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IAH & SFO On AI's Radar?  
User currently offlineThomasphoto60 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 3958 posts, RR: 22
Posted (9 years 5 months 4 hours ago) and read 4310 times:

According to the NYT, IAH and SFO will be serviced by AI at years end. Cautiously optimistic.

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/04/27/business/worldbusiness/27india.html

Thomas


"Show me the Braniffs"
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User currently offlineJacobin777 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 14968 posts, RR: 60
Reply 1, posted (9 years 5 months 4 hours ago) and read 4290 times:

interesting...though I was hoping PK would fly out of SFO/SJC or LAX with the 777-200LR...... Sad


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User currently offlineJaysit From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (9 years 5 months 4 hours ago) and read 4283 times:

The article also got the A/C wrong.

It should be 773, not 737.


User currently offlineCATHAY747 From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 170 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (9 years 5 months 3 hours ago) and read 4230 times:

And IIRC AI has indicated they plan to fly to IAD, but this is the first I've heard about IAH!


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User currently offlineMrniji From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (9 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 4078 times:

Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 1):
interesting...though I was hoping PK would fly out of SFO/SJC or LAX with the 777-200LR......

What does one have to do with the other???

Quoting Jaysit (Reply 2):
It should be 773, not 737.

It is interesting to see how this error has been carried forward through different newspapers. Some Indian journalist talked about the brandnew 737-200 LR, and many newspapers c&p this error forward


User currently offlineShawnnyc From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 241 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (9 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 4061 times:

I would have thought IAD would come before IAH. DC's Indian population is significantly higher than Houston's. SF needs to be added ASAP. Up to the mid 90's LA used to have a higher Indian population than SF. Now if you use the Census department's updated numbers since the 2000 census, the SF metro has about 235,000 Indians while LA has about about 145,000 (not to mention more business traffic to India). SF has the second largest Indian population in the US after the NY metro area.

User currently offlineTexdravid From United States of America, joined May 2004, 1355 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (9 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 4049 times:

Everyone needs to stop the "AI needs to come to xxx and NOT to yyy".

To be honest, there are enough Indians spread out over many U.S. metros to warrant AI service. Some metros will merit daily service, and others maybe several times a week. Either way, let's all hope that one day, AI will have a reach into the U.S.A. a la AF, BA, or LH.



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User currently offlineAseem From India, joined Feb 2005, 2046 posts, RR: 10
Reply 7, posted (9 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 4056 times:

what is more important is that they are direct flights, or at least one stop.
not that lousy DEL-ATQ-BHX-YYZ, so something similar they are about to try from HYD/MAA.
rgds
VT-ASJ



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User currently offlineTexdravid From United States of America, joined May 2004, 1355 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (9 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 4023 times:

I completely agree, Aseem.

AI needs direct, nonstop flights from MULTIPLE gateways to India to Europe/USA.

Stop making people in Bangalore, Madras, Hyderabad stop in BOM first before heading west. It's insulting and a waste of time.



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User currently offlineShawnnyc From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 241 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (9 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 3988 times:

Quoting Texdravid (Reply 8):
Stop making people in Bangalore, Madras, Hyderabad stop in BOM first before heading west. It's insulting and a waste of time.

I think insulting is a bit harsh. I have flown many times AI JFK-LHR-DEL-BOM and never felt insulted that the flight stopped in DEL so I don't know why someone in BLR should. AI needs a hub that people can easily transit in and flights from the hub that are nonstop so people can reach their destinations in one stop. US airlines rely on the fact that people will connect once (and here we have to clear customs at the first US stop even when we are supposedly on a flight say LHR-jfk-lax. In India you don't).

Its interesting that Jet / Sahara are not jumping first to fly from BLR or HYD to the West. Rather they want to fly BOM / DEL to the West first even with a TON of competition. That should speak something about the market and aviation relalities.

All of the above being said, I think Indian carriers must quickly set up secondary hubs in a smaller city to capitalize on the growth in traffic (love Sahara's HYD hub, they should fly to London from there first). At least one Indian carrier should be flying from the main Indian cities nonstop to say NYC. But I don't know if AI needs to serve all these cities nonstop to the US. I liked their FRA hub idea (which seems long forgotten).


User currently offlineTexdravid From United States of America, joined May 2004, 1355 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (9 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 3866 times:

Shawn,

Well if you like BOM or DEL layovers, then keep using them. For the rest of us, many of us who are proud South Indians, we want and deserve to go to the west without stopping in BOM or DEL.



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User currently offlineMrniji From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (9 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 3840 times:

Quoting Texdravid (Reply 10):
For the rest of us, many of us who are proud South Indians, we want and deserve to go to the west without stopping in BOM or DEL

What does that have to do of being a proud South Indian..?


