Georgiabill From United States of America, joined Mar 2003, 813 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (10 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 4302 times:
I forgot to mention last fall I read an article that indicated WN had approached Boeing about using 787 technology in a 737 capacity airplane. If I remember correctly, they were interested in an initial order of 200 planes. Since the 787 was based on 200 commitments would Boeing be willing to launch the future generation of 737's with an order for 200 planes from one company?
AA737-823 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 6247 posts, RR: 9
Reply 2, posted (10 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 4275 times:
First off, let me correct a couple of your number.
The 787 was NOT launched with 200 committments. It was launched with just 50 from ANA!
Would they launch a plane with 200 committments? You bet your burger and fries they would! Because if any one airline were prepared to order 200+ aircraft, others would surely follow.
Boeing only wishes that they had 200 orders for several of their planes. The 747SP sold only 47. The MD-90 sold 128. The 717 will only sell roughly 175. As far as derivatives, the 757-300 only sold about 50. The 767-400 only 'raked in' orders for 40 or so. And the latest stress maker is the 777-2LR, which only had orders for FIVE aircraft until last week!
All that said, I think that Southwest would most certainly be THE launchcustomer for this airplane. Considering that they launched the 737-second gen by placing the first orders for the -300, and later launched the -500, and went on to launch the -700, it would only fit that they launch the 797.
NYC777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 5917 posts, RR: 45
Reply 4, posted (10 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 4173 times:
Boeing is not going to do anything with a 737 successor until they are comfortable with all aspects of the 787 (from design to manufacture to testing and customer support). That said I think that they most certainly launch a 737 successor around 2009-2010. By that time the 787 will be a mature program that would be very close to breaking even if not generating a profit for Boeing (bye bye 787 risk) and they're prepared to take on the risk of a narrow body using the 787 technology.
Small correction... Boeing only sold 45 of the 747SP. Pan Am cancelled two of the aircraft in its initial order (although they were assigned construction numbers).
Ironically, 45 was considered by Boeing to be the financial break-even point for the 747SP program... Initially Boeing had projected a potential market need for 200+ SPs, which of course turned out to be overly optimistic.
N1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 28846 posts, RR: 74
Reply 6, posted (10 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 4154 times:
Quoting Chazzerguy (Reply 5): Ironically, 45 was considered by Boeing to be the financial break-even point for the 747SP program... Initially Boeing had projected a potential market need for 200+ SPs, which of course turned out to be overly optimistic.
Well, it did not help the SP's cause that Boeing made the 747-200B capable enough for most missions and that the hub and spoke model made 1-stops much more common. Of course, the late-1985 launch of the 744, with similar range and far lower seat-mile costs made the final difference.
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Chazzerguy From United States of America, joined Jun 2002, 277 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (10 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 4092 times:
Well, the SP was designed for the routes that couldn't fill a 100/200 series... The so-called "long and thin" routes... But you are correct in saying that improvements made in the 200B made it difficult for the SP to markedly differentiate itself...
But, it was for certain the 400 series that was the nail in the coffin of the SP... It had the capacity of a full-size 747, and the range of an SP, combined with a glass cockpit... Just no comparison which plane a customer would want.
Only one SP was delivered after 1982, and that was what amounted to a one-off VIP custom job.
Ckfred From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 5780 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (10 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 3737 times:
If WN does become a launch customer for the next Boeing narrowbody, it would be interesting to see how much of the 737NG cockpit carries over to the new aircraft.
A friend of mine who flies for AA noticed while sitting in the jumpseat that the overhead panel of the 737-800 cockpit looks a lot like the overhead panel on the 727. One of the pilots flying said that because WN was the 737NG launch customer, Boeing designed the cockpit to have a lot of common features with older 737s.
If it weren't for WN, the 737NG cockpit would have an overhead panel more like the 757/767.