or MDW)!

I am surprised that neither AA or UA do this! I guess most of the CHI-BDA traffic goes through PHL?

United Airlines operated ORD-BDA last year. The route performed miserably. Bermuda also acts as an "east coast" destination, and, more specificlly, a Northeastern's destination. The biggest gap in Bermuda's route network had always been Miami, though AA fixed that this past March.

[Edited 2005-04-25 20:10:46]


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User currently offlineBoeing757/767 From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 2282 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (9 years 3 months 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 2523 times:

Quoting Lrgt (Reply 14):
I am also shocked to find that there is no service from BDA to ORD (or MDW)!

I believe BDA is mostly popular with the East Coast. Few from the Midwest or points west think of BDA. That's why NW is only doing BDA from DTW on weekends only for the season.



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User currently offlineLrgt From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 710 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (9 years 3 months 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 2503 times:

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 15):
United Airlines operated ORD-BDA last year. The route performed miserably.

How bad was it? How do you know?



Don't bring up the NW DC9's unless you have to!
User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32602 posts, RR: 72
Reply 18, posted (9 years 3 months 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 2477 times:

Quoting Lrgt (Reply 17):
How bad was it? How do you know?

Horrendous. Since the flight was subsidized by the Bermudan government, its losses were well publicized in Bermudan media.



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User currently offlineCorey07850 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 2525 posts, RR: 5
Reply 19, posted (9 years 3 months 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 2464 times:

Quoting Lrgt (Thread starter):
BOS/JFK/EWR/PHL To Bermuda

Best advice? Take a cruise!


User currently offlineUsair320 From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 991 posts, RR: 2
Reply 20, posted (9 years 3 months 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 2426 times:

Im going to translate the PHL-BDA to nautical miles which is 612 nm

User currently offlineLrgt From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 710 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (9 years 3 months 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 2378 times:

Quoting STLGph (Reply 3):
the number of flights there are generally restricted by the government so the island does not become overrun with tourists

If that is true, why did the government subsidize UA with BDA-ORD?

By the way...what kind of equipment did UA use, 737-500, 727, BAE146? What were loads like 20%???!!!



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User currently offlineSebwhite From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (9 years 3 months 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 2361 times:

UA used A320 or A319

User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32602 posts, RR: 72
Reply 23, posted (9 years 3 months 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 2361 times:

Quoting Lrgt (Reply 21):
Quoting STLGph (Reply 3):
the number of flights there are generally restricted by the government so the island does not become overrun with tourists

If that is true, why did the government subsidize UA with BDA-ORD?

It is not true. The government strongly encourages new air links, and subsidizes most of them.

Quoting Lrgt (Reply 21):
By the way...what kind of equipment did UA use, 737-500, 727, BAE146? What were loads like 20%???!!!

BAe146? Are you kidding? It was an A320 on Saturdays. Loads were horrendous, I heard high-40s.



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User currently offlineLrgt From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 710 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (9 years 3 months 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 2316 times:

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 23):
Loads were horrendous, I heard high-40s.

When the fares are no less than $600 r/t...wouldn't that still be profitable? They could just downgrade the equipment too to improve those figures.

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 23):
BAe146? Are you kidding?

That would seem like the perfect smaller airplane...what's wrong? Doesn't it have the range (plus 4 engines)?



Don't bring up the NW DC9's unless you have to!
User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32602 posts, RR: 72
Reply 25, posted (9 years 3 months 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 2320 times:

Quoting Lrgt (Reply 24):
When the fares are no less than $600 r/t...wouldn't that still be profitable? They could just downgrade the equipment too to improve those figures.

They had to dump the fares to fill seats.

Quoting Lrgt (Reply 24):
That would seem like the perfect smaller airplane...what's wrong? Doesn't it have the range (plus 4 engines)?

Well, United doesn't fly any of them (their regional partners do), and it is a short-range regional jet.



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