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The Southwest Effect On May 4 - $64 PIT-PHL  
User currently offlineFlyingTexan From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (8 years 11 months 4 weeks ago) and read 4336 times:

May 3 US fare PIT-PHL USD 350+

May 4 US fare PIT-PHL USD 64

The Southwest Effect - numbers speak themself - need I say more?


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User currently offlineRedFlyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 4252 posts, RR: 29
Reply 1, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 4267 times:

I love it. I hope WN puts the last nail in the coffin of that lame carrier. If ever there was reason why the hub-and-spoke system doesn't work, this is it -- when one carrier dominates the "hub".

Good riddance US Airways. I flew you only a few times; your service sucked; and I look forward to the day when an LCC like WN runs you into your grave.



I'm not a racist...I hate Biden, too.
User currently offlineCaptaink From Mexico, joined May 2001, 5108 posts, RR: 12
Reply 2, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 4215 times:

HMM i had to check RedFlyer's profile to make sure it was not a 16 year old.. But anyhow it is called freedom of speech, so we can say what we want...

Great fares though...



There is something special about planes....
User currently offlineQuickmover From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 2486 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 4202 times:

"I love it. I hope WN puts the last nail in the coffin of that lame carrier. If ever there was reason why the hub-and-spoke system doesn't work, this is it -- when one carrier dominates the "hub".

Good riddance US Airways. I flew you only a few times; your service sucked; and I look forward to the day when an LCC like WN runs you into your grave."

Yeah that will fix it. I'm sure WN has no intention of ever raising fares if they are the only ones on that route or any other. I've heard STL people cuss TWA and say the same thing. Guess what. They would like to have them back today. Those $49 STL-MCI fares are gone. WN is out for WN and no one else. There is nothing wrong with that because business is business. Just don't think that WN is the answer to everything. If they have a chance to jack up the fares, they will. Competition is king no matter who it is.


User currently offlineWedgetail737 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5830 posts, RR: 5
Reply 4, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 4190 times:
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At one time before Stephen Wolf took over USAir, I thought they were a pretty good airline. When I was going to college in Daytona Beach, I used to switch off between them and DAL to fly back to the San Francisco Bay Area. I especially like USAir's 727's and 767's.

I can't say how their service is now. I've heard both ways. Anyway, since I've moved to the Plain states, I had no use for USAir anymore. I'm sticking to AA for now.


User currently offlineRedFlyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 4252 posts, RR: 29
Reply 5, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 4176 times:

Quoting Captaink (Reply 2):
HMM i had to check RedFlyer's profile to make sure it was not a 16 year old.. But anyhow it is called freedom of speech, so we can say what we want...

Oh, now that was a real mature reply. Instead of the personal attack, why not simply lay your argument out on the table like 95% of the rest of the posters on here do. Oh, I forgot, you're part of the other 5%.

Quoting FlyingTexan (Thread starter):
I'm sure WN has no intention of ever raising fares if they are the only ones on that route or any other.

Well, if you read my post without trying to read between the lines, you would have seen that half of my argument was against the hub-and-spoke system, which allows one carrier to dominate the hub. I value competition - something that you obviously fear.

With regards to my comment about US Airways going to its grave, that is one sick airline. And after two trips into bankruptcy it is not getting any better. It would be in everyone's best interest for it to just go away and something else to rise from, or acquire, its financial ashes.

But in the final analysis, if it does go the way of Eastern, TWA, etc., I do hope another carrier takes its place...just to make sure WN doesn't get too greedy.

Best regards



I'm not a racist...I hate Biden, too.
User currently offlineAa757first From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3345 posts, RR: 8
Reply 6, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 4156 times:

Quoting RedFlyer (Reply 1):
I love it. I hope WN puts the last nail in the coffin of that lame carrier. If ever there was reason why the hub-and-spoke system doesn't work, this is it -- when one carrier dominates the "hub".

Good riddance US Airways. I flew you only a few times; your service sucked; and I look forward to the day when an LCC like WN runs you into your grave.

Yay! Thousands people out of work!

