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What Will Airbus Announce At Paris Air Show?  
User currently offlineMrComet From Ireland, joined Mar 2005, 561 posts, RR: 8
Posted (9 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 8436 times:

Speculation was Airbus was going to announce AC orders in Paris. That ain't happening. What sales are likely being held until Paris? I know LOT hasn't announced which seems logical. Maybe some Iberia widebodies. What surprises does Airbus have up its wing?


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User currently offlineRaginMav From United States of America, joined May 2004, 376 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (9 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 8412 times:

How about the cancellation of the A350 program?  duck 

User currently offlineBeaucaire From Syria, joined Sep 2003, 5252 posts, RR: 25
Reply 2, posted (9 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 8413 times:

Emirates will defenitely add some orders - maybe an announcement on the A380-900 ..
Wouldn't be surprised to see LH make some announcements ,also at least one other Middle East airline could jump in for some orders



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User currently offlineFriendlySkies From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 4120 posts, RR: 5
Reply 3, posted (9 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 8399 times:

Quoting RaginMav (Reply 1):
How about the cancellation of the A350 program?

Damn, you beat me to it...


User currently offlineLehpron From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 7028 posts, RR: 21
Reply 4, posted (9 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 8392 times:

Quoting RaginMav (Reply 1):
How about the cancellation of the A350 program?

I second the motion.

All in favor say "Yay"...those not in favor say "nay"



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User currently offlineRichard28 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2003, 1628 posts, RR: 6
Reply 5, posted (9 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 8356 times:

Quoting MrComet (Thread starter):
Speculation was Airbus was going to announce AC orders in Paris. That ain't happening.

Hang on, Paris Air Show hasnt happened yet, why is it not happening?

Quoting MrComet (Thread starter):
What surprises does Airbus have up its wing?

The answer is in your question. I've highlighted the key word in bold to make it easier  Wink


User currently offlineMrComet From Ireland, joined Mar 2005, 561 posts, RR: 8
Reply 6, posted (9 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 8340 times:

Not likely.

Airplanes have loud births but quiet deaths. Leahy is promising 50 orders of the A350 and I suspect ILFC will give them about 20 orders.



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User currently offlineLeelaw From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (9 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 8328 times:

Quoting RaginMav (Reply 1):
How about the cancellation of the A350 program?

Why would Airbus acknowledge a failure at a marquee event/venue? IMO, Airbus will likely be trying to hype the A350 at Paris.


User currently offlineKeta From Germany, joined Mar 2005, 448 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (9 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 8171 times:

Quoting Beaucaire (Reply 2):
Emirates will defenitely add some orders - maybe an announcement on the A380-900 ..

I agree, that's at least what it's been commented here. I don't know about more rumors, maybe some A350 orders from some European airline (IB?)

Quoting RaginMav (Reply 1):
How about the cancellation of the A350 program?

Better, the announcement that they will do a brand new plane!  biggrin 

Quoting Richard28 (Reply 5):
Hang on, Paris Air Show hasnt happened yet, why is it not happening?

AC ordered Boeing widebody planes two days ago



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User currently offlineLifelinerOne From Netherlands, joined Nov 2003, 1938 posts, RR: 8
Reply 9, posted (9 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 8139 times:

Quoting Keta (Reply 8):
Better, the announcement that they will do a brand new plane!

Well, I think that the A350 will get sort of a relaunch at Le Bourget and it will be a somehow different plane that was offered at first.

Launch customer; NWA  duck  Big grin

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User currently offlinePlaneSmart From New Zealand, joined Dec 2004, 1072 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (9 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 8089 times:

Airbus announcements
A38 under-weight.
Second version of the A38 freighter.
A347 / A36
Preferred location of US plant

Perhaps customer announcements will include BA and AC


User currently offlineAA737-823 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 5943 posts, RR: 11
Reply 11, posted (9 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 8034 times:

But AC went Boeing.
And rumor has it that BA is not interested, either. BA is supposedly one of the carriers involved in talks over the 747Adv.

I am sure they will announce something, as they always do.


User currently offlineMauriceB From Netherlands, joined Aug 2004, 2491 posts, RR: 25
Reply 12, posted (9 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 8016 times:

Well, I think that the A350 will get sort of a relaunch at Le Bourget and it will be a somehow different plane that was offered at first.


not in such a short time period!!! anyway i think we will see the announced 50 A350 orders... will be good!!! i really hope this happens (although im a hard-core boeing fan) Also i think we might see KLM Shopping for more A330's, or even A380's (although they announced they wan't the plane, but not yet, said that 4 months ago)...


User currently onlineEA CO AS From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 13741 posts, RR: 61
Reply 13, posted (9 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 7989 times:
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i think we will see the announced 50 A350 orders...

