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Wesjet Wants To Fly To The UK And Hawaii  
User currently offlineGreasespot From Canada, joined Apr 2004, 3077 posts, RR: 20
Posted (9 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 6670 times:

Sorry no link,

Just hear on radio driving to work that Westjet has approached Transport Canada to fly to Hawaii and the U.K....

More later

GS


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User currently offlineMatt From Canada, joined May 1999, 692 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (9 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 6651 times:

There's an article about this in this morning's Globe and Mail.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servl...427.wxrwestjet27/BNStory/Business/



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User currently offlineBO__einG From Canada, joined Apr 2000, 2770 posts, RR: 18
Reply 2, posted (9 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 6331 times:

The Hawaii route is in the process and it should work out later this year.
Which the airline will have no problem connecting Hawaii to like YVR or even YYC due to their longer range 737NG jets.
The UK one is a new one for me but I am willling to bet that it will most likely start off as charters as what they would do for Mexico and Carribean.
For north america, I don't know of any low cost carrier serving oversea destinations.
I also would suggest caution for expanding so quickly especially to international places as the airline's root is Canada and I don't want to see Westjet turn into a International or Intercontinental type of airline. It would deform their identity.



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User currently offlineB742 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2005, 3766 posts, RR: 19
Reply 3, posted (9 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 6300 times:

Good to see WestJet expanding globally!

WestJet would be great in the UK, but ill believe it when I see it!

If they would want to fly to the UK they would need a new A/c type like the A330/767 series. Could we ever see WestJet at LHR, or will it probably be just LGW or MAN?

Rob!


User currently offlineStirling From Italy, joined Jun 2004, 3943 posts, RR: 22
Reply 4, posted (9 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 6259 times:

Quoting B742 (Reply 3):
If they would want to fly to the UK they would need a new A/c type like the A330/767 series.

That might be if the routes are from Toronto, since I don't think the 737 (all-series) has the legs. But from St John's or Halifax, a 737 to the UK would certainly be within range specs.



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User currently offlineYyz717 From Canada, joined Sep 2001, 16239 posts, RR: 56
Reply 5, posted (9 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 6259 times:

WS may as well take advantage of the 73G range.


Panam, TWA, Ansett, Eastern.......AC next? Might be good for Canada.
User currently offlineSamurai 777 From Canada, joined Jan 2000, 2458 posts, RR: 4
Reply 6, posted (9 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 6218 times:

I'm not surprised at all about WestJet planning flights to Hawai'i. Sound more or less like a logical move when it's tapping into the leisure market and that Aloha is no longer flying into YVR as an alternative to AC. I don't think Air Pacific does, either.

But that move to fly to the UK is a surprise! I don't see how on earth WS is going to fly there unless: 1. it's going to do so from Halifax or St. John's (both unlikely, of course) 2. it get widebodies (not likely either). 3. it has a few of its 737NGs fitted with extra fuel tanks.

I do know that PrivatAir flies 737NGs across the pond to ORD and EWR from Europe, but these 737NGs are fitted with an all-J class configuration. I don't know how they do that unless it's because of a ligher payload due to fewer pax or if they fit them with extra feul tanks.


User currently offlineBMED From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2004, 860 posts, RR: 6
Reply 7, posted (9 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 6179 times:

The 737 should be able to do the routes. British carrier Astraeus flies to Canada using their 737NG's. Not sure where abouts though the destination is located in Canada. i.e East coast or more central. It would be great to see a new carrier flying LCC routes across the pond.


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User currently offlineGuyBetsy1 From Canada, joined Aug 2001, 839 posts, RR: 6
Reply 8, posted (9 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 6169 times:

They should forget UK as the market is a little saturated right now.. with BA/AC.. and charters.

They should instead fly maybe on routes that don't have much traffic ie Paris, Amsterdam and Frankfurt.

