DIA From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 3273 posts, RR: 27 Posted (9 years 7 months 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 14294 times:
From the Boeing website on this "huge" issue with a.netters:
(April 26, 2005 New 787 Comments)
"Along with tremendous customer response, the 787 program continues defining the airplane, including finalizing its exterior look.
"Our designers took the concept image that reflected our aspirations for the program -- a truly unique and recognizable external shape -- and created an efficient airplane that people will instantly recognize," said Bair.
Passengers will recognize the 787 because of its distinctive nose, wings, tail and engine cowl. Inside, passengers will find bigger windows, innovative lighting, more personal space, bigger overhead bins, a lower cabin altitude during flight and improved humidity.
If I'm being at all honest, the "scalloped" or "serrated" engine cowls are the most distinguishing feature on the outside of the a/c. Now, when I see more photos, or even an actual 787 production model, I will probably notice the 787 is more distinguishable from other a/c than I thought. . .
And, even though the pointy nose is gone, the new nose is still different as Boeing says. . .
I think I just need to see more photos/drawings of the new (April-26 '05) design to make a better judgement.
[Edited 2005-04-26 21:54:06]
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ContnlEliteCMH From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 1465 posts, RR: 44
Reply 2, posted (9 years 7 months 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 14112 times:
Those engines are fascinating. In addition to the serrated edges on the outer cowl, has anybody noticed the complex shape of the cowl near the after underside of the engines? Some might interesting fairings. I find such visual details enhance my enjoyment of this plane, even though I am *most* disappointed with the conventional-ish nose. I really liked the model.
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Tockeyhockey From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 952 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (9 years 7 months 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 14011 times:
Quoting ContnlEliteCMH (Reply 2): Those engines are fascinating. In addition to the serrated edges on the outer cowl, has anybody noticed the complex shape of the cowl near the after underside of the engines?
as soon as the engineers at boeing tell their bosses that they can save $10 if they don't put the serated edges on the cowlings, they will be gone!!!
Blackhawk144 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (9 years 7 months 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 13530 times:
Although I definetaly agree that the first design was SO much better...I don't really hate the new one. You actually have to look at the large pictures. I was so shocked to see such a beautiful airplane turn so ugly when I saw the small pictures, but if you see those big pics, then it looks a lot better.
DfwRevolution From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 997 posts, RR: 51
Reply 14, posted (9 years 7 months 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 13519 times:
Quoting DL021 (Reply 12): I'd like to see a final copy of an interior.
Boeing doesn't have the final athority over cabin details to really publish an offical "final cabin." They can design certain aspects like overhead bins, celing lines, etc, but the seating and appointments are up to the customer.
The -9 variant definitly wins the "best looking" award though...
They're called chevrons, and were first featured on the engine cowling of a prototype Trent 600 for the XQLR.
They are presently in production on the CF34-10s on E170s and 190s.
They ease the expansion of the fan air into the slip stream thus reducing aircraft noise by ~ 3dbA!!! That's a VERY noticible noise reduction.
Quoting Tockeyhockey (Reply 5): as soon as the engineers at boeing tell their bosses that they can save $10 if they don't put the serated edges on the cowlings, they will be gone!!!
Boeing will spend the "$10" for the added slots into noise controlled airports (e.g., LHR). There is a fatigue penalty for the Chevrons; this translates into a slightly higher maint. expense.
What fascinates me is the "plug and play" nature of the engines. A FIRST for an airliner. In 15 minutes (Plus paper work), a customer (or lessor) could swap from RR to GE or GE to RR. Its going to make having the competition INTENSE. Before, the cost of changing engines was prohibitive (a nacelle often costs $1 million+). The recertification costs to switch an engine usually added another cool $1 million/airframe. Now? The biggest switching cost will be three checkout touch and go's!
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AAgent From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 560 posts, RR: 14
Reply 20, posted (9 years 7 months 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 13331 times:
Looking at the enlarged photos I was wondering which are they going to use, winglets or raked wing tips? The first photo shows winglets where the others feature the raked wing tips. Although both look very nice I think I prefer the raked wing tips.