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What's The Best College For Atc.  
User currently offline22LApproach From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 3 posts, RR: 0
Posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 6127 times:

Hello. I was wondeing what the college of choice is for either atrcc or atc. I also heard Beaver college was one of the best. Is this true and can any of you nice people please give me information on the best route to take. Thanks.

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User currently offlineBoeing7E7 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 6118 times:

None. The FAA is only hiring just out of military controllers. You can go get the training, but then you won't be able to use it every day. Unless of course you go into the military for four. I know that Riddle has an ATC simulator, I think UND does as well.

User currently offlineC680 From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 588 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 6110 times:

Quoting 22LApproach (Thread starter):
I was wondeing what the college of choice is for either atrcc or atc.

Charm School Big grin



My happy place is FL470 - what's yours?
User currently offlineAGrayson514 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 396 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 6108 times:

There was recently a huge article about this in Flying Magazine, where they mentioned that there were 14 major colleges that the FAA hires controllers from, and they are:

Vaughn College of Aeronautics & Technology
Laguardia Airport, Flushing, New York
http://www.vaughn.edu

Dowling College
Brookhaven Long Island, New York
http://www.dowling.edu

Community College of Beaver County
Beaver Falls, PA
http://www.ccbc.edu

Daniel Webster College
Nashua, NH
http://www.dwc.edu

Embry-Riddle Aeronautical University
Daytona Beach, FL
http://www.erau.edu

Miami-Dade College
Homestead, FL
http://www.mdc.edu

University of North Dakota
Grand Forks, ND
http://www.und.edu

Purdue University
Lafayette, IN
http://www.purdue.edu

Inter-American University of Puerto Rico
Bayamon, PR
http://www.inter.edu

Hampton University
Hampton, VA
http://www.hamptonu.edu

University of Alaska, Anchorage
Anchorage, AK
http://www.uaa.alaska.edu

Middle Tennessee State University
Murfeesboro, TN
http://www.mtsu.edu

Mt. San Antonio College
Walnut, CA
http://www.mtsac.edu

ALSO.... (Has specialized FAA-approved en route controller program)
Minneapolis Community & Technical College
Eden Prarie, MN
http://www.mctc.mnscu.edu

Additional Information can be found at
http://www.faa.gov
and the contoller union's website:
http://www.natca.org


The article in Flying talked about how the job forecast for the next 16 years is very promising for controllers, offering job security (government jobs) and higher pay than ever before. I would suggest you pick up a copy of the May 2005 Flying Magazine if you are interested in this career path.

I hope I helped!  Smile

~ Andrew Grayson



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User currently offlineBoeing7E7 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 6089 times:

If Flying says they're hiring out of school, then Flying got it wrong. Federal jobs require a public vacancy announcement (this is Federal Law) and the ATC positions state the following:

Area of Consideration: Only military air traffic controllers who are either on terminal leave pending retirement from active duty military service or who retired from active duty on or after September 17, 1999, may apply.


User currently offlineAGrayson514 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 396 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 6067 times:

I can only tell you what I read here in FLYING stating that:

"...the primary basis of the hiring program is now through 14 colleges that screen and then train air traffic controll aplicants..."(Richard Collins, Flying Magazine May 2005)

and what the NATCA says here under Minimum Requirements:

http://www.natca.org/about/howatc.msp#minimum

and what the FAA says here about How the FAA Hires:

http://www.faa.gov/careers/employment/atc.htm#HOW%20THE%20FAA%20HIRES

Former military service is listed as an optional career path, but only one of many and is certainly not a requirement. Again, I hope I helped you guys out  

~ Andrew Grayson


*You may email me if you like

[Edited 2005-04-26 05:38:32]

[Edited 2005-04-26 05:39:31]


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User currently offlineN670UW From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 1604 posts, RR: 8
Reply 6, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 6061 times:

Quoting Boeing7E7 (Reply 4):
If Flying says they're hiring out of school, then Flying got it wrong. Federal jobs require a public vacancy announcement (this is Federal Law) and the ATC positions state the following:

Area of Consideration: Only military air traffic controllers who are either on terminal leave pending retirement from active duty military service or who retired from active duty on or after September 17, 1999, may apply.

The FAA's recently-released future workforce plan states the 14 accredited schools will become a more crucial part of future hiring:

Here's the link (warning: it's big):
http://www.faa.gov/airports_airtraff...r_staffing/media/WorkforcePlan.pdf

From Page 56 (Part 6.4.5):
"The FAA expects that the CTI [Collegiate Training Initiative] schools will increase their enrollment in anticipation of increased controller hiring. The CTI schools will most likely become an even more important source of candidates between the years 2007 and 2014. The Office of Personnel Management will be depleted by then and it is unlikely that the FAA will be permitted to cause a critical drawdown of military controllers to meet the peak hiring needs in those years. The CTI schools have several advantages. They produce candidates with college degrees and a broad knowledge of the aviation industry. These candidates have at least a basic level of training in air traffic control and have shown a sincere interest in the career field by the investment they have made in their own training..."



N670UW


User currently offlineTinPusher007 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 977 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 6048 times:

Quoting Boeing7E7 (Reply 1):
None. The FAA is only hiring just out of military controllers. You can go get the training, but then you won't be able to use it every day. Unless of course you go into the military for four. I know that Riddle has an ATC simulator, I think UND does as well.

Thats not true...I have never served in the military a day in my life and just got hired for NY ARTCC. I went to Riddle and did ATC as a minor. I know someone else who also went to Riddle and then to the school in Minnesota and just got hired at D.C. ARTCC. Serving in the military is NOT a requirement to become an air traffic controller. I read that same article in Flying Mag...tonight as a matter of fact and what it states about becoming a controller through on of those 14 colleges is mostly correct.