They could also aim for China and Korea. All 3 airlines flying between Seoul and Vancouver are booked solid every week, on every flight. Flights on AC and Air China are full between Canada and China.

Now thats where the real money lies.


User currently offlineGigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16347 posts, RR: 85
Reply 9, posted (9 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 6143 times:

Westjet will not get any benefit from flying the UK on a 737.

Their business model is incompatible with that small sort of trip, whereas Privatair gets yields from being all business.

N


User currently offlineYyz717 From Canada, joined Sep 2001, 16239 posts, RR: 56
Reply 10, posted (9 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 6123 times:

Quoting Gigneil (Reply 9):
Their business model is incompatible with that small sort of trip,

Their business model is based on making money with 737's. Other than that, everything is on the table. It is not much of a stretch to fly a 7-hour YYZ-LGW (for instance) when WS already flies a 6-hour YHZ-YYC route.



Panam, TWA, Ansett, Eastern.......AC next? Might be good for Canada.
User currently offlineFLY777UAL From United States of America, joined May 1999, 4512 posts, RR: 3
Reply 11, posted (9 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 6084 times:

I thought AC had operated the A319 across the pond from YYT-LGW a few times a week in the late 90's?

At 2333mi, it is (by great circle mapper) shorter in length than the previously mentioned YHZ-YYC route, which taps in at 2334mi.

For those of us in the States, a comparable flight would be BWI-LAX at 2329mi.

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User currently offlineYyz717 From Canada, joined Sep 2001, 16239 posts, RR: 56
Reply 12, posted (9 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 6052 times:

Quoting FLY777UAL (Reply 11):
I thought AC had operated the A319 across the pond from YYT-LGW a few times a week in the late 90's?

That was a planned Skyservice 319 route, and it was more recent. Perhaps 2002 or 2003. Not sure if it ever operated.



Panam, TWA, Ansett, Eastern.......AC next? Might be good for Canada.
User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26338 posts, RR: 76
Reply 13, posted (9 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 5993 times:

Quoting Stirling (Reply 4):
That might be if the routes are from Toronto, since I don't think the 737 (all-series) has the legs. But from St John's or Halifax, a 737 to the UK would certainly be within range specs.

YYT and YHZ would be possible with 737s, though international departure taxes and the like would make trips more expensive for travelers. Additionally, the O&D would not be as strong as YYZ/YUL/YVR/YYC where at a minimum a 757 is required and WS would likely need 767s/787s

Quoting Samurai 777 (Reply 6):
I don't think Air Pacific does, either.

The do NAN-HNL-YVR



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User currently offlineBwaflyer From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2004, 689 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (9 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days ago) and read 5958 times:

Astraeus operate LGW - YDF (Deer Lake) with the 73G. Flights have stopped for this month, but start again next month. Capacity is limited to 130ish (can't remember exact figure) due to total numbers that can be accommodated in the life rafts carried on board. Flight times are 6-6:30 west bound and 5:15-5:45 east bound and the crew operate it as a turnaround flight.

User currently offlineSamurai 777 From Canada, joined Jan 2000, 2458 posts, RR: 4
Reply 15, posted (9 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days ago) and read 5937 times:

Quoting N1120A:

The do NAN-HNL-YVR

Not anymore. I believe I heard something about Air Pacific no longer planning to fly HNL-YVR anymore last year. Besides, I fly into YVR a few times a year.


User currently offlineBO__einG From Canada, joined Apr 2000, 2770 posts, RR: 18
Reply 16, posted (9 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days ago) and read 5929 times:

When WJ hits the longer routes like HI or UK, they better start serving passengers with more than just orange juice and cookies/pretzels.

Even for a LCC, nobody would stand sitting 5-7hrs being fed off those, or you will debark weak as a twig.

On another note, they are starting San Diego flights in a month so that will be nice!



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User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26338 posts, RR: 76
Reply 17, posted (9 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days ago) and read 5898 times:

Quoting BO__einG (Reply 16):
When WJ hits the longer routes like HI or UK, they better start serving passengers with more than just orange juice and cookies/pretzels.

