JoyA380B747 From India, joined Mar 2005, 425 posts, RR: 1 Posted (8 years 3 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 2894 times:
Hello to Everyone...
Yes..that's what I want to know- Can Boeing grab fresh deals with Indian Airlines-IA and Jet Airways-9W alongside AI.
There has been rumours that IA, which has yet not finalised fresh deals with Airbus, might consider Boeing also. The Reason??....We have Praful Patel, The Indian Civil Aviation Minister, and his team who never guarantee on anything, and are quite anti-Airbus in character. Surely, here we have another UNPREDICTABLE deal from the Indian Govt.
But to be specific, if IA turns down the 43 Airbus deal(If ever), Airbus will be hailed as a potential loser to Boeing.
And then we have Jet airways. I don't have any Idea about 9W's orders. Surely they are leasing A340's but what about in the near Future. Boeing or Airbus????
If it wasn't for AI and those money mongers sitting in the parliament, 9W would have been as big as SQ...:(
AvioGuy From India, joined Jan 2001, 99 posts, RR: 0 Reply 2, posted (8 years 3 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 2808 times:
See it this way.... USA is happy with AI deal and as it should go Airbus should be decently happy with scoring the IA deal of 43 aircraft.
As for 9W...its a faithfull Boeing customer and will in no chance change to Airbus specially right now when they have just decided to lease 5 more B738s.
Mrniji From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 3, posted (8 years 3 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 2794 times:
Quoting AvioGuy (Reply 2): As for 9W...its a faithfull Boeing customer and will in no chance change to Airbus specially right now when they have just decided to lease 5 more B738s.
What about the 340s they leased from SAA?? I would be surprised if they switch to the 777 aftyer training their crew on the former
AvioGuy From India, joined Jan 2001, 99 posts, RR: 0 Reply 4, posted (8 years 3 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 2782 times:
oh they will switch to the 777 alright, the government has a clause in the agreement to allow private careers that they HAVE to start operations immideately and the routes offerd to them must be operational as soon as possible. There were no 777s apparently available immediately (are there still any UA 777s free?) so 9W was forced to go the 340 way.
S2 on the other hand is planning to start LHR operations with an A310!
DAYflyer From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 3807 posts, RR: 4 Reply 7, posted (8 years 3 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 2692 times:
I seriously doubt anymore big orders from India for Boeing. Airbus will do all it can to secure any order there to save face now, especially any A-350 order it can lay it's hands on.
Geopolitically speaking, India would do well to have a carrier throw an order to Airbus so that it does not alienate itself from it's European allies.
AvioGuy From India, joined Jan 2001, 99 posts, RR: 0 Reply 8, posted (8 years 3 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 2633 times:
India might giving its "european allies" a good military order...already 80 BAe Hawks and a possibility of 120 M2k5's if USA doesent win the F 16 order too. And in todays world geopoliticaly it doesent matter.
NYC777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 5155 posts, RR: 49 Reply 9, posted (8 years 3 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 2590 times:
Quoting DAYflyer (Reply 7): Geopolitically speaking, India would do well to have a carrier throw an order to Airbus so that it does not alienate itself from it's European allies.
It already has..the IA order for 43 A320s
Quoting AvioGuy (Reply 8): India might giving its "european allies" a good military order...already 80 BAe Hawks and a possibility of 120 M2k5's if USA doesent win the F 16 order too. And in todays world geopoliticaly it doesent matter.
Over many years India has bought military equipment from primarily Rusiia and france. They now have an opportunity to buy US fighter (F-16s or F/A-18E/Fs). India has been giving it's European allies business for a great number of years.
NYC777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 5155 posts, RR: 49 Reply 11, posted (8 years 3 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 2549 times:
Quoting AvioGuy (Reply 10): IA has not ordered 43 A320s..they only intend to.
IIRC they're just one mininster approval away from being able to sign the final contract.
I can totally see 9W orderingthe 777/787 combo for the various international destinations they hoped to open up. It's a no brainer and I would think that they may even announce an order this year in order to get theearliest delivery spots available. Heck they could even trump AI's Boeing order by signing a firm contract before AI thus guaranteeing an earlier delivery spots vis a vis AI (who still have to get govt approval for the order something which 9W doesn't have to worry about). The sooner 9W gets their new widebodies for international routes the more time they have to establish a proven international service identity with Indian travelers.
Aseem From India, joined Feb 2005, 2042 posts, RR: 11 Reply 14, posted (8 years 3 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 2462 times:
Quoting NYC777 (Reply 11): Heck they could even trump AI's Boeing order by signing a firm contract before AI thus guaranteeing an earlier delivery spots vis a vis AI (who still have to get govt approval for the order something which 9W doesn't have to worry about).
