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World's Most Loyal McDonnell Douglas Customer?  
User currently offlineAirEMS From United States of America, joined May 2004, 684 posts, RR: 3
Posted (9 years 6 months 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 9070 times:

I thought with the A380 having completed it's first flight I would ask the question - Who was, or still is the worlds most loyal Mcdonnell Douglas customer? Well if there was one? I thought it might be nice to think about a company that at one time made some really great aircraft...  old 


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User currently offlineTriStar500 From Germany, joined Nov 1999, 4695 posts, RR: 42
Reply 1, posted (9 years 6 months 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 9049 times:

Do you mean in absolute numbers purchased, number of aircraft operated or time span between first purchase/ operation and last purchase/ operation?


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User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26620 posts, RR: 75
Reply 2, posted (9 years 6 months 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 9042 times:

SR and AC were most definately loyal MDC customers, as was JL


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User currently offlineSHUPirate1 From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 3670 posts, RR: 16
Reply 3, posted (9 years 6 months 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 9020 times:

Wouldn't that award have gone to American, with their endless supply of MD-80's?


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User currently offlineSabena332 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (9 years 6 months 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 9018 times:

Alitalia maybe?

Patrick


User currently onlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20749 posts, RR: 62
Reply 5, posted (9 years 6 months 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 9012 times:

I think Finnair holds the crown, at least in the jet era. They flew DC-8, DC-9, DC-10 and MD-80 jets, and are still picking up MD-11's on the used market so you could still call them an "active" MD customer. Not sure of what they flew in the prop era.

Second thought would be KLM, who had DC-2's in the early 1930's, and still fly MD-11's, but they aren't currently buying up used MD models.

Cheers.



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User currently offlineLeelaw From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (9 years 6 months 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 8939 times:

How about Delta: DC-8, DC-9, MD-80, MD-11, MD-90?

User currently offlineODAFZ From Afghanistan, joined Jul 2004, 357 posts, RR: 5
Reply 7, posted (9 years 6 months 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 8934 times:

I hope we are not going to forget SAS which operated a wide range of MD air craftS ranging from the DC8, DC9-20. DC9-40, The MD-80 series and DC10

Austrian Airlines whose all fleet until the advent of airbus was MDC aircrafts (except a 707 operated for a brief period of time on VIE-BRU-JFK)

Delta airlines was also a very good customer of the Long Beach manufacturer (DC8,DC9,MD80, MD90, MD 11)


User currently offlineAirEMS From United States of America, joined May 2004, 684 posts, RR: 3
Reply 8, posted (9 years 6 months 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 8894 times:

TriStar500 how about all of thoes?


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User currently offlineAlitalia744 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 4753 posts, RR: 45
Reply 9, posted (9 years 6 months 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 8842 times:

Quoting SHUPirate1 (Reply 3):
Wouldn't that award have gone to American, with their endless supply of MD-80's?

American has MD-80's?

*Giggle*



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User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26620 posts, RR: 75
Reply 10, posted (9 years 6 months 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 8842 times:

Quoting Leelaw (Reply 6):
How about Delta: DC-8, DC-9, MD-80, MD-11, MD-90?



Quoting ODAFZ (Reply 7):
Delta airlines was also a very good customer of the Long Beach manufacturer (DC8,DC9,MD80, MD90, MD 11)

They also flew a few DC-10s for a brief period.



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User currently offlineSHUPirate1 From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 3670 posts, RR: 16
Reply 11, posted (9 years 6 months 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 8823 times:

Quoting Alitalia744 (Reply 9):
American has MD-80's?

You must be from Miami.  Wink



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User currently offlineHodja From Singapore, joined Apr 2004, 91 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (9 years 6 months 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 8782 times:
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Quoting ODAFZ (Reply 7):

I seem to remember, that SK was actually the biggest DC9/MD8* operator outside North America at one point...


User currently offlineJoKeR From Serbia, joined Nov 2004, 2238 posts, RR: 9
Reply 13, posted (9 years 6 months 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 8761 times:

Considering the size of its fleet, JAT's DC-9s and DC-10s (previously with the DC-3s and DC-6s) formed quite a large part of it, hence definitely a loyal McDonnell Douglas client for over 40 years!


