MrComet From Ireland, joined Mar 2005, 505 posts, RR: 8 Posted (8 years 12 months 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 8236 times:
Speculation was Airbus was going to announce AC orders in Paris. That ain't happening. What sales are likely being held until Paris? I know LOT hasn't announced which seems logical. Maybe some Iberia widebodies. What surprises does Airbus have up its wing?
Beaucaire From Syria, joined Sep 2003, 5252 posts, RR: 25
Reply 2, posted (8 years 12 months 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 8213 times:
Emirates will defenitely add some orders - maybe an announcement on the A380-900 ..
Wouldn't be surprised to see LH make some announcements ,also at least one other Middle East airline could jump in for some orders
MauriceB From Netherlands, joined Aug 2004, 2487 posts, RR: 26
Reply 12, posted (8 years 12 months 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 7816 times:
Well, I think that the A350 will get sort of a relaunch at Le Bourget and it will be a somehow different plane that was offered at first.
not in such a short time period!!! anyway i think we will see the announced 50 A350 orders... will be good!!! i really hope this happens (although im a hard-core boeing fan) Also i think we might see KLM Shopping for more A330's, or even A380's (although they announced they wan't the plane, but not yet, said that 4 months ago)...
RedFlyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 4252 posts, RR: 29
Reply 16, posted (8 years 12 months 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 7712 times:
Quoting MrComet (Reply 6): Leahy is promising 50 orders of the A350 and I suspect ILFC will give them about 20 orders.
I would have thought the same; however, do you think after the recent outright rejection of the 350 from some of Airbus' marquee clients that ILFC will go ahead and still order? IMHO, they would be at risk to place those a/c with clients in four years if they fork over the money to buy them.
Instead, I'm beginning to think they will leverage their buying power and influence with Airbus to push them to develop a new 350 (350NG - Ha! Next Gen for something that never existed to begin with) from scratch.
MrComet From Ireland, joined Mar 2005, 505 posts, RR: 8
Reply 17, posted (8 years 12 months 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 7687 times:
I doubt there will be too many A380 announcements because the 747ADV will likely keep BA, Cathay and maybe Lufthansa on the sideline until the issue of what Boeing is offering becomes clear. Boeing is now saying all over the place the 747ADV will be a reality. However, sounds like necessary posturing. It is still likely buyers will have to give the 747ADV a pretty good look over before they commit to A380s and that means sales will slow for a little while.
Gokmengs From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 1123 posts, RR: 2
Reply 18, posted (8 years 12 months 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 7654 times:
Quoting MrComet (Reply 17): doubt there will be too many A380 announcements because the 747ADV will likely keep BA, Cathay and maybe Lufthansa on the sideline until the issue of what Boeing is offering becomes clear.
well I dont know about BA and CX but LH already ordered the A380 and they WON'T order the 747ADV mark my words. If anything they will order more 380's.
WAH64D From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2005, 966 posts, RR: 14
Reply 19, posted (8 years 12 months 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 7587 times:
Quoting LifelinerOne (Reply 9): Well, I think that the A350 will get sort of a relaunch at Le Bourget and it will be a somehow different plane that was offered at first.
I think so too. Strange that since the A380 has now flown much to the dismay of the transatlantic anti-Airbus brigade, their focus has now turned to the A350.
A bit of advice boys, wait until you've built more than one fuselage section before you start trumpeting about the 787. What was the news we heard today? Oh yeah, well well well, the 787 is going to be overweight. On the basis of one fuselage section, I can't wait to see how much overweight its going to be when they finally manage to build the rest of it. What a surprise............... not!
Flashmeister From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 2896 posts, RR: 6
Reply 20, posted (8 years 12 months 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 7483 times:
WAH64D, read the news today again.
The news was not that the 787 "is going to be overweight".
The news was that at this point in time, it's overweight, although less so than 777 was at a comparable point in its development. And, certainly less on a percentage basis than A380 throughout its development.