Even for a LCC, nobody would stand sitting 5-7hrs being fed off those, or you will debark weak as a twig.

Some of their routes are already longer than YVR-HNL, so it is not really an issue. YYZ/YVR/YYC-UK might be an issue

Quoting Samurai 777 (Reply 15):
Not anymore. I believe I heard something about Air Pacific no longer planning to fly HNL-YVR anymore last year. Besides, I fly into YVR a few times a year.

Yes they do. Check out both the route map and flight schedules at www.airpacific.com



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User currently offlineFinchflites From Canada, joined Apr 2005, 19 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (9 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days ago) and read 5886 times:

Yup I heard that westjet Is Wanting to try the UK and Hawaii Flights too! I guess that they want to be like all the other carriers that have UK flights and file for chapter 11 bankruptcy protection and have millions lost for each quarter report!
Good Luck to Westjet! I will be watching for all your aircraft arriving for there final flights to Mohave Desert!
Westjet was a profitable airline for each quarter report! Why destroy somthing when you are making a profit?!

Jay



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User currently offlineStirling From Italy, joined Jun 2004, 3943 posts, RR: 22
Reply 19, posted (9 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days ago) and read 5884 times:

Quoting Samurai 777 (Reply 15):
Not anymore. I believe I heard something about Air Pacific no longer planning to fly HNL-YVR anymore last year. Besides, I fly into YVR a few times a year.

Air Pacific does indeed fly NAN-YVR, via HNL, with the 737-800(winglets)
FJ820/FJ821.
You might not have seen it since they only operate on Fridays and Sundays.



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User currently offlineTrident2e From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (9 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days ago) and read 5855 times:

Quoting BO__einG (Reply 2):
For north america, I don't know of any low cost carrier serving oversea destinations.

How about Zoom from Canada to the UK?


User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26338 posts, RR: 76
Reply 21, posted (9 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days ago) and read 5842 times:

Quoting Trident2e (Reply 20):
Quoting BO__einG (Reply 2):
For north america, I don't know of any low cost carrier serving oversea destinations.

How about Zoom from Canada to the UK?

TZ flies to Hawai'i, which is domestic but over water. B6 and NK both serve Carribean destinations that are not that far away, but are international. F9 serves Mexico. FL serves the Bahamas



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User currently offlineBluewave 707 From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 3152 posts, RR: 6
Reply 22, posted (9 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days ago) and read 5798 times:

Proof ... Here's a link to an Air Pacific 78H @ HNL ...
http://myaviation.net/?pid=00156192

WS will be up against HQ and AC, but has a good shot at giving the 2 some good competition. AC has discontinued ACA044/043 (seasonal) which arrived and departed midday. Both HQ and AC have late afternoon & evening flights. WS should fill the void of having day flights between Canada and Hawaii. I'd bet that AQ would do the ground handling just for the fact that they have 737s themselves, and also handle Air Pacific.

In fact, with a smaller aircraft, WS would only have to fill about 120 seats, as opposed to close to 200 in a 752, or 250+ in a 763. Plus, they could do the neighbor islands as well, if they are really ambitious.

[Edited 2005-04-27 21:42:18]


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User currently offlineFinchflites From Canada, joined Apr 2005, 19 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (9 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 5743 times:

Zoom Airlines are moving the location to Abbotsford (YXX). Not sure of the reason for this but my wife works at the Abbotsford Airport, Supplying meals for pilots and crew members and she has just recived a notice that they will be prepairing food for Pilots, cleaning crew, and maintenance from zoom Airlines. They are Flying from YXX to Glasgow Airport 2 times a week. As well as for Alaska Airlines, Horizon Airlines and Southwest airlines.

Jay.

PS- Southwest is not a Passenger flight, It only goes there for routine check-ups.