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User currently offlineTAN FLYR From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 1916 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (9 years 6 months 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 8750 times:

Hey Guys..what about TWA...The first DC-3 and the last MD-80..Hmmm. From the mid 1930's to Dec. 1999(?)or even the MD-95? (B717)

Granted , there was a period of time from the late 70's or early 80's when they got rid of the early DC-9-15's until the first MD-80 came on in 1982 or 83 that there was no DC/MD product on the roster..but overall they were a long time customer.


User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26620 posts, RR: 75
Reply 15, posted (9 years 6 months 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 8725 times:

Quoting TAN FLYR (Reply 14):
Hey Guys..what about TWA...The first DC-3 and the last MD-80..Hmmm. From the mid 1930's to Dec. 1999(?)or even the MD-95? (B717)

Granted , there was a period of time from the late 70's or early 80's when they got rid of the early DC-9-15's until the first MD-80 came on in 1982 or 83 that there was no DC/MD product on the roster..but overall they were a long time customer.

Actually, they flew the ONLY DC-1. Still, after Howard Hughes took over, they became very loyal to Lockheed and were the world's premier Connie operator, as well as flying L1011s to supplement the 747s.



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User currently offlineDtw9 From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 1166 posts, RR: 2
Reply 16, posted (9 years 6 months 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 8690 times:

TWA is a good one, as they took the first DC-2 and the last MD-83. They are the ones who started it all for Doug and ended it all .[remember the 717 is really a doug but called a boeing, so twa took the last McDonnell-Douglas aircraft produced]

User currently offlineLeelaw From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (9 years 6 months 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 8665 times:

Quoting N1120A (Reply 10):
They also flew a few DC-10s for a brief period.

Indeed. They leased 5 from UA (which arrived factory fresh) in the seventies (72-75) as a hedge against potential delays in delivery of its TriStars (during the Rolls Royce crisis). They also inherited a rather large fleet of DC-10s (9) when they acquired Western Airlines in '87. However, these were disposed of within a couple of years.

I'm not sure Delta met the customer "loyalty test" when it came to the DC-10.


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User currently offlineElwood64151 From United States of America, joined Feb 2002, 2477 posts, RR: 6
Reply 18, posted (9 years 6 months 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 8655 times:

Well, one could argue that ValuJet/AirTran was an extremely loyal MD customer. They started with the DC-9, picked up some MD-80s at one point, dropped the 737s after the merger, and kept the MD-95/717 program alive. Only now that Boeing has ended the 717 program are they buying the 737...

Granted they do not have the history that the other airlines do, but one has to admit that they stayed with MD even after their acquisition.



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User currently offlineOHLBU From Finland, joined Jan 2005, 226 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (9 years 6 months 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 8649 times:

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 5):
I think Finnair holds the crown, at least in the jet era



Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 5):
Not sure of what they flew in the prop era

Finnair flew DC-2s (acquired from CSA before WW2) and a large number of DC-3s. One of the latter is still in flying condition and operated by DC ry (club providing flights for it´s members).

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It dates from -42 and was originally ordered by PanAm. I had a chance to fly on it a year ago from Helsinki-Malmi to Tallin, a great experience!

Finnair (and it´s predecessor Aero OY) was a very loyal Douglas customer and although MD-80s will be withrawn from service next year they are currently looking to boost the MD11-fleet to 7 aircraft.


User currently offlineOzarkD9S From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 5158 posts, RR: 21
Reply 20, posted (9 years 6 months 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 8610 times:

Well this is a stretch, but Ozark for a period of time was an exclusive MDD operator, DC-9-10/30/40, MD-80. Just had to get Ozark in there somehow.

But I think the awards would go to any operator who operated DC-8/9/10's, and/or MD-80/11.



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User currently offlineIsitsafenow From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 4984 posts, RR: 23
Reply 21, posted (9 years 6 months 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 8583 times:

This question needs to be fine tuned. McDonnell Douglas did NOT come to be
until the very late 60's. Before that it was Douglas.

