GodBless From Sweden, joined Apr 2000, 2734 posts, RR: 16 Posted (3 years 7 months 1 week 2 days ago) and read 723 times:
The Air Canada order made me thinking, do future sales [to new customers] of the 777 depend on the 787?
With AC I had expected an order for the 787 to replace the 767 but I had ruled out the 777 (since the A330/A340 serve the needs of the airline very well).
It seems that the 777 and 787 seem to be perfect "brothers" that work together just as the 757/767 did and still do.
But considering statements from, for example, Emirates it seems as if the 787 was more a "new 777" than a 757 replacement. But then AC would have only ordered the 787 to replace the 767/A330/A340...
KC135TopBoom From United States, joined Jan 2005, 5566 posts, RR: 36 Reply 1, posted (3 years 7 months 1 week 2 days ago) and read 695 times:
No, the B-777 sales have no ties to the B-787 sales. Do the two airplanes complament each other? Probably. That is up to each individual airline to decide what mix of airplane orders will work best for them. It is purely a business decision, nothing more, nothing less.
There have been airlines that have ordered only the B-777 or only the B-787. The two airplanes do fly different missions.
Why would AC cancel their current A-346 orders and go with the B-777? I have no idea, maybe hey are not as happy with the new A-340s as you think. Maybe the current fuel prices have something to do with it. Maybe the B-777s are additional airplanes to complament the current A-340s and A-330s. I don't really know the answer, but, I'll bet it has something to do with AC's business model.
Joost From Netherlands, joined Apr 2005, 1850 posts, RR: 3 Reply 2, posted (3 years 7 months 1 week 2 days ago) and read 688 times:
I can agree that the 787-8 and the 777-200ER are close in specifications and markets. And if you look at the Air Canada order, they ordered the 777-200LR and the 777-300ER. This aircraft are longer range / bigger than the 787-8.
For the Air Canada order, and effectively for all aircraft orders: airlines are not always looking for the an 1-on-1 identical plane, as often is the opinion in the forum. It can often be that a new mix basically suits the airline better.
As for Air Canada however, the order of 787-8, 777-200LR and 777-300ER looks quite nice. The 787 can replace many of the 767, 330 and 340-300 routes. The 200LR will replace the 340-500 routes, like YYZ-HKG, YYZ-DEL and probably open more asia routes from YYZ and YUL.
The 777-300ER will most likely be used on the high capacity routes, where they previously operated the 74M and where they intented to operate the 346 they cancelled. One should think of routes from YUL and YYZ to FRA and LHR, and I think it's a safe bet on YYZ-NRT too.
All together I think it's a nice and especially versatile fleet, matching AC's quite interesting route structure. (on one hand the non-stop Asia routes like YYZ-DEL, on the other hand the heavy domestic corridors like YYZ-YUL and YUL-YVR)
NAV20 From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 6211 posts, RR: 23 Reply 3, posted (3 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 663 times:
Randy Baseler of Boeing has started a blog. Normally his stuff is so 'salesman-optimistic' as to be almost painful to read! But in a recent entry he outlined, with reference to Air Canada, how the 777 and 787, having similar ranges, are intended to interact with each other to give airlines the flexibility to deal with seasonal peaks and troughs etc.
"But what's really fascinating is the way Air Canada plans to make use of the new 777s and 787s to grow its current long-range non-stop routes, particularly to China and Latin America.
"Air Canada says it's planning to fly 777-300ERs between Vancouver and Tokyo. Other new airplanes will allow Air Canada to implement its recently announced expansion to China markets. They're also planning to add daily non-stop service from Toronto to Shanghai, increase flights between Toronto and Beijing, and add daily Vancouver to Guangzhou service. Air Canada also plans to expand cargo service to China.
"This is the essence of what we've been saying for years about long-range twin-engines flying point to point. The 787 and 777 work perfectly together, allowing Air Canada to respond to seasonal demand with two aircraft models that can fly with the same speed, range, and passenger comfort levels, while offering different seating and cargo capacities to match demand on its routes."
For sure more than the 777 and 744 do. If the cockpit will be the same (with a few added features) I see the 787 and 777 be as close as the 757/767 are, as mentioned in my first posting.
Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 1): There have been airlines that have ordered only the B-777 or only the B-787
Of course, after all the 777 has been ordered since 1991. And there are also airlines that have the 757 and not the 767, the A320 and not the A321,...
Quoting Joost (Reply 2): The 777-300ER will most likely be used on the high capacity routes, where they previously operated the 74M and where they intended to operate the 346 they cancelled.
Wasn't that where AC wanted to use cargo planes? In the end the 74M just flew to CDG, FRA and LHR, if I am not mistaken. And that was where AC wanted to send full freighters in the future, plus expand the cargo only services.
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