User currently offlineJr From United States of America, joined May 1999, 968 posts, RR: 6
Reply 12, posted (9 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 3796 times:

I don't know about the proud south indian part, but practicality makes the current AI routings a royal pain in the ass to really make it work for most of us. If AI really started easier, more practical routings with the new aircraft they have ordered, I would be all for using them on a more regular basis.

Quoting Texdravid (Reply 6):
let's all hope that one day, AI will have a reach into the U.S.A. a la AF, BA, or LH.

Now that would be nice if it ever happened. AI would have to be taken seriously by the competition if and when that happens.

p.s: OT: Has AI ever considered joining any of the alliances? Any background or info on that?



I've flown on 9V-SPK.
User currently offlineTexdravid From United States of America, joined May 2004, 1355 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (9 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 3788 times:

Because we are sick and tired of having inferior service on AI. AI clearly favors and caters to the North Indians with their schedules.

That's why a lot of South Indians fly airlines that bypass BOM/DEL like LH, BA and next month, DL.

It's like if an airline only offered transatlantic flights out of JFK and IAD and a person in a place like ORD or MIA had to connect first to those cities before flying transatlantic. How long would that last in America?



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User currently offlineJacobin777 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 14968 posts, RR: 60
Reply 14, posted (9 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 3771 times:

Quoting Mrniji (Reply 4):
What does one have to do with the other???

none really...



"Up the Irons!"
User currently offlineSpeedbird2025 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (9 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 3768 times:

Hey Thomas

Boy I sure hope we get AI by the end of this year.. That would be great!! And hopefully it will not be like CI that comes in at 0'dark thirty  Smile

How ya been by the way??

--Nathan


User currently offlineJaysit From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (9 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 3750 times:

Well, if you're a "proud" South Indian, I guess you're also a proud Indian.

But giving your business to LH, BA, AF, EK, etc, your "south indian pride" (whatever that may be, God only knows) is essentially filling European and Arab coffers.

In any case, there is no reason why Air India should have nonstops from every South Indian port just to appease your hurt sentiments. Have nonstops if it makes business sense. Its not like Lufthansa flies you nonstop to Texas from Madras - you go through its hub in FRA; ditto for AI -- you go through its western hub of BOM. The next thing you know, Mizoram will claim Mizoram pride, and Biharis will claim BIhari pride (not that they have anything to be proud of), and it will never end.


User currently offlineKaran69 From India, joined Oct 2004, 2889 posts, RR: 18
Reply 17, posted (9 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 3739 times:

Quoting Jaysit (Reply 16):
But giving your business to LH, BA, AF, EK, etc, your "south indian pride" (whatever that may be, God only knows) is essentially filling European and Arab coffers.

Well said Jay.

I dont see Brits complaining that BA flies 90% international destinitions from it hub at LHR, they perhaps have few or no flights [transatlantic/asian] from cities of Manchester, Birmingham, Cardiff etc..

Then why complain if AI takes it pax from its hubs at BOM or DEL


User currently offlineConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (9 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 3726 times:

....bet some of you would be amused to know that AI's also got its eye set big on DEN (yes, Denver).

User currently offlineAseem From India, joined Feb 2005, 2046 posts, RR: 10
Reply 19, posted (9 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 3713 times:

Quoting ConcordeBoy (Reply 18):

your inputs cannot be rebuffed just like that, but it is indeed surprising that they are contemplating DEN, when they are yet to fly SFO/IAH/IAD..
rgds
VT-ASJ



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User currently offlineConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (9 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 3694 times:

Quoting Aseem (Reply 19):
but it is indeed surprising that they are contemplating DEN

...not really, considering that the potential future pro-rate (as it currently stands projected) allows them to essentially rape the hell out of that gateway's dominant carrier.


User currently offlineShawnnyc From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 241 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (9 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 3611 times:

Quoting Texdravid (Reply 10):
Shawn,

Well if you like BOM or DEL layovers, then keep using them. For the rest of us, many of us who are proud South Indians, we want and deserve to go to the west without stopping in BOM or DEL.

What does the North / South thing have to do with it? I grew up in LA, and we connected in NY for many of our Europe and India flights (just as I connect in LA today for my flights to BKK). Your issue should be with AI's limited resources and not the North/South ethnic card. AI screws everyone. Flying from BOM to the east you have to fly through DEL or MAA. That's just AI's thing...its not discrimination. Btw the group that should complain the most are Gujaratis. They are the most numerous in the States, and they have to fly EWR-CDG-BOM-AMD. But unlike you, they thanked AI for introducing same plane service to their city.

I won't comment on the North / South thing except that I can't believe people still bring that up in 2005. I, and all my other friends born here, would never describe or label someone as anything other than Indian.


User currently offlineTRVYYZ From Canada, joined Oct 2004, 1370 posts, RR: 10
Reply 22, posted (9 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day ago) and read 3551 times:

Quoting Texdravid (Reply 13):
That's why a lot of South Indians fly airlines that bypass BOM/DEL like LH, BA and next month, DL.

