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DL 767-200 Sold?  
User currently offlineDALMD88 From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 2507 posts, RR: 14
Posted (9 years 3 hours ago) and read 5467 times:

Heard they found a buyer for the 767-200 fleet. Nobody at work had any details. My guess it is a cargo deal similar to the 727 deal we did a few years back. We were told a few days ago the 767-200 fleet as well as the 737-300G were going to be gone in the next year or two. Our manager also said they are trying to unload the MD-90s but no buyers can be found.

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User currently offlineSspontak From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 475 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (9 years 3 hours ago) and read 5418 times:

Where will the "Spirit of Delta" employee purchased 762 end up? In the ATL museum?


Go Delta!
User currently offlineWhiteHatter From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (9 years 2 hours ago) and read 5356 times:

Quoting Sspontak (Reply 1):
Where will the "Spirit of Delta" employee purchased 762 end up? In the ATL museum?

Won't there be some space for it in that nice new museum Boeing have planned up in Seattle? It'd fit right in next to the Concorde, 741 and 721. Assuming DL don't have something planned for it themselves.


User currently offline777STL From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 3384 posts, RR: 3
Reply 3, posted (9 years 2 hours ago) and read 5274 times:

I believe DL employees here have said they'll keep it in that hangar.


PHX based
User currently offlinePW2040 From Denmark, joined Nov 2004, 59 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (9 years 1 hour ago) and read 5165 times:

Hi DALMD88.

If you figure out more about those B767-200 , where they are going etc.

How many do Delta have and what powerplants do they have.

Greetings,
PW2040


User currently offlineDAL767400ER From Germany, joined Feb 2005, 5721 posts, RR: 46
Reply 5, posted (9 years ago) and read 5056 times:

Thanks for the update. It's good to hear that DL will be speeding up their fleet simplification, although it will be sad to see the 762s go, and DL making at least some off of them. I'd also suspect the 762s to sold to a cargo airline, perhaps ABX. Of course I also hope the "Spirit of Delta" will go to Delta's Heritage Museum. The 733s could be converted to freighters as well.
Should Delta manage to find a buyer for their MD-90s, that would mean the 738s would be used even more from SLC, as the MD-88 can't do that, and CVG would likely become an MD-88-only hub, with no more 737s there.


User currently offlineStarrion From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 1122 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (9 years ago) and read 5045 times:

Another question is what will Delta do for mainline capacity?

I've flown them a number of times this year and almost every flight was full. You can't keep pulling aircraft out and not replacing them.

I hope that they manage to work their way out of their current difficulties. As a passenger i understand how expensive it is to fly widebodies domestically but I don't want to constantly end up on RJ's either.



Knowledge Replaces Fear
User currently offlineNW747-400 From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 499 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (9 years ago) and read 5045 times:

Spirit of Delta will be kept in the heritage museum with the DC3

User currently offlineDAL767400ER From Germany, joined Feb 2005, 5721 posts, RR: 46
Reply 8, posted (9 years ago) and read 5009 times:

Quoting Starrion (Reply 6):
Another question is what will Delta do for mainline capacity?

I've flown them a number of times this year and almost every flight was full. You can't keep pulling aircraft out and not replacing them.

Don't forget that while loads are good, yields are not. Therefore, decreased flight numbers might mean better yields if tickets are harder to get.
About mainline capacity, for this and most of next year, mainline capacity will shrink, as the old 737s are being retired, and only more CRJs and finally also EMB-170 come online. However, from late 2006 through early 2008, DL will take delivery of all their 738s still on order (should be 48 IIRC), as well as 3 772s, unless they decide to sell those, so in the long term mainline capacity will grow again.
Also remember that DL is increasing average use of aircraft per day, thereby adding capacity without adding aircraft.