"Flying isn't inherently dangerous...but very unforgiving of carelessness, incapacity or neglect."
User currently offlineBoeing7E7 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 6037 times:

Vacancy Announcements:

http://jobs.faa.gov/announcement_detail.asp?vac_id=52569

http://jobs.faa.gov/announcement_detail.asp?vac_id=73595

The programs aren't in place yet. Flying is jumping the gun as usual.


User currently offlineAGrayson514 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 396 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 6020 times:

If you are interested in becoming an Air Traffic Controller, here are a few resources that you might find helpful, I especially enjoyed the brochure:

http://www.natca.org/assets/Document...ediacenter/controller_brochure.pdf

And here's a personal look at the life of a controller:

http://www.natca.org/assets/Documents/mediacenter/PROFILES.pdf

~ Andrew Grayson



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User currently offlineTinPusher007 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 977 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 6017 times:

Quoting Boeing7E7 (Reply 8):
The programs aren't in place yet. Flying is jumping the gun as usual.

NO they're not...the CTI program has been in place since at least '97 when I started as a freshman at Riddle. I think what you were quoting as a requirement is that for military controllers who wish to transfer to civilian.

I know far too many people who have been hired (including myself only a few days ago) who are actively working as controllers.



"Flying isn't inherently dangerous...but very unforgiving of carelessness, incapacity or neglect."
User currently offlineAGrayson514 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 396 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 6003 times:

While all this discovery on the hiring practices of the FAA is informative and amusing, it doesn't address the original question of what college is best. I have heard many great things about Embry Riddle, and their campuses are both world class.

To compare the colleges individually I would suggest using the college board website, which is really quite useful. I've been using it a lot myself recently in looking into college prospects.

http://www.collgeboard.com

go to the quick college finder, you can compare and contrast any colleges you like.

~ Andrew Grayson



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User currently offlineTinPusher007 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 977 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 5996 times:

My experience at Riddle was good one indeed. However, if you go to the school in MN, which gives very extensive en route training...you do not have to go the FAA Academy in OKC before you get to your facility


"Flying isn't inherently dangerous...but very unforgiving of carelessness, incapacity or neglect."
User currently offlineEchster From United States of America, joined exactly 10 years ago today! , 399 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 5900 times:

I may be biased since I'm coming up on my 12th year of being a controller, but I came through the military. I'd rank them 1) Air Force, 2) USMC, 3) Navy, 4) Army.

If you want a recommendation for colleges, I'd probably suggest a 4-year school. ERAU is, in my opinion, on the expensive side. I would have gone to UND, but didn't need to as I stated above. I have heard good things about Beaver, as well. I've heard they have their own control tower/airfield and their students have a chance to get a CTO (control tower operator) certificate. Being a CC, I would venture to say it's a 2-year school.

Folks have mentioned "the school in MN", but that really isn't much of an option since Congress cut their funding. There was a program called MARC that trained civilians to control enroute traffic (a Center controller). A Congressman (I can't remember) who had control of the congressional appropriations committee cut its funding and mandated the work be done at the FAA Academy in OKC....which happened to be in his district. MARC graduates went straight to a center after graduating.

The FAA hires numerous ways. How you go about getting qualified to be a controller determines how you can apply. MARC graduates were pretty much direct hires. CTI graduates have their own hiring list. I may be wrong, but I think they automatically get put on a list after graduating. How the order of merit is....well, you got me. Former military controllers (who didn't retire) have their own job announcement - called VRA (Veterans Readjustment Act). They will probably get selected by what region they want to work in and then by the points they accumulate for experience and veterans preference. Former military controllers (who retired after serving 20 years) have their own list, known as the Phoenix-20 program. Finally, there are lists from OPM (those who took the test when it was last offered around 1992) and ex-PATCO controllers. I know there are other lists, like the qualified FSS controllers, but you get the idea.

I must mention that with different hiring programs, there are different pay methods. All controllers going to OKC used to pretty much get paid the same - with certain exceptions - plus per diem. Now, CTI graduates are at the sh*t-end of the stick and get paid GS-1 (like $8.00 an hour) without benefits and no per diem. Also, in the hiring letter, it states if you fail to certify at your facility, you'll be fired. In that case, you spent money for a degree that you can't use for a job. All the other hires are paid differently because of the experience they have, or the job announcement they were hired under.

I'll wrap this up by saying there are a couple ATC jobs sites on the net.

CTI Info - (I think it's this)..... www.atccti.com
General Hire and ATC Info...... www.stuckmic.com


User currently offlineBoeing7E7 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 5861 times:

Quoting TinPusher007 (Reply 10):
NO they're not...the CTI program has been in place since at least '97 when I started as a freshman at Riddle. I think what you were quoting as a requirement is that for military controllers who wish to transfer to civilian.

That's good to hear then. Riddle was the pilot program so apparently they are comfortable enough to add schools.


User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26449 posts, RR: 75
Reply 15, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 5853 times:

Quoting Boeing7E7 (Reply 1):
None. The FAA is only hiring just out of military controllers. You can go get the training, but then you won't be able to use it every day. Unless of course you go into the military for four. I know that Riddle has an ATC simulator, I think UND does as well.

That is completely untrue. The FAA is currently, and has been always, hiring civilians. In fact, given the current shortage, only to be made worse by the impending wave of mandatory retirements, they need as many as they can get. What has become more prevalent is the hiring of civilians out of the various 1-2 year CTI programs. Controllers first do those courses then they go to OKC for the Academy. Also, chosing a school is primarily based on what hub you want to work out of. If you want to work on the west coast, Mt. Sac is the best choice, etc.



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