Shawnnyc From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 241 posts, RR: 0 Reply 5, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 3716 times:
I would have thought IAD would come before IAH. DC's Indian population is significantly higher than Houston's. SF needs to be added ASAP. Up to the mid 90's LA used to have a higher Indian population than SF. Now if you use the Census department's updated numbers since the 2000 census, the SF metro has about 235,000 Indians while LA has about about 145,000 (not to mention more business traffic to India). SF has the second largest Indian population in the US after the NY metro area.
Texdravid From United States of America, joined May 2004, 1313 posts, RR: 0 Reply 6, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 3704 times:
Everyone needs to stop the "AI needs to come to xxx and NOT to yyy".
To be honest, there are enough Indians spread out over many U.S. metros to warrant AI service. Some metros will merit daily service, and others maybe several times a week. Either way, let's all hope that one day, AI will have a reach into the U.S.A. a la AF, BA, or LH.
Shawnnyc From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 241 posts, RR: 0 Reply 9, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 3643 times:
Quoting Texdravid (Reply 8): Stop making people in Bangalore, Madras, Hyderabad stop in BOM first before heading west. It's insulting and a waste of time.
I think insulting is a bit harsh. I have flown many times AI JFK-LHR-DEL-BOM and never felt insulted that the flight stopped in DEL so I don't know why someone in BLR should. AI needs a hub that people can easily transit in and flights from the hub that are nonstop so people can reach their destinations in one stop. US airlines rely on the fact that people will connect once (and here we have to clear customs at the first US stop even when we are supposedly on a flight say LHR-jfk-lax. In India you don't).
Its interesting that Jet / Sahara are not jumping first to fly from BLR or HYD to the West. Rather they want to fly BOM / DEL to the West first even with a TON of competition. That should speak something about the market and aviation relalities.
All of the above being said, I think Indian carriers must quickly set up secondary hubs in a smaller city to capitalize on the growth in traffic (love Sahara's HYD hub, they should fly to London from there first). At least one Indian carrier should be flying from the main Indian cities nonstop to say NYC. But I don't know if AI needs to serve all these cities nonstop to the US. I liked their FRA hub idea (which seems long forgotten).
Jr From United States of America, joined May 1999, 965 posts, RR: 6 Reply 12, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 3451 times:
I don't know about the proud south indian part, but practicality makes the current AI routings a royal pain in the ass to really make it work for most of us. If AI really started easier, more practical routings with the new aircraft they have ordered, I would be all for using them on a more regular basis.
Quoting Texdravid (Reply 6): let's all hope that one day, AI will have a reach into the U.S.A. a la AF, BA, or LH.
Now that would be nice if it ever happened. AI would have to be taken seriously by the competition if and when that happens.
p.s: OT: Has AI ever considered joining any of the alliances? Any background or info on that?
Texdravid From United States of America, joined May 2004, 1313 posts, RR: 0 Reply 13, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 3443 times:
Because we are sick and tired of having inferior service on AI. AI clearly favors and caters to the North Indians with their schedules.
That's why a lot of South Indians fly airlines that bypass BOM/DEL like LH, BA and next month, DL.
It's like if an airline only offered transatlantic flights out of JFK and IAD and a person in a place like ORD or MIA had to connect first to those cities before flying transatlantic. How long would that last in America?
Jaysit From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 16, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 3405 times:
Well, if you're a "proud" South Indian, I guess you're also a proud Indian.
But giving your business to LH, BA, AF, EK, etc, your "south indian pride" (whatever that may be, God only knows) is essentially filling European and Arab coffers.
In any case, there is no reason why Air India should have nonstops from every South Indian port just to appease your hurt sentiments. Have nonstops if it makes business sense. Its not like Lufthansa flies you nonstop to Texas from Madras - you go through its hub in FRA; ditto for AI -- you go through its western hub of BOM. The next thing you know, Mizoram will claim Mizoram pride, and Biharis will claim BIhari pride (not that they have anything to be proud of), and it will never end.
Karan69 From India, joined Oct 2004, 2850 posts, RR: 19 Reply 17, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 3394 times:
Quoting Jaysit (Reply 16): But giving your business to LH, BA, AF, EK, etc, your "south indian pride" (whatever that may be, God only knows) is essentially filling European and Arab coffers.
Well said Jay.
I dont see Brits complaining that BA flies 90% international destinitions from it hub at LHR, they perhaps have few or no flights [transatlantic/asian] from cities of Manchester, Birmingham, Cardiff etc..
Then why complain if AI takes it pax from its hubs at BOM or DEL
Well if you like BOM or DEL layovers, then keep using them. For the rest of us, many of us who are proud South Indians, we want and deserve to go to the west without stopping in BOM or DEL.
What does the North / South thing have to do with it? I grew up in LA, and we connected in NY for many of our Europe and India flights (just as I connect in LA today for my flights to BKK). Your issue should be with AI's limited resources and not the North/South ethnic card. AI screws everyone. Flying from BOM to the east you have to fly through DEL or MAA. That's just AI's thing...its not discrimination. Btw the group that should complain the most are Gujaratis. They are the most numerous in the States, and they have to fly EWR-CDG-BOM-AMD. But unlike you, they thanked AI for introducing same plane service to their city.
I won't comment on the North / South thing except that I can't believe people still bring that up in 2005. I, and all my other friends born here, would never describe or label someone as anything other than Indian.
TRVYYZ From Canada, joined Oct 2004, 1365 posts, RR: 10 Reply 22, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 3206 times:
Quoting Texdravid (Reply 13): That's why a lot of South Indians fly airlines that bypass BOM/DEL like LH, BA and next month, DL.
Wow, now we have fight different from the 1st world and 3rd world, India-Pak etc. Now it is within India itself.
Myself being a Keralite from Trivandrum, I can have a fight on TRV and COK issue also, but I don't care.
It has got nothing to do with pride or hatred towards the north, it's like everybody loves their home place.
Personally, I would never fly out of India from BOM or even COK.
But Bombay, as a place, is one of the cities I like the most, but I wouldn't want to fly from that airport for only one reason, not because of any pride issue, it is simply inconvenient and I have better options. I can fly a dozen( exagerrated) flights from TRV completing customs/immigration. It is best to finish all formalities at the boarding point itself, if at BOM they give me some problem,deny boarding etc. I'll be nowhere.
JoyA380B747 From India, joined Mar 2005, 447 posts, RR: 1 Reply 23, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 3175 times:
Quoting Texdravid (Reply 8): AI needs direct, nonstop flights from MULTIPLE gateways to India to Europe/USA.
It is high time AI must put things right. Otherwise we will see the US carriers rushing in with better connections to/from US. And then there is Jet Airways, which might spell wonders at any time.
Speaking of AI, I think along with IAH-SFO, SEA and IAD might also be considered as I had read a newspaper a month back where Praful Patel expressed his wish to fly AI to all these US majors....hope it may come true soon. Regs:
If it wasn't for AI and those money mongers sitting in the parliament, 9W would have been as big as SQ...:(