AAndrew


User currently offlineRedFlyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 4252 posts, RR: 29
Reply 7, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 4122 times:

Quoting Aa757first (Reply 6):
Yay! Thousands people out of work!

Really, you should come up with a better reply. That one is really worn out here on A.Net.

The fact is, the market demands are there to support those people because another airline would simply step in US Airways' place. They would simply end up working for a different airline (assuming they wanted to continue working in the industry).



I'm not a racist...I hate Biden, too.
User currently offlineDeltaMIA From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 1672 posts, RR: 17
Reply 8, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 4107 times:

Quoting Quickmover (Reply 3):
Those $49 STL-MCI fares are gone. WN is out for WN and no one else.

I still show WN as offering $49 fares between MCI-STL. All short segments WN is a savior, however the longer the segments get the more WN is looking out for theirselves.
For instance cheapest WN fare TPA-LAX is $402 roundtrip. Song is $268.



It's a big building with patients, but that's not important right now.
User currently offlineIslipWN From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 4079 times:

Quoting RedFlyer (Reply 1):
I love it. I hope WN puts the last nail in the coffin of that lame carrier. If ever there was reason why the hub-and-spoke system doesn't work, this is it -- when one carrier dominates the "hub".

Good riddance US Airways. I flew you only a few times; your service sucked; and I look forward to the day when an LCC like WN runs you into your grave.

I totally agree!! AHHH But I want US to prosper and be in the air forever! Yeah sure  Wink (shhh...I'm flying US on Sun, Very rare, never fly them, used miles to upgrade, and don't want to jynx my flight)


Joe


User currently offlineCOEWR777 From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 428 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 4062 times:

Quoting RedFlyer (Reply 1):
I love it. I hope WN puts the last nail in the coffin of that lame carrier. If ever there was reason why the hub-and-spoke system doesn't work, this is it -- when one carrier dominates the "hub".

Good riddance US Airways. I flew you only a few times; your service sucked; and I look forward to the day when an LCC like WN runs you into your grave.

i smell a lcc vs legacy battle!watch what you say hot shot.


User currently offlineFlyingTexan From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 4058 times:

Quoting DeltaMIA (Reply 8):
For instance cheapest WN fare TPA-LAX is $402 roundtrip. Song is $268.

Incorrect – Southwest charges a max of 299+ which normally totals up to 312 and change.


User currently offlineDeltaMIA From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 1672 posts, RR: 17
Reply 12, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 4050 times:

Quoting FlyingTexan (Reply 11):
Incorrect – Southwest charges a max of 299+ which normally totals up to 312 and change.

I think you missed seeing the "roundtrip" part of my post. WN's max of $299 is for one way travel.



It's a big building with patients, but that's not important right now.
User currently offlineCOEWR777 From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 428 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 4048 times:

Really, you should come up with a better reply. That one is really worn out here on A.Net.

The fact is, the market demands are there to support those people because another airline would simply step in US Airways' place. They would simply end up working for a different airline (assuming they wanted to continue working in the industry).

What company do you work for? I wish they went out of buiesness, so you and your workers are out of work. If Us goes under thats alot of people losing their jobs some not having a college education and may not have a new job so how are they going to feed their families?


User currently offlineAtrude777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5686 posts, RR: 52
Reply 14, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 4034 times:

Quoting FlyingTexan (Reply 11):
Incorrect – Southwest charges a max of 299+ which normally totals up to 312 and change.

your speaking in one way, he is speaking in round trip.

the most expensive WN will charge, round trip thats a max 2 stop one connecting each way, is

$633.70

Alex



Good things come to those who wait, better things come to those who go AFTER it!
User currently offlineRedFlyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 4252 posts, RR: 29
Reply 15, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 4025 times:

Quoting COEWR777 (Reply 10):
i smell a lcc vs legacy battle!watch what you say hot shot.

Before you think otherwise, you should know I fly anywhere from 200k to 250k each year. Given my travel schedule, I PREFER the "concept" of the legacies -- full-service.