From.....?  sarcastic 



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User currently offlineByrdluvs747 From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 2462 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (9 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 7969 times:

Airbus is going to announce that their rears are sore from being kicked all over the globe by Boeing. Big grin

Quoting Richard28 (Reply 5):
Hang on, Paris Air Show hasnt happened yet, why is it not happening?

LOL! Dude where have you been this week.

Quoting Keta (Reply 8):
I don't know about more rumors, maybe some A350 orders from some European airline (IB?)

Leave it to IB to do something stupid.

Quoting AA737-823 (Reply 11):
And rumor has it that BA is not interested, either. BA is supposedly one of the carriers involved in talks over the 747Adv.

If so BA can count on a J ticket from me. I'd like to be on the 747Adv's maiden flight.



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User currently offlineMorvious From Netherlands, joined Feb 2005, 707 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (9 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 7938 times:

Quoting EA CO AS (Reply 13):
i think we will see the announced 50 A350 orders...

From.....?

Rich people working for airbus Big grin

Quoting MauriceB (Reply 12):
KLM Shopping for more A330's, or even A380's

I think KLM will order more when they have the A330 in service for some time.

The A380 could be announced more at the show. I think Emirates will be announced at Dubai.



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User currently offlineRedFlyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 4376 posts, RR: 28
Reply 16, posted (9 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 7912 times:

Quoting MrComet (Reply 6):
Leahy is promising 50 orders of the A350 and I suspect ILFC will give them about 20 orders.

I would have thought the same; however, do you think after the recent outright rejection of the 350 from some of Airbus' marquee clients that ILFC will go ahead and still order? IMHO, they would be at risk to place those a/c with clients in four years if they fork over the money to buy them.

Instead, I'm beginning to think they will leverage their buying power and influence with Airbus to push them to develop a new 350 (350NG - Ha! Next Gen for something that never existed to begin with) from scratch.

Best regards,

R



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User currently offlineMrComet From Ireland, joined Mar 2005, 561 posts, RR: 8
Reply 17, posted (9 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 7887 times:

I doubt there will be too many A380 announcements because the 747ADV will likely keep BA, Cathay and maybe Lufthansa on the sideline until the issue of what Boeing is offering becomes clear. Boeing is now saying all over the place the 747ADV will be a reality. However, sounds like necessary posturing. It is still likely buyers will have to give the 747ADV a pretty good look over before they commit to A380s and that means sales will slow for a little while.


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User currently offlineGokmengs From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 1125 posts, RR: 2
Reply 18, posted (9 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 7854 times:

Quoting MrComet (Reply 17):
doubt there will be too many A380 announcements because the 747ADV will likely keep BA, Cathay and maybe Lufthansa on the sideline until the issue of what Boeing is offering becomes clear.

well I dont know about BA and CX but LH already ordered the A380 and they WON'T order the 747ADV mark my words. If anything they will order more 380's.



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User currently offlineWAH64D From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2005, 966 posts, RR: 14
Reply 19, posted (9 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 7787 times:

Quoting LifelinerOne (Reply 9):
Well, I think that the A350 will get sort of a relaunch at Le Bourget and it will be a somehow different plane that was offered at first.

I think so too. Strange that since the A380 has now flown much to the dismay of the transatlantic anti-Airbus brigade, their focus has now turned to the A350.

A bit of advice boys, wait until you've built more than one fuselage section before you start trumpeting about the 787. What was the news we heard today? Oh yeah, well well well, the 787 is going to be overweight. On the basis of one fuselage section, I can't wait to see how much overweight its going to be when they finally manage to build the rest of it. What a surprise............... not!

[Edited 2005-04-27 22:41:16]


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User currently offlineFlashmeister From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 2903 posts, RR: 6
Reply 20, posted (9 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 7683 times:
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WAH64D, read the news today again.

The news was not that the 787 "is going to be overweight".

The news was that at this point in time, it's overweight, although less so than 777 was at a comparable point in its development. And, certainly less on a percentage basis than A380 throughout its development.

The news is that Boeing has some work to do. News at eleven. Would you be all that surprised? And, that's the public word, most likely worse than what reality is.


User currently offlineWAH64D From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2005, 966 posts, RR: 14
Reply 21, posted (9 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 7596 times:

Quoting Flashmeister (Reply 20):
The news is that Boeing has some work to do. News at eleven. Would you be all that surprised? And, that's the public word, most likely worse than what reality is.

Not surprised in the slightest. Has there ever been an aircraft that hasn't been over target weight during development?

My point is that you don't hear the same jibes directed towards Boeing that you did from a variety of people that give the A380 a hard time for her "spare tyre".



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User currently offlineKLMA330 From Canada, joined Feb 2005, 697 posts, RR: 2
Reply 22, posted (9 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 7600 times:

KLM will start to need replacing its narrowbodies soon.. they have tons of them that are getting old, i.e. 737-300's and so forth.