Eastern with DC 4,6,7,8 and 9 and a couple of DC 10's(leased).
UA with DC 4,6,7, 8 and 10
Not TWA...they went with Lockheed and Boeing in the 50's and 60's
safe



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User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26620 posts, RR: 75
Reply 22, posted (9 years 6 months 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 8560 times:

Quoting Elwood64151 (Reply 18):
They started with the DC-9, picked up some MD-80s at one point, dropped the 737s after the merger, and kept the MD-95/717 program alive. Only now that Boeing has ended the 717 program are they buying the 737...

The elusive Elwood returns. How are you buddy? Anyway, just 2 small things there. With the 732s, they actually flew them until 2003 AFAIK. Also, they went 737 because of lack of range on the 717 and Boeings refusal to build the 717-300



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User currently onlineFriendlySkies From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 4113 posts, RR: 5
Reply 23, posted (9 years 6 months 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 8533 times:

It's obviously NW...look at all those DC-9s they won't get rid of!  Wink

(someone had to say it)


User currently offlineMatt27 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (9 years 6 months 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 8533 times:

Quoting Hodja (Reply 12):
I seem to remember, that SK was actually the biggest DC9/MD8* operator outside North America at one point...

well, the DC9s are out of the fleet since a few years, and now the short-and medium range fleet mostly consists of MD80s/MD90s. Back in the 1980s SAS also used the DC-10.

...by the way I think a MD-11 would look awesome in SAS c/s...