User currently offlineCALMSP From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3843 posts, RR: 8
Reply 9, posted (9 years ago) and read 4992 times:

yes we are boosting our 762 fleet to expand more internationally from IAH  idea 


okay, I'm waiting for the rich to spread the wealth around to me. Please mail your checks to my house.
User currently offlineN747PA From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 55 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (9 years ago) and read 4968 times:

Quoting DALMD88 (Thread starter):
Nobody at work had any details.


Go talk to the AMT's replacing the belly skin on 101.


User currently offlineScottB From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 6581 posts, RR: 32
Reply 11, posted (8 years 12 months 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 4867 times:

Quoting NW747-400 (Reply 7):
Spirit of Delta will be kept in the heritage museum with the DC3

I wonder if it will be repainted into the widget livery once it's retired, considering that it came from Boeing that way.


User currently offlineFlynboy747 From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 93 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (8 years 12 months 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 4800 times:

Quoting DAL767400ER (Reply 5):
Should Delta manage to find a buyer for their MD-90s, that would mean the 738s would be used even more from SLC, as the MD-88 can't do that.

Why can't Delta's 88s be used at SLC? With so many of them, this is a real disadvantage for Delta.


User currently offlineDAL767400ER From Germany, joined Feb 2005, 5721 posts, RR: 46
Reply 13, posted (8 years 12 months 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 4776 times:

Quoting Flynboy747 (Reply 12):
Why can't Delta's 88s be used at SLC? With so many of them, this is a real disadvantage for Delta.

Because of SLC's status as a Hot&High airport. Not to be too specific but the higher an airport, the thinner the air, and the engines on the MD-88 are not the most powerful engines out there. The V2500s on the MD-90s are significantly more powerful, and same goes for the CMF-56s on the 738 and the 733.
And it shouldn't really be a disadvantage for DL. After all, American is doing the same, by making ORD an MD-80-only hub, and making MIA a pure 738 hub, with a mix at DFW. It would be the same for DL: Mix at ATL, MD-88 at CVG, and 738 at SLC. This also can be considered an advantage with regards to fleet management. If a fleet, or large part of a fleet, is kept at one airport, the airline is more flexible, say in the case one of the planes breaks done and needs replacement.


User currently offlineFlynboy747 From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 93 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (8 years 12 months 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 4720 times:

Thanks for the info DAL767400ER. I thought it had to do with SLC's higher elevation. It will be interesting to see what Delta ends up doing with their fleet organization.

User currently offlinePadcrasher From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (8 years 12 months 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 4689 times:

Quoting DAL767400ER (Reply 8):
About mainline capacity, for this and most of next year, mainline capacity will shrink, as the old 737s are being retired, and only more CRJs and finally also EMB-170 come online.

I think mainline capacity will rise the remainder of the year. They are shedding aircraft but raising daily utilization.


User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26196 posts, RR: 76
Reply 16, posted (8 years 12 months 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 4639 times:

Quoting PW2040 (Reply 4):
How many do Delta have and what powerplants do they have.

A lot and PW4000 power

Quoting CALMSP (Reply 9):
yes we are boosting our 762 fleet to expand more internationally from IAH

Wrong engines, and a lot of the DL planes are non-ERs



Mangeons les French fries, mais surtout pratiquons avec fierte le French kiss
User currently offlineJfkaua From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 1000 posts, RR: 3
Reply 17, posted (8 years 12 months 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 4604 times:

I believe they have 15 767-200's?

User currently offlineGigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16345 posts, RR: 86
Reply 18, posted (8 years 12 months 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 4581 times:

Quoting N1120A (Reply 16):
A lot and PW4000 power

All of DL's 762s are powered by GE CF6-50As.

The 763s are powered by a mix of CF6-50As, CF6-80Cs, and PW4000s.

N


User currently offlineB4real From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 2613 posts, RR: 6
Reply 19, posted (8 years 12 months 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 4547 times:

Quoting Starrion (Reply 6):
Another question is what will Delta do for mainline capacity?

Short answer, let it decrease.

We will inevitably see less ASM on mainline.