I heard in one of these threads that there is some early delivery clause in AI deal, that will allow it to have B787 as early as 2006/8. Just what I've heard/read.
VT-ASJ
NYC777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 5155 posts, RR: 49 Reply 17, posted (8 years 3 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 2434 times:
Quoting Aseem (Reply 14): I heard in one of these threads that there is some early delivery clause in AI deal, that will allow it to have B787 as early as 2006/8.
Unless AI has put a deposit for 2008 delivery spots it will be very hard to get the 787 that early as Boeing has said that 08 and 09 spots are all sold out. But the point still goes back that the GOi must give it's approval in a timely manner if AI wants these planes in 06 (777) and 08 (787). If not it can open the door for 9W to establish an international network with outstanding service (I just love 9Ws service..the best I've ever experienced even on a short flight like BOM to Bhavnagar) with modern aircraft before AI does.
HAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31201 posts, RR: 58 Reply 19, posted (8 years 3 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 2286 times:
Should not happen.Else what about the existing A320s in thier [IC] fleet.
9W will def go in for B777s as & When Available.
The A340s are a stop gap lease.
I hope the IC deal goes to Airbus.It makes more sense.
regds
MEL
FriendlySkies From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 4006 posts, RR: 6 Reply 20, posted (8 years 3 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 2263 times:
Quoting Mrniji (Reply 16): I thought the 787 will only come into operation in 2008.. that was A's main argument
And they responded with an airplane that's due out two years later...go figure.
N60659 From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 654 posts, RR: 28 Reply 21, posted (8 years 3 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 2213 times:
Quoting NYC777 (Reply 9): Over many years India has bought military equipment from primarily Rusiia and france. They now have an opportunity to buy US fighter (F-16s or F/A-18E/Fs). India has been giving it's European allies business for a great number of years.
The issue with military aircraft acquisition in India has always been the question of license production in India. If Lockheed/Boeing offer the possibility of that, they will remain in the running. If not, I wouldn't hold my breath on getting F-16s or F/A-18E/F. One of the primary reasons why there are only a few squadrons of Mirage 2000s.
The other big issue with purchasing from the US is the risk of embargoes.
JoyA380B747 From India, joined Mar 2005, 425 posts, RR: 1 Reply 22, posted (8 years 3 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 2175 times:
Quoting NYC777 (Reply 17): If not it can open the door for 9W to establish an international network with outstanding service (I just love 9Ws service..the best I've ever experienced even on a short flight like BOM to Bhavnagar) with modern aircraft before AI does.
Got that right NYC...
9W infact might not only be a serious competitor to AI but expect it to also compete with other major TransAtlantic Airlines. Infight meals,entertainment will surely be world class. The Quesion is, on which Aircraft... 340 or 777 or maybe leased 747's also???
If it wasn't for AI and those money mongers sitting in the parliament, 9W would have been as big as SQ...:(
Hamlet69 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 2657 posts, RR: 59 Reply 24, posted (8 years 3 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 2144 times:
Quoting Mrniji (Reply 3): What about the 340s they leased from SAA?? I would be surprised if they switch to the 777 aftyer training their crew on the former
I wouldn't be so sure. 9W has been looking to make their own purchase NOW! The SAA lease is only for 2 years, in other words, it is a complete stop-gap measure intended to get their foot in the international door, nothing else. Every indication I have heard on this is that the 777 is the preferred option. However, since no order has been announced, it could of course go either way.
Regards,
Hamlet69
Honor the warriors, not the war.
25 Keesje: I think Air India has got the Boeing deal now as part of a bigger US-India geo ploitical deal that is much bigger. India now has do to do something to
26 DIJKKIJK: IC will do well to stick with Airbus. It is going to be very cost effective for them to induct more A320/A321/A319 than to go for a new Boeing type.
27 Mrniji: IC is ordering Airbus. But they don't have to do anything in that regard. Who tells that they have to level the field? Who asks Pakistan to level the
28 Sammyk: I don't know why Airbus is crying. If the IA deal goes through and you include King Fisher and Air Deccan plus all their options, they'll have deals t
29 Karan69: What MrNiji says above makes perfect sense, What is surprising is that Tony Blair wil push EU nations and others to buy Airbus products, whereas 85% o
30 Jwenting: Keesje will never give up trying to blame every Boeing win over his gods on government backstabbing (while of course every divine Airbus sales is base
31 Cruiser: Or, similarly, they wanted AI to look at the A380 because we all know that it is in the same size class! (Note the sarcasm!) AC locked into the last
33 Keesje: pathetic! pls save this for the non-av forum..
34 Sammyk: Not really sure what point you were trying to make by breaking those prices down. In my post I was including all A32x orders/options/proposals that A
Sponsor Message: 
From India, joined Mar 2005, 425 posts, 
From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 474 posts, 
Printer friendly format 