Unfortunately, I've found it more convenient and more pleasant to fly LCCs such as Southwest and jetBlue. And their prices are usually less.

Why? Because their business model is more in-tune with the times. They have evolved. The legacies have not. They still cling stubbornly to a business model that is almost three decades old. I've said it before in other posts and I'll say it again, in business, just like in life, you either evolve or you die.

As a heavy business traveler, if I have more opportunity to fly the likes of Southwest or jetBlue, then it simply translates into more convenience and less cost for me.

Best regards



I'm not a racist...I hate Biden, too.
User currently offlineIowaman From United States of America, joined May 2004, 4312 posts, RR: 6
Reply 16, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 4024 times:
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Quoting COEWR777 (Reply 13):
What company do you work for? I wish they went out of buiesness, so you and your workers are out of work. If Us goes under thats alot of people losing their jobs some not having a college education and may not have a new job so how are they going to feed their families?

I bet if US was to go under, most if not all jobs would be replaced because WN would be beefing up operations there.


User currently offlineFlyingTexan From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 3998 times:

Quoting DeltaMIA (Reply 12):
I think you missed seeing the "roundtrip" part of my post.

I did and I stand corrected.

Doesn’t Delta have a $50 change fee and that non-transferability?

 

Back to my thread starting post – US’s fares for a 1 hour flight are more than WN’s maximum – even for a cross country flight?

[Edited 2005-04-26 05:51:04]

User currently offlineRedFlyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 4252 posts, RR: 29
Reply 18, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 3990 times:

Quoting COEWR777 (Reply 13):
What company do you work for? I wish they went out of buiesness, so you and your workers are out of work. If Us goes under thats alot of people losing their jobs some not having a college education and may not have a new job so how are they going to feed their families?

Actually, I once worked for a company that went belly-up and left me stranded. Literally. I was stranded in DCA and had to pay my own way home, back to my family. But all was not lost. I landed on my feet within short order. Why? For one, I saved for a rainy day, as everyone should. Second, I had been going back to school so that I could pursue a different career. And I'm now self-employed.

Which, by the way, is a far more precarious situation to be in than some folks getting fat off of their union contracts in a cushy job with a legacy airline.

But personal insults (your insults) aside, the US Airways employees will land on their feet, even if the want to remain in the industry. Someone else will step in to take up the demand, even if it's WN simply expanding to take the place of US Airways.



I'm not a racist...I hate Biden, too.
User currently offlineDeltaMIA From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 1672 posts, RR: 17
Reply 19, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 3973 times:

Quoting FlyingTexan (Reply 17):
Doesn’t Delta have a $50 change fee and that non-transferability?

DL does on non-refundable fares as well as tickets being non-transferable.

However Song (the airline quoted vs. WN) only has a $25 change fee. Which would mean after 5 changes you are still cheaper than the original WN fare.



It's a big building with patients, but that's not important right now.
User currently offlineRDUDDJI From Lesotho, joined Jun 2004, 1421 posts, RR: 3
Reply 20, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 3973 times:

When WN started RDU-PHL...I watched USAir's walk-up fare go from $489 to $99 overnight to match WN's promotion. That's just one instance, but imangine that in many of US's markets from PHL and PIT and that's gotta take a significant chunk out of the yield...


Sometimes we don't realize the good times when we're in them
User currently offlineJetBluefan1 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 2937 posts, RR: 14
Reply 21, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 3958 times:

$350 for a rt flight PIT-PHL (before WN)? I don't care if there is no competition on the route, you don't charge me $175 for a 1hr. flight!!

JetBlue, on the other hand, the only airline servicing Boston to San Jose, sells seats from $89 each way. A 5hr. longer flight at half the price!

Just goes to show you that LCC's are a bit more "down to earth."

Nonetheless, I wish US the best of luck simply for the fact that they employ tens of thousands of people, and seeing those people get laid off is such a horrid thing. Other than that, the airline's management is run by a bunch of crackheads.