B4REAL, spelled like it sounds
User currently offlineSESGDL From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 3453 posts, RR: 10
Reply 20, posted (8 years 12 months 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 4535 times:

Quoting B4real (Reply 19):
Short answer, let it decrease.

We will inevitably see less ASM on mainline.

DL does not intend to decrease mainline capacity this year. As Padcrasher said, aircraft utilization will increase.

Jeremy


User currently offlineB4real From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 2613 posts, RR: 6
Reply 21, posted (8 years 12 months 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 4519 times:

Didn't say it would be this year, but the simple outflux of aircraft, removal of DFW, and financial situation will reduce the overall mainline capacity. DL has already removed some cities from mainline service as part of removing the 732s early.


B4REAL, spelled like it sounds
User currently offlineFlyboeingjets From United States of America, joined Oct 1999, 50 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (8 years 12 months 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 4516 times:

DL 762 fleet: 15 aircraft, GE CF6-80A2 engines. They are rumored to be going to ABX Air (DHL).

Now it gets tricky:

DL 763 Domestic: GE CF6-80A2 AND PW4060 engines.

It used to be that Domestic 763s were GE-powered, Intl were PW4060. That has since changed, PW 4060s can be found on Domestic 763s, and GE CF6s are on some Intl ERs.

DL 763 International: PW4060, GE CF6-80C2B6, and GE CF6-80C2B6F engines.

757 family is PW 2037 only, and the 764 family is GE CF6-80C2B8F only.


User currently offlineDAL767400ER From Germany, joined Feb 2005, 5721 posts, RR: 46
Reply 23, posted (8 years 12 months 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 4227 times:

Quoting SESGDL (Reply 20):
DL does not intend to decrease mainline capacity this year. As Padcrasher said, aircraft utilization will increase.

While I'm very well aware of the fact that DL is increasing utilization of their aircraft, how are they going to make up for the loss of 23 737s and 3 762s leaving the fleet this year? (Note: I got the numbers from a DL employee on another forum)
It just seems like a too high number of seats being replaced.

Quoting B4real (Reply 21):
DL has already removed some cities from mainline service as part of removing the 732s early.

But at the same time has brought back mainline service to cities that had either lost it, like BUF, or never had it before, like PHF.


User currently offline767-332ER From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 2030 posts, RR: 11
Reply 24, posted (8 years 12 months 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 4180 times:

Quoting Flyboeingjets (Reply 22):
DL 762 fleet: 15 aircraft, GE CF6-80A2 engines. They are rumored to be going to ABX Air (DHL).

Now it gets tricky:

DL 763 Domestic: GE CF6-80A2 AND PW4060 engines.

It used to be that Domestic 763s were GE-powered, Intl were PW4060. That has since changed, PW 4060s can be found on Domestic 763s, and GE CF6s are on some Intl ERs.

DL 763 International: PW4060, GE CF6-80C2B6, and GE CF6-80C2B6F engines.

757 family is PW 2037 only, and the 764 family is GE CF6-80C2B8F only.

So the Gulf Air machines which they received in the latter 90's would be the CF6-80C2B8F powered?



Twinjets...if one fails, work the other one twice as hard!!!
25 Dl_mech : The Gulf planes are -80C2B6's while all the others are -80C2B6F (FADEC).
26 727LOVER : What about the 757? DL was an early customer. Don't some of these (ie 601, 602, 603..) date back to 1983?
27 DAL767400ER : Almost. The first 4 planes were delivered in November/December 1984. The further numbers for the early years are: 1985: 8 1986: 10 1987: 11 1988: 9 1
28 MauriceB : think DL should think about a 757 replacement, for atleast the early models.... although they don't have money for the 787, they can atleast order the
29 DAL767400ER : Unfortunately, I believe DL would at least have to pay a certain amount of money to secure their delivery slots, even if they only want them from cir
30 DL763DFW : Don't forget about the numerous amount of 757s going to Song....
31 Bucky707 : "think DL should think about a 757 replacement, for atleast the early models." I think you will see the 737-900 as a replacement for most of the 757s,
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