Wow, now we have fight different from the 1st world and 3rd world, India-Pak etc. Now it is within India itself.

Myself being a Keralite from Trivandrum, I can have a fight on TRV and COK issue also, but I don't care.
It has got nothing to do with pride or hatred towards the north, it's like everybody loves their home place.
Personally, I would never fly out of India from BOM or even COK.
But Bombay, as a place, is one of the cities I like the most, but I wouldn't want to fly from that airport for only one reason, not because of any pride issue, it is simply inconvenient and I have better options. I can fly a dozen( exagerrated) flights from TRV completing customs/immigration. It is best to finish all formalities at the boarding point itself, if at BOM they give me some problem,deny boarding etc. I'll be nowhere.


User currently offlineJoyA380B747 From India, joined Mar 2005, 509 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (9 years 4 months 4 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 3520 times:

Quoting Texdravid (Reply 8):
AI needs direct, nonstop flights from MULTIPLE gateways to India to Europe/USA.

Exactly Texdravid,
It is high time AI must put things right. Otherwise we will see the US carriers rushing in with better connections to/from US. And then there is Jet Airways, which might spell wonders at any time.
Speaking of AI, I think along with IAH-SFO, SEA and IAD might also be considered as I had read a newspaper a month back where Praful Patel expressed his wish to fly AI to all these US majors....hope it may come true soon. Regs:
JOY
 bouncy 



If it wasn't for AI and those money mongers sitting in the parliament, 9W would have been as big as SQ...:(
User currently offlineAseem From India, joined Feb 2005, 2046 posts, RR: 10
Reply 24, posted (9 years 4 months 4 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 3510 times:

Quoting JoyA380B747 (Reply 23):
I think along with IAH-SFO, SEA and IAD might also be considered

IAD is already on the agenda. SEA doesn't seem to be on AI's radar as yet, but have heard that NW might just be considering via MSP.
rgds
VT-ASJ