Best,

JetBluefan1



Most people on a.net hate JetBlue. Get used to it.
User currently offlineFlyingTexan From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 3948 times:

Quoting JetBluefan1 (Reply 21):
$350 for a rt flight PIT-PHL (before WN)? I don't care if there is no competition on the route, you don't charge me $175 for a 1hr. flight!!

That $350 is one way before the canyon blue 737s invade - even worse!


User currently offlineEjmmsu From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 1692 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 3948 times:

Quoting Quickmover (Reply 3):
Those $49 STL-MCI fares are gone.

For quite a while during their "systemwide savings" which lasted as a booking period for several months, routes like these were $39 each way.

Anyway, the main thing that makes WN great is the fact that I can walk up and pay about $110 for an OKC-STL leg, and a similarly lengthed DFW-MEM walkup fare is approximately TEN TIMES as much (around $1043).

And DFW-MEM supposedly has competition.

WN's fare structure does not play favorites for certain cities and gouge other cities. Their walkup fares are good for anyone, to anywhere they fly.



"If the facts do not conform to the theory, they will have to be disposed of"
User currently offlineDeltaMIA From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 1672 posts, RR: 17
Reply 24, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 3933 times:

Quoting JetBluefan1 (Reply 21):
JetBlue, on the other hand, the only airline servicing Boston to San Jose, sells seats from $89 each way. A 5hr. longer flight at half the price!

B6 doesn't make money on that fare, but it looks good to the consumer.