//Mattias


25 Leelaw : Unfortunately, none of these were purchased new from McDonnell Douglas.
26 BillElliott9 : NW: DC-3, DC-4, DC-6, DC-7, DC-8, DC-9*, MD-80*, and DC-10. Not too bad. * From RC; all the rest were NW purchases.
27 D950 : Swissair had at one time or another, DC7, DC8, DC9(launch) 30 and 50 series, DC10, MD80, MD11. Moris is still using MDD with his MD90's at Hello!
28 Prebennorholm : SAS was during long periods of time operating Douglas or MD planes exclusively. They have had loads of practically all types since the DC-3. DC-3, DC-
29 Isitsafenow : FRIENDLYSKYS........ Hard to believe but Northwest did not buy one DC9 from the factory....not.........one. safe
30 Post contains links Copenhagenboy : SAS have been using DC 3, DC 4, DC 6, DC 7, DC 8, different models of DC 9, DC 10, MD 81/82/83, MD 87 and also MD 90. In many years they had a very cl
31 Post contains images FriendlySkies : Crap, I always forget that...oh well, they still fly them like they did!
32 Post contains links and images CEO@AFG : Well SAS sure loved the Douglas/McDonnell Douglas products, and even had a type custom made just for SAS, who was the only operator. DC 9-21 They oper
33 N1120A : Actually, they took the first and only DC-1 FL will be the ones to take the last MDC aircraft produced, if you count the 717 as an MDC aircraft
34 Post contains links and images Fly727 : Aeromexico has to be among the most loyal customers for MDD/DC. They have had: DC-3 DC-4 DC-6 DC-8-21/51/61/62/63. DC-9-14/15/25/31/32. DC-10-15/30 MD
35 Dtw9 : Actually Lufthansa took delivery of the last MDD product the MD-11F{I forgot] As far as the 717 goes, it is a MDD design, but is delivered as a Boeing
36 Dtwclipper : Are you sure that SR was the launch for the DC-9-30? IB was the first euro operator of the -30 on 29 July 1967.
37 JFKLGANYC : TWA!!! First and last commercial airplane from douglas/md
38 Post contains images Aloha73G : Hawaiian is not too shabby. From their first DC-9 until the 763s a few years back they had a pure McD fleet (DC9, DC10, DC8). Throw in a few L10s and
39 Post contains images Commavia : LOL I think that based on just numbers, AA is probably the leader, having taken delivery of 314 new Douglas and McDonnell Douglas aircraft since 1970
40 N867BX : Hughes Airwest, North Central, and Southern purchased a bunch from the factory and are part of NW. Its not like NW purchased all of them second hand.
41 Ha763 : You can also throw in the DC-3 (what airline didn't use this aircraft?), DC-6, and I'm pretty sure they had the DC-7. I can't remember if they had th
42 EddieDude : It is very interesting how the 2 leading Mexican carriers, with some interruptions, have been or plan to be "married" to a specific manufacturer. As
43 BAW716 : I would have to say it would be a close call between SAS and Alitalia. Alitalia was the largest MD80 operator in Europe, having some 90 MD80 aircraft
44 Post contains images DeeCee3 : Laker Airways (not Laker Airways Bahamas) flew nothing but DCs... ...of course, they weren't around very long but that wasn't the question
45 Jwenting : KLM... Straight line from the DC-2 to the MD-11, ordering just about every type Douglas ever built. Only the MD-80/90 series and the DC-1 never flew i
46 Doona : Wasn't the DC-9-40 also developed especially for SAS? Although it seems it had better success with other airlines than the -21... Cheers Mats
47 Post contains links Gemuser : KLM seems to be missing from this thread they were a v-e-r-y l-o-n-g time Douglas customer: DC-2 DC-3 DC-4 *DC-5* only Airline Operator DC-6 DC-7C/7F
48 Doona : What the hell is wrong with some people in this forum? Read the goddamn threads!!! Look: Jeez... Cheers Mats
49 Vatry : Apart of course from 707's
50 Gemuser : Mats Look at the time stamps. Jwentings post arrived at this outer end of the internet while I was typing my reply, I could not see it until I had pos
51 SwissA330 : Swissair also had lots of different DC/MDD Jets: (not in absolute numbers though) DC-2 (6, 1936-1952) DC-3, DC-3D, C-47B, C47A (totally 16, 1937-'69)
52 Cornish : Well I gues the most loyal customers are those who bought plenty of DCs/MDs AND didn't operate a rival product to one of MDDs offerings. If that was t
53 DIJKKIJK : I agree. KLM has to be right up there. KLM has flown the DC2, DC3, DC4, DC6, DC7, DC9, DC10 and the MD11.
54 Leelaw : That's one assessment. However, if monetary value of sales and contribution to the bottom line is also a valid measure of loyalty, considering the la
55 Cornish : See I would see that as AA possibly being MDD's BEST customer rather than most LOYAL customer. I guess it comes down to your definition of 'loyal' re
56 NWADC9 : They also were thinking about the MD-11 when it was called the MD-100, I believe...
57 BALandorLivery : KLM SIMPLY FOR TAKING SO MANY MD11's
58 United Airline : LH Cargo maybe??????????????
59 NWADC9 : Don't forget the DC-5
60 OURBOEING : Northwest KLM AA TWA (was) Swiss (used to be)
61 C133 : If KLM flew the DC-5 (!) they win the prize, hands down. End of discussion.
62 NWADC9 : They bought and flew 4 out of the 12 made.
63 Post contains images A332 : Sounds like you've never been to DFW before...
64 Ilgrancapo : I think Alitalia holds the first position. DC-8, DC-9, D10, M11, M80 series...
65 Post contains images AirEMS : I must say I'm all excited I finally made the home page with a forum topic that I started woohoo! Fly Safe -Carl
66 PHLBOS : Other than the 80+ 717s (aka MD-95), not one DC-9 (J7/FL) or MD-80 (J7 only) that J7/FL flew was came to them factory fresh from Long Beach. Nope, th
67 Post contains links and images AlitaliaMD11 : My vote goes for Thai Airways. They operated: DC-3 DC-4 DC-6 DC-8 DC-9 DC-10 MD-11 View Large View MediumPhoto © Mel Lawrence View Large View Med
68 Post contains images AeroWesty : Read Reply #5.
69 AeroWesty : I am green with envy. Is it in the original (or close to) interior and available for public view?
70 MakeMinesLAX : In the case of Hughes Airwest, "a few" is more accurate. They operated a significant number of former CO and EA birds.
71 Bohica : As long as nothing was said at the beginning of this topic that the answer had to be civilian, My guess would be the United States Air Force. God only
72 Post contains links Eilennaei : Unfortunately like many a DC-3/C-47, it has been rebuilt many times over. The config cycle was (Civilian-Military) C-M-C-M-C (restored). While in C t
73 Post contains links and images Joost : And the DC8 also: View Large View MediumPhoto © Paul Kipping
74 Texdravid : In the U.S. probably AA as they had a huge DC-10 fleet and still have a significant (unfortunately!!) large MD-80 fleet. In Europe, KLM had extensive
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