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User currently offlineSamurai 777 From Canada, joined Jan 2000, 2458 posts, RR: 4
Reply 24, posted (9 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 5724 times:

@Bluewave707 - that pic is a little old. It's from July, 2004. I've seen A.net pics of Air Pacific at YVR even more recent than that.

@Stirling - Thanks for the correction. I decided to check the skeds more closely, and it does. I might not have seen their 738s probably because I'm not going in and out of YVR at the right time of day - Fridays and Sundays are actually one of the most common days of the week I fly in and out of YVR. But I usually take my flights later in the evening or ealy afternoon because I do not like the road traffic in Richmond and Vancouver during the late afternoon rush hour. I guess it's too easy to draw conclusions too fast.

But I remember having heard about some airlines being incredibly difficult for spotters to see at YVR because they'd go in and out either very early in the morning or very late at night. I think Aloha was one of them, in fact. That can often be because finding gate slot times can be very difficult or maybe cheaper for airlines to use at certain times of the day.

Now, back to the topic at hand....

Would applying for ETOPS certification like for the 767/777 take a long time for WestJet to do even if Transport Canada approves the routings?

[Edited 2005-04-27 22:17:09]

25 Matt : If I'm not mistaken, Zoom will be flying once a week from Abbotsford to London (and not Glasgow). The flight, operated by a 763, will stop in Calgary
26 Finchflites : Matt- Yes, I just looked at her notice and you are right, Zoom from YXX to London. Appoligies. Jay. Edit: Do you know If Abbotsford airport can even s
27 Post contains images CXH : True. Conquest had planned and even started to sell YHZ-YYT-LGW and return on their Skyservice A319 but cancelled it and just stuck to domestic for s
28 BWIA330 : Hey, I think this is great that wesjet is expanding across the pond and into hawaii. But just my personal opinion, I would not fly anything smaller th
29 Tennisace : Yes, Abbotsford is 8000' with an extension to come. It's funny, because there was never any press release on this YXX service, not even on the ZOOM we
30 Accargo : WJ had a conference call this am regarding it's first quarter results. At that time Clive backpeddled big time about any plans to fly to the UK. He sa
31 YUL332LX : The day WS buys another type of aircraft will be remembered as they day WS committed suicide.
32 YOW : For north america, I don't know of any low cost carrier serving oversea destinations. I would certainly consider Zoom to be a low cost transatlantic c
33 Bluewave 707 : Samurai-san picky desu nee? I put that link because a) I took that photo, and b) proving the point that Air Pacific uses 73Hs for transPac routes.
34 BO__einG : Ahh, I did not realize that ZOOM of Ottawa was considered to be a low cost airline. I thought it was a charter such as that of Transat. If that is the
35 Post contains links and images Clipperhawaii : The photo is a shot of Air Pacific in Hawaii on it's way to YVR. thus the reason why Bluewave posted it. Here is another more "recent" one. Same smel
36 N1120A : A 757 needs less runway than a 737/A32S, so having 757s at YXX should not be a shocker
37 Samurai 777 : Apologies are in order for Bluewave and a few others. If anything, it's all my fault entirely, okay? Now... What's with Zoom serving Abbotsford!? This
38 Cruiser : To be honest, AC is very competitive on YYZ-LHR. I believe the ticket is around $429 CDN. I think that WJ will have a tough time attracting business g
39 DfwRevolution : Both the 737NG and A320 are capable of ETOPS 180, which is pleanty adequet for anything that WestJet could possibly fly with those aircraft....
40 Finchflites : My wife just got home from work and she read on a sheet of paper in an open briefcase that was with a bunch of suits (inadvertently of course) that Ha
41 Yyz717 : Maybe WS will start a weekly charter service YHZ-LGW or similar for a summer or two to test the operational effectiveness of the 73G transatlantic. I
42 N1120A : Adding to Rev's comment, all you need to do YHZ/YYT-UK/Ireland is ETOPS 120
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