It's a big building with patients, but that's not important right now.
25 Ejmmsu : B6 posted a profit, as opposed to delta losing over a billion dollars every few months. B6 is making money with their fare structure.
26 DeltaMIA : What does my statement have to do with DL? Well there is no doubt that B6 is profitable just not on every route. Just ask B6.
27 JetBluefan1 : B6 doesn't make money on that fare, but it looks good to the consumer. That could be true. Of course, it depends on how many people buy that fare befo
28 Post contains images DeltaMIA : I knew that and figured somebody would list the reasons why. It would have taken away from my bluntness if I had explained all that. Probably because
29 SonOfACaptain : Dude, his reply is far more mature than your original post. I have NEVER heard of a person who loves aviation that wants an airline to go out of busi
30 Post contains links Brons2 : How wrong you are! At the following link: http://www.southwest.com/cgi-bin/lowFareFinder I put in departure city STL and arrival city MCI, guess what
31 DeltaMIA : The link doesn't work, but I will vouch for you that WN does have a great market in STL to MCI with $49 being the low fare and $76 being the high far
32 Ejmmsu : The theme of "an airline needs to go under for the good of the industry" vs. "people will lose their jobs" seems to occur all the time. At some point,
33 Post contains links Brons2 : Eh, try this one: http://www.southwest.com/cgi-bin/lowFareFinderEntry
34 Coronado990 : Maybe if you loved thy neighbor instead of competing with them, life wouldn't have to be like a business.
35 SonOfACaptain : I understand this, and I completely agree, BUT, I believe most people are underestimating US. All they see is an airline losing money today, but they
36 Ejmmsu : Life is a competition. You can still "love they neighbor" while taking steps to "evolve" personally to be more competative. For instance, I will grad
37 Iowaman : Question, WN has some reallly low fares, but in June why is the lowest fare $336 R/T LAS-MCI? YX is cheaper by far.
38 PHLBOS : It looks like PHL-PIT travelers are being given another chance of low fares due to competition. Unlike previous attempts w/Nations Air (whom US litera
39 RedFlyer : "Dude"? You don't know me well enough to refer to me as "dude". Fortunately, for the both of us, you never will. As for the rest of your comment, I k
40 Travelin man : I'm not sure I understand the point. WN charges rational fares, not the lowest fare. It is why they are profitable, and Song/Delta is not.
41 CasInterest : The reason the southwest fare of 402 is there, is probably because they sold out all the lower cost baskets, in one of the directions.
42 DeltaMIA : 1. The thread is about WN's ability to control a market through their pricing power. When WN can't control a market their fares are higher than the a
43 DeltaMIA : No $188 one-way is their lowest "fun fare." Going R/T with taxes it comes to $402 and some change.
44 Ejmmsu : Unfortunately, the invisible hand of the market does not bode well for USair's "potential". They have a lot of "potential", to struggle. Some areas o
45 Potomac : it is a far stretch to say that if usairways would go under, that it's employees would be absorbed into other carriers. yes, another carrier or other
46 Travelin man : You were saying that WN is not the "lowest" fare out there. By your own admission, they never said they were the "lowest" fare, just "low" fares. And
47 Post contains images DeltaMIA : Yeah you and a bunch of DL's competitors, but it isn't going to be done. Song will just continue to expand the product on competitive routes and HOPE
48 Post contains links RedFlyer : Well now here's a great response. I just got the following email sent to me by a reader of this thread. Nice job! Anyone know who this bozo is that se
49 Travelin man : The problem is you are comparing a route that WN does fly (albeit with stops) and saying there is no "Southwest effect". The whole point of this thre
50 DeltaMIA : There is no WN effect on routes where their are multiple carriers competing with each other. TPA-LAX has always been a highly competitive route and a
51 Potomac : hey redflyer, if you really wanted to show 'a little more class' you'd rise above your critics, instead of bringing yourself down closer to their leve
52 RedFlyer : So what you're saying is let's keep the overcapacity so that we can keep people employed? And let's not consolidate and become more efficient because
53 DeltaMIA : Yes, because WN isn't going to fly to AOO, JST, LEB, ART, HHH, ILM, AVL, TRI, ERI, RDG, GNV, EYW, TLH, MHK, CRW...the list goes on and on. While in o
54 Potomac : that is not at all my point. you stated: "And if you knew anything about economics, which you obviously don't, you'd know that those same employees wo
55 TxAgKuwait : You know, nobody ever seems to take the "challenge" I have issued on here from time to time, namely, find me a Southwest fare that is UNREASONABLE. I
56 RedFlyer : I understand your point and those of some others. But your comment, just like Potomac's, just confirms the heart of the issue here. And that is some
57 DeltaMIA : DL is competiting with the car. The business travelers that fly the route likely work for BellSouth and thus already receive a contractual fare. Ther
58 PHLBOS : TxAgKuwait, Always good to hear from you. You yourself probably already know the reason for the difference in fares for the itineraries you listed, b
59 S12PPL : Well aprently my previous post was deleted. Too bad. I thought it was clever...Anyway... I guess US was higher on that route because they needed to co
60 DeltaMIA : Not really it is solely DL. AA puts its code on a couple flights that account for about 5% market share (38 seats each way). However DL still has aro