ala re ala, VT-ALA ala
25 Post contains images Mrniji : :D - Jay, as I know him..! When I was researching on sth, I found the minutes of a question session in the Lok Sabha, where the RJD demanded direct f
26 Texdravid : Jaysit, You speak like a snobbish North Indian telling us down south to shut up and accept AI whether we like it or not! Whether you care to know or n
27 Mrniji : He is not North Indian So, you are a proud South, without the Indian?? I think your decision to rather go through BEY makes you unique There are alre
28 DFWKING : I apologize in advance for any illogical or stupid remark. This is my first post. Hmm...After i read this post i just had to join Anet and post a repl
29 Nimish : Anyone who likes having to change from domestic to international terminals (or v.v.) at BOM / DEL is clearly out of their mind. However, a stopover (o
30 Aseem : i happen to follow Texdravid's comments over a period of couple of months and I am sorry to say that he has just one issue to talk about. And from wha
31 Post contains images Mrniji : As you have mentioned yourself, the Backwaters are not in TN. Hence I seriously doubt that he will consider this place of vacation. No no, I would no
32 TRVYYZ : Just a stupid question. Is it possible for AI to have middle eastern hub, eg. DXB.? Then the S.I. guys could switch from their Gulf AI flight to a Eur
33 Aseem : I'd say rather than creating such a hub, it'd be better to wait till BOM and DEL airports are revamped and AI starts bunch of direct flights to US. D
34 TRVYYZ : They squeeze all the money from the Indians. They better allow, they need us more than we need them. Easier said than done. AI should think of gettin
35 Jaysit : You speak like a snobbish North Indian telling us down south to shut up and accept AI whether we like it or not! I'm not North Indian, and I'm not tel
36 Post contains images Mrniji : These are by far the funniest comments I read on anet !!! Please keep on going, a good change! Great, excellent, brilliant!
37 Post contains images TRVYYZ : Come on I guys, stop the South and North fight. I would love to see a BOM and DEL fight instead.
38 Texdravid : I can't believe that all of you guys who criticize me can't understand that the significant population base in Madras deserves and needs direct flight
39 Texdravid : Thanks for the statement, Nimish. That's exactly what I was saying. Everyone else here is making these wild and not so funny insults at south Indians
40 Shawnnyc : I can't speak for the others, but I never said AI shouldn't have flights from MAA to Europe. They should 100% start those flights (and BOM-SIN withou
41 Jaysit : Everyone else here is making these wild and not so funny insults at south Indians and me and that is just wrong. Dude, you opened yourself up for ridi
42 Post contains images Mrniji : Texdravid, no one is against that. In fact, I am sure that 99,9 % of a.netter second your request for direct flights from MAA. At least I do! - Reall
43 Aseem : Let us all cool down, and I can bet that nobody is against direct flights to southern part of India. It's just that AI has had limitations we all are
44 Post contains images Rmenon : Hello, I'm Rmenon and I am South Indian .... sorry I just came back from an AA meeting Routes, hubs and service are based on business perceptions (or
45 UALAX : I don't think AI has a North Indian bias, just a lack of aircraft to have multiple hubs. But for most South Indians, especially on the West Coast (inc
46 Post contains images JoyA380B747 : Whatever be the situation IAH will be accepted. The reason...PIA can fly there, why not AI. Besides there are lot of Desi PAX to IAH. This is my sugge
47 Jr : If it doesn't make business sense, why does BA want to up frequencies to the south indian cities? And why does DL want to fly MAA daily? I don't fly A
48 Post contains images Mrniji : Moreover, let me remind you of AIX.. they are basically tailor-made for South Indian people! The good thing is that AIX is basically a poject for the
49 Post contains images Nimish : Hi TexDravid - you're welcome. Unfortunately your presentation of this issue has been muddled with jingoistic Southie pride, which is not so welcome
50 Mrniji : not yet... and I am worrying a little as dirty politics, with -in this case - Europe on the forefront (last time the US) - will begin
51 TRVYYZ : Not every one, I am a south Indian. The problem is you have to be more diplomatic in expressing your ideas or you will invite the wrath of the others
52 PA110 : OK, we seem to have strayed WAYYYYY off the topic here. Last I heard from the Sales Rep who covers SFO region - they are preparing for SFO operations
53 Aseem : all those who are members of Anet.SA yahoogroup. I have uploaded a file consisting of jokes about all sorts of Indians. So go and offend yourself, and
54 Airish : Hope the start date is before January 2006 and hopefully there will be no more delays. PA110 if you hear anymore news on AI SFO plans please let us kn
55 Mdsh00 : Texdravid, you really should chill out. Especially living in the US, our regional ethnicities aren't too important as we are all just Indian here. To
56 Jaysit : Texdravid, you really should chill out. Especially living in the US, our regional ethnicities aren't too important as we are all just Indian here. To
57 Texdravid : On a personal note, I agree that many desis can be quite parochial. I used to be quite open and only called myself Indian. Then I went to college wher
58 Thomasphoto60 : What about us Cherokees and my Apache brothers? Thomas
59 Bartond : Concordeboy - What is the thinking behind AI considering DEN? Obviously the UA hub there is the biggest draw but is there anything else they're consid
60 Post contains images Mdsh00 : I agree with you very much. Usually its some ribbing among us second generation kids, but I suppose some take it too far. Sorry to hear that Tex. I a
61 Jacobin777 : guys/gals..its everywhere......i've seen it myself, even though i'm part Pakistani and part Indian.. my dad is from bihar..and my mother is from Lahor
62 TRVYYZ : I know exactly what you feel. I have experienced a bit of it. Here in Canada they love to call Southies as Srilankans, even in India it is not so bad
63 Post contains images Aseem : that is because second generation kiddos never got a chance to "live" in India. All they do is hang around in Westwood mall in YYZ and get to see jus
64 Post contains images Mrniji : I fully agree.. no wonder the radical right-wing movement acquired most of its funds from mostly Gujus in Southern California and London. Diaspora cu
65 EmiratesA345 : How about you take the BOM-DXB-JFK flight operated by Emirates Airline. I'm sure it beats the Air India product anyway. Mark
66 Post contains images Mdsh00 : I had a roommate that was a Bhaiyaji UPite. Subin, True in some cases. I think it really depends on the people you know. Similar to the two-faces of
67 Post contains images Mrniji : I agree! All about individuals! That's why my comment: stereotype Price is important.. and I personally don't like these robots
68 Post contains images B747-437B : You do realize that the Chief Executive of Air India is currently a guy named Vasudevan Thulasidas. Typical snobbish North Indian.... As for your utt
69 Post contains images JoyA380B747 : That was a good comment to end the dispute. Anyway....unlike any other Airline....Air India always keeps its enthusiasts waiting, wondering and ponde
70 EmiratesA345 : I just looked for fares from BOM-JFK return into Travelocity with no selected dates, and found Emirates offered a return trip for $1222 CAD and Air I
71 Texdravid : How many flights to Europe nonstop does AI fly from MAA? That's what I'm saying. This whole issue with me is not about international flights to SIN,
72 Jaysit : Even if AI did launch nonstops from BLR or MAA to say JFK or god forbid, SFO, it would still be at a disadvantage wrt European carriers that could fly
73 PA110 : Actually, from what I gather, AI is takin two approaches simultaneously. They are building up their own North American gateways to hub most likely vi
74 Post contains images Mrniji : Well, what a comprehensive research, I am amazed about your skills.. Call up an ethnic agent and not a conglomerate as travelocity.com - you might be
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