Airbus may announce the revamp of the A320 program, and I very much doubt they'll coin it as the NG... that's Boeing's terminology.

European airlines will order for sure, most likely AF, LH and IB. If BA keeps waiting, its 744's will probably have to last them as long as their 741's did. But hey, they are the most profitable airline, so they know what they're doing.

Probably more orders from the far East for the A380, especially if from now till then, the results of the test run of this plane are positive.

IMHO anyway.
Cheers,
Billy.


User currently offlineVulindlela744 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 526 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (9 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 7474 times:

I think you are all wrong about the A380 and British Airways. They want to be a leader and not a follower. They will eventually realize that they need the A380 in their fleet.

User currently offlineFlashmeister From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 2903 posts, RR: 6
Reply 24, posted (9 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 7475 times:
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WAH64D, yes you do hear the same weight barbs being thrown, albeit by the other side, but for the same reason: ignorance of the fact that all aircraft -- probably most large assembly projects in general -- are bloated at this phase of their design.

You youself played that card that the 787 "will be overweight", when that was never the case, and your own argument in your last post proves it.

Please stop this garbage that somehow the 787 is getting some sort of free pass that the A380 or A350 hasn't. It's just simply not the case.


25 WhiteHatter : I honestly don't see BA looking at it until after 2010. They have some well-maintained 747-400 aircraft which are not exactly ancient, and the 772 fl
26 PANAM_DC10 : I think we'll see some good orders announced by Airbus at Paris. Even though some have been mentioned, here's my $.02 EK Will order more A380s, maybe
27 KL808 : If EK is going to order the A380-900, I would bet that Airbus will push it to be one of the launch customer for the A350. It is widely known now, that
28 FlyCaledonian : Maybe we'll se BA order more A320 family aircraft to finally replace the 737s, plus after them the CFM powered A320s and the remaining 757s. That coul
29 Trex8 : A332F launch, definite market, little capital cost to launch
30 AirbusCanada : Since AF bougth every Airbus with a GE on it, my guess is they will place an order for the 350.
31 Flying-Tiger : The A330-200F has been shelfed, so no launch here. I'd rather go with an A350-800F - way more payload and range and a nice compliment for a B777-200LR
32 AF-A319 : AF has already stated they're not interested in the 787/A350 at this stage, as they're still building their A332 fleet. However, they may officialy an
33 Post contains images Mark_D. : It seems to me like it's just in too short a time for a credible A350 rebrand (and particularly a beefy launch order) to be announced there. Hopefully
34 MrComet : Summing up this and another thread, here is what a.netters think might be announced in Paris: ILFC = 10-20 A350s LOT = A350/A320 EK =50 A389/A350 IB =
35 Trex8 : I think you can add CI to the CX "shall we go for A380 or 747Adv" group and a potential A380 order. They are probably waiting, like CX, to see if the
36 NAV20 : My guess is that they'll concentrate on the undeniable good news - large number of orders still in hand, production going full blast etc. Not sure abo
37 Okie : My guess this will be the first Hoopla over a redesigned upcoming 320 program with bleedless technology and more composites. Nothing like being the fi
38 QantasA380 : I'm in favour of the A350 being cut, it doesn't look too good as a competitor for the B787... Maybe, just maybe, Airbus' Paris announcement will be th
39 KLMA330 : I too think this is the perfect opportunity for Airbus to introduce plans for up a revamped A32X. If they launch it now, and start receiving orders fo
40 LifelinerOne : KLM has a project with Air France and they are currently training pilots on the A320 and A330 at Air France. Now the A330 makes sense, but the A320 d
41 OHLHD : How about IB and the A380? Isn´t it a option for them as well? As for KL, I rather see them ordering more 738+739 than Airbus.
42 MrComet : I don't see A announcing a composite A320 or any major upgrade of the A320. 1) A320s are selling well despite the 737NG and so the profit is good. The
43 KL808 : It does make sense doesn't it if KL sticks with the B737NG for its B737 classic replacement, however, This could go either way I think. Why? Well AF
44 A388 : I would also like to see Airbus announce a A320NG, but like the others have said, I think it's still too early for Airbus to come up with details on t
45 Atmx2000 : How much of an investment in money and personnel would Airbus need for a A380 stretch? Is anyone other than EK interested in it? Would it be be a wis
46 HAWK21M : A380 Stretch..... regds MEL
47 NorCal : Seeing the numbers that EK orders them and seeing their current profit levels, I don't see why not. EK themselves might justify the program. Eventual
48 DAYflyer : Nah, I think Emirates and LOT will order the A-350 and it will be announced at Paris. With the way things are going, that may be the only other order
49 Revelation : I doubt it, for most of the reasons that MrComet and others have given. Also wouldn't it be a marketing blunder: on the same day you show the A380 to
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