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United Short On Long Haul A/C? New Haul Orders?  
User currently offlineUA777222 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 3348 posts, RR: 11
Posted (9 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 3821 times:

Seeing how United has axed a lot of their 744 and 777 fleet and there are increasing long haul routes is United starving for long haul a/c?

Thanks,

Matt

(Sorry if vague but it's a simple question running in my mind)


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User currently offlineNorthwest 777 From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 224 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (9 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 3788 times:

If they need aircraft for new flights, I'm pretty sure they have plenty widebodies out in the desert.

User currently offline777STL From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 3656 posts, RR: 3
Reply 2, posted (9 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 3785 times:

United has only gotten rid of seven T7s and a dozen or so 744s, hardly "a lot of their 777 and 747 fleet".

United still has 53 T7s, 31 744s and they still have 38 767s. I'll ignore the 757s because United keeps those mostly on domestic routes. I'm going to forgo playing armchair CEO and say if United needed those T7s and 744s, then they would have kept them. Obviously they didn't need them because they got rid of them.



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User currently offlineFA4UA From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 812 posts, RR: 20
Reply 3, posted (9 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 3632 times:

I would expect some sort of announcement upon our emergence from Chapter 11 regarding new aircraft orders and expansion. It's expected that we'll have some nice announcements regarding both once all our ducks are in a row. There's buzzing on the jumpseats about it already though nothing confirmed.

FA4UA



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User currently offlineUAXDXer From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 765 posts, RR: 3
Reply 4, posted (9 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 3564 times:

Quoting FA4UA (Reply 3):
I would expect some sort of announcement upon our emergence from Chapter 11

The announcement will read as follows: "UAL asks bankruptcy judge for 6 MORE months.... again"



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User currently offlineUnited Airline From Hong Kong, joined Jan 2001, 9181 posts, RR: 15
Reply 5, posted (9 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 3503 times:

UA will probably order some B 747 Advanced, B 787s, B 777-200ERs, A 319-320s etc when they are ready to grow again.

But they must first install PTVs on every single seat, new first class suites, new business class flatbeds etc once they get out of chapter 11.


User currently offlineNZ1 From New Zealand, joined May 2004, 2268 posts, RR: 25
Reply 6, posted (9 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 3447 times:
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Quoting FA4UA (Reply 3):
I would expect some sort of announcement upon our emergence from Chapter 11

LOL, IF and IF they get out of chapter 11. I thought there was more chance of them going tits up as opposed to coming out of bankruptcy. Just my opinion.

NZ1


User currently offlineAmerican 767 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 3827 posts, RR: 12
Reply 7, posted (9 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 3412 times:
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Quoting 777STL (Reply 2):
they still have 38 767s

Has United completely retired the 767-200? I thought they did but when I look at the current fleet in united.com, the 767-200 is still mentioned as an aircraft in the current fleet. Logically if the last 200 is already phased out, it should be classified in the past aircraft section. My understanding is that United still has one or two 200's.

Ben Soriano
Brussels Belgium



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User currently offlineKaran69 From India, joined Oct 2004, 2891 posts, RR: 18
Reply 8, posted (9 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 3395 times:

Quoting United Airline (Reply 5):
But they must first install PTVs on every single seat, new first class suites, new business class flatbeds etc once they get out of chapter 11.

Very true, i cant help but feel sorry for those pax who travel 16+ hrs non-stop on ORD-HKG in economy class[744] without any IFE......very boring


User currently offlineUnited_Fan From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 7496 posts, RR: 7
Reply 9, posted (9 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 3295 times:

The 767-200 is gone from the active fleet . UA recently cancelled thier remaining 777 on order .


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User currently offlineDeltaWings From Switzerland, joined Aug 2004, 1294 posts, RR: 17
Reply 10, posted (9 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 3280 times:

Quoting United Airline (Reply 5):
A 319-320s

Hu? The A319-300? Have I missed something there?


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User currently offlineB6FA4ever From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 816 posts, RR: 11
Reply 11, posted (9 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 3176 times:

DeltaWings,

he probably means ordering more A319s and/or A320's...not a new version of the A319... bigthumbsup 

~B6FA4ever  wave 


User currently offline777STL From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 3656 posts, RR: 3
Reply 12, posted (9 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 3104 times:

Quoting American 767 (Reply 7):
Has United completely retired the 767-200? I thought they did but when I look at the current fleet in united.com, the 767-200 is still mentioned as an aircraft in the current fleet. Logically if the last 200 is already phased out, it should be classified in the past aircraft section. My understanding is that United still has one or two 200's.


They're all gone as of like a month ago. I should have specified 763s.



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User currently offlinePANAM_DC10 From Australia, joined Aug 2000, 4165 posts, RR: 90
Reply 13, posted (9 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 3084 times:
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They just cancelled the last B777-222ER they had on order. For the first time in a long time UA have no airplanes on order with Boeing. Until they clear CH11 I think it'll be quite a while before we see a Long Haul order from UA.

Regards



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User currently offlineUnited Airline From Hong Kong, joined Jan 2001, 9181 posts, RR: 15
Reply 14, posted (9 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 2975 times:

Sorry I mean A 319 and A 320

User currently offlineORD777 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 258 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (9 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 2943 times:

I've heard some rumors that once they're out of bankruptcy they'll be looking at the 777-300 and 787. Again, just a rumor but it did come from UA employees. I hope it's true.

User currently offlineUA777222 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 3348 posts, RR: 11
Reply 16, posted (9 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 2860 times:

I hear, both from a family member in the company and a person close with the company that the pilots all hate the airbus'. Not trying to start an A vs. B but it seems that from the pilots and admin's at United that Airbus doesn't fit their needs. Now when I heard this I took two steps back seeing as United is one of Airbus' largest customers. I can't see them going with the 773 NON-ER. United has shown that what a/c they don't throw in the desert/sell that they will use until they drive them into the ground. I can see the non-er 772's going into all domestic service, if they haven't already, and new long haul a/c coming into the airline. Be it the 787 or 773, In my opinion United needs to think fast.

Thank you all for your responces,

Matt



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User currently offlineIncitatus From Brazil, joined Feb 2005, 4020 posts, RR: 13
Reply 17, posted (9 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 2645 times:

Quoting FA4UA (Reply 3):
I would expect some sort of announcement upon our emergence from Chapter 11 regarding new aircraft orders and expansion.

I'd expect an annoucement upon UA's emergence of Ch11 that the company would look carefully at any opportunities to expand without incurring fleet additions. Also that the operation would be simplified by retiring a couple of equipment types. Also rolling out TED to all domestic flights except a few trunk routes. Also that cost reductions would be implemented in areas other than salaries/pensions. I would not expect an announcement that UA would go on a plane shopping trip and mindless expansion though. End of Ch11 at UA won't mean returning to business as it was, otherwise it will be back to the court.



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User currently offlineUnited Airline From Hong Kong, joined Jan 2001, 9181 posts, RR: 15
Reply 18, posted (9 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 2450 times:

I don't think TED will replace all UA's domestic services. I am sure most of UA's domestic services will remain full service. Afterall it is a full service airline.

They should first upgrade their B 747-400s with new first suites, new business class flatbeds as well as PTVs on every single seat.

I guess they will look at the B 787 and the B 747 Advanced. Maybe the B 777-200LR as well.


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