The news is that Boeing has some work to do. News at eleven. Would you be all that surprised? And, that's the public word, most likely worse than what reality is.
KLMA330 From Canada, joined Feb 2005, 692 posts, RR: 2
Reply 22, posted (8 years 12 months 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 7400 times:
KLM will start to need replacing its narrowbodies soon.. they have tons of them that are getting old, i.e. 737-300's and so forth.
Airbus may announce the revamp of the A320 program, and I very much doubt they'll coin it as the NG... that's Boeing's terminology.
European airlines will order for sure, most likely AF, LH and IB. If BA keeps waiting, its 744's will probably have to last them as long as their 741's did. But hey, they are the most profitable airline, so they know what they're doing.
Probably more orders from the far East for the A380, especially if from now till then, the results of the test run of this plane are positive.
Flashmeister From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 2896 posts, RR: 6
Reply 24, posted (8 years 12 months 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 7275 times:
WAH64D, yes you do hear the same weight barbs being thrown, albeit by the other side, but for the same reason: ignorance of the fact that all aircraft -- probably most large assembly projects in general -- are bloated at this phase of their design.
You youself played that card that the 787 "will be overweight", when that was never the case, and your own argument in your last post proves it.
Please stop this garbage that somehow the 787 is getting some sort of free pass that the A380 or A350 hasn't. It's just simply not the case.
: I honestly don't see BA looking at it until after 2010. They have some well-maintained 747-400 aircraft which are not exactly ancient, and the 772 fl
: I think we'll see some good orders announced by Airbus at Paris. Even though some have been mentioned, here's my $.02 EK Will order more A380s, maybe
: If EK is going to order the A380-900, I would bet that Airbus will push it to be one of the launch customer for the A350. It is widely known now, that
: Maybe we'll se BA order more A320 family aircraft to finally replace the 737s, plus after them the CFM powered A320s and the remaining 757s. That coul
: A332F launch, definite market, little capital cost to launch
: Since AF bougth every Airbus with a GE on it, my guess is they will place an order for the 350.
: The A330-200F has been shelfed, so no launch here. I'd rather go with an A350-800F - way more payload and range and a nice compliment for a B777-200LR
: AF has already stated they're not interested in the 787/A350 at this stage, as they're still building their A332 fleet. However, they may officialy an
: It seems to me like it's just in too short a time for a credible A350 rebrand (and particularly a beefy launch order) to be announced there. Hopefully
: Summing up this and another thread, here is what a.netters think might be announced in Paris: ILFC = 10-20 A350s LOT = A350/A320 EK =50 A389/A350 IB =
: I think you can add CI to the CX "shall we go for A380 or 747Adv" group and a potential A380 order. They are probably waiting, like CX, to see if the
: My guess is that they'll concentrate on the undeniable good news - large number of orders still in hand, production going full blast etc. Not sure abo
: My guess this will be the first Hoopla over a redesigned upcoming 320 program with bleedless technology and more composites. Nothing like being the fi
: I'm in favour of the A350 being cut, it doesn't look too good as a competitor for the B787... Maybe, just maybe, Airbus' Paris announcement will be th
: I too think this is the perfect opportunity for Airbus to introduce plans for up a revamped A32X. If they launch it now, and start receiving orders fo
: KLM has a project with Air France and they are currently training pilots on the A320 and A330 at Air France. Now the A330 makes sense, but the A320 d
: How about IB and the A380? Isn´t it a option for them as well? As for KL, I rather see them ordering more 738+739 than Airbus.
: I don't see A announcing a composite A320 or any major upgrade of the A320. 1) A320s are selling well despite the 737NG and so the profit is good. The
: It does make sense doesn't it if KL sticks with the B737NG for its B737 classic replacement, however, This could go either way I think. Why? Well AF
: I would also like to see Airbus announce a A320NG, but like the others have said, I think it's still too early for Airbus to come up with details on t
: How much of an investment in money and personnel would Airbus need for a A380 stretch? Is anyone other than EK interested in it? Would it be be a wis