61 Post contains images ALB2ATL : quote=SonOfACaptain,reply=35]. If not for the price of fuel, US would be making money, along with a lot of airlines. It is a shame that US has worked
62 TxAgKuwait : >>DL is competiting with the car. The business travelers that fly the route likely work for BellSouth and thus already receive a contractual fare. The
63 PHLBOS : Actually, the AA non-stops are handled by American Connection. The NW itineraries have a mixture of NW and DL-code-shared flights. Nonetheless, you j
64 BNAflyer78 : Correct me if I'm wrong, but can't Delta charge whatever they want from BNA-ATL (or any other mainline-only, no LCC competition, short-haul trip)? I m
65 Goingboeing : Um....I just looked and I can still book a $49 advance fare from MCI-STL. And if my schedule is tight and inflexible, it's only $76. Do you know what
66 Brons2 : Cough....cough....bs. Check out WN on.... AUS (30°11'40"N 97°40'12"W) DAL (32°50'50"N 96°51'06"W) 164 nm AUS (30°11'40"N 97°40'12"W) HOU (29°3
67 Brons2 : Oh and by the way, to add to my previous post, your thinking is the sort of thing that the legacies keep tripping over.
68 Seven3Seven : Sorry, but it should be survival of the fittest and the legacy carriers being propped up by GE and other lenders are just hurting my orange and brown
69 Post contains images SonOfACaptain : This one sentence clearly tells me you know NOTHING about US, because if you did, you would know that US has changed considerably. Once again, your m
70 SonOfACaptain : Now I don't know who sent that, but boy, do I agree. -SOAC
71 Goingboeing : REally??? Seems to me those guys would be prime candidates...imagine all that experience and paying them just like you would a 24 year old First Offi
72 TxAgKuwait : Dear Son of a Captain. I would suggest to you that nothing at USAirways has really changed. I would disagree with RedFlyer, though. USAirways isn't o
73 RedFlyer : Oh? And how have they changed "considerably"? If they have changed "considerably", why did they make two trips back into bankruptcy within two years?
74 N844AA : Why the hell would they do this? Just their outmoded approach to the business? I don't know much about the economics of the airline industry, but I'm
75 Bennett123 : What baffles me is the number of people who think that if US goes down that all of the staff will walk into new jobs. I suspect that even if WN expand
76 SonOfACaptain : Are they hub-and-spoke stil? Yes, but they have quite a few point-to-point services, and they are clearly putting an emphesis on them too. And since
77 Luv2fly : This was not one that they took over.
78 TxAgKuwait : Luv2Fly: >>Lake Central Airlines was an airline that served points in the midwestern United States from 1951 to 1968, when it was merged into Alleghen
79 Luv2fly : Sorry my bad was thinking of something else.
80 Boeing7E7 : Southwest Trip Cost: $2935 Southwest Seat Cost: $21.42 Load Factor: 62% (Short hops have lower load) Rough Revenue: $5250 Trip Profit: $2312 BTW: US
81 TxAgKuwait : Dear Luv2Fly: No need to apologize. But when it comes to Local Service Airline genealogy for $500, Alex, I hope I get a "Daily Double" (My family was
82 Post contains images OPNLguy : et. al... Thanks again for your well-balanced and insightful commentary on the issue...
83 Potomac : there is no disputing the fact that US and the other legacies have made poor decisions and have shown to have a flawed business models (at least durin
84 OPNLguy : DING!
85 Post contains images SonOfACaptain : Feel free to respond about anything. Although I may say some harsh things, when I fall asleep tonight, I will never feel troubled by what people say
86 RDUDDJI : (voiceover) "You are now free to move about the country" (/voiceover) Sorry, couldn't resist seeing as how we are talking about WN and all...[Edited
87 Post contains images OPNLguy : It was actually alluding to TxAg's mention of the game show in one of his posts, but yours is a good one too...
88 TxAgKuwait : SOAC- you might have missed it with all the message traffic, go back and re-read post #72. None of us want your family to starve. Nobody wants to see
89 ORD2PHL : Flew this route just yesterday, in/out in the same day and it cost me $715 r/t....the buzz on the return segment last night was definitely that WN has
90 Post contains links Boeing7E7 : If this plan goes through, it will kill both of them off in that market, they haven't updated in a while, but they are trying to get funding by rerout
91 Potomac : legacies charge high fares on non-competitive routes bcs they can. they charge low fares on LCC-competitive routes bcs they have to. again, it comes d
92 SonOfACaptain : Yes I did miss it, thanks for telling me it was there. I realize this, and I do not seek sympathy either. I truthfully don't care what people say abo
93 RedFlyer : I'm glad to hear that. Unfortunately, it might be too little; too late. I never said that nor did I imply it. Well, now there's a really good argumen
94 Mariner : SOAC: Sorry, but why? They've had two chances already, they have twice burned their shareholders and many of their creditors. They have destroyed the
95 SonOfACaptain : Considering these pilots make less than some at WN....... Would love to chat some more, but food is calling. -SOAC
96 SonOfACaptain : Lol, I knew somebody was going to comment on this one. I consider this all one chance, because they haven't come out of the hole yet. Now I'm really
97 Mariner : SOAC: Even with everything they have done, all the cuts they have made, they will not, by their own admission, turn a substantial profit until at leas
98 TOLtommy : Buzz..... Thanks for playing. Still there, just pulled 'em up. Used June 26 as travel date.
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