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User currently offlineStirling From Italy, joined Jun 2004, 3943 posts, RR: 21
Posted (9 years 3 months 5 days ago) and read 1616 times:

Just wondering, with all the space available along the shores of Moreton Bay, what is the reasoning behind the international and domestic terminals located so far apart from each other at Brisbane International (BNE)?

Connected through a rail link shrinks the 2km to a manageable distance for connecting passengers, so it isn't that much of a big deal, but curious all the same.

I tried without luck to find an aerial view of BNE to illustrate, I'm sure our A.Netters down under might be able to find a shot to better express what I'm talking about.....


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User currently offlineSamurai 777 From Canada, joined Jan 2000, 2458 posts, RR: 4
Reply 1, posted (9 years 3 months 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 1610 times:

There are a couple of pics in the A.net database showing BNE's layout. Check them out.


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BNE's terminal being far apart is a common thing for major Australian airports. I know SYD and PER are like that, too. They have their domestic and international terminals quite far apart, too. Same goes for CNS. My dad has flown into SYD quite a number of times, but fortunately because SYD is often his final destination, he doesn't have to transfer between the intl/domestic terminals at all. MEL's is one single building, I think. I don't know about ADL, though. I've flown into BNE, SYD and CNS, but I have never had to transfer between the int'l/domestic terminals, even after having arrived in SYD from HNL/YVR to go to CNS. (I just boarded a QF 744 going to Nagoya via CNS)

As for why major Australian airports have their international and domestic terminals so far apart, I'm not entirely sure. It might have had to do with federal rules regarding airport construction in Australia in the past.

I know some of the regulations placed on Australian carriers like Ansett and TAA were pretty ridiculous. One fine example was the requirement that Ansett and TAA (Trans Australian Airlines - later Australian, then swallowed up by QF in '93) had to have identical fleets - mainly 727s and DC-9s. That was scrapped in the early 1980s/late 1970s. I would imagine that airports down under had to deal with equally crazy rules, if not worse.


User currently offlineStirling From Italy, joined Jun 2004, 3943 posts, RR: 21
Reply 2, posted (9 years 3 months 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 1577 times:

Thank you for posting those photos.

The picture on the left expresses perfectly the amount of unused space between the domestic terminal (top) and the international terminal shown below.

Is there a plan to fill in the area between the two with additional terminal buildings as Brisbane grows?
I do know there are plans for an additional parallel runway. Looking at the photo on the right, the placement for this would be to the right, in what is the undeveloped eastern side of the airport property. (BTW, timeline for it's construction anyone?)



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User currently offlineAussie747 From Australia, joined Aug 2003, 1163 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (9 years 3 months 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 1527 times:

All ADL flights will go to one Terminal in October when their new terminal opens up.

User currently offlinePilottim747 From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 1607 posts, RR: 5
Reply 4, posted (9 years 3 months 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 1506 times:

Good question. I'd never thought of it until now. Maybe because Aussies want to show off how much extra land they've got.  Wink

The couple times I've been to Australia I only remember having to connect between intl and domestic terminals once. In 2001, flying Ansett to SYD and then connecting to Air New Zealand. It was a mess trying to take the shuttle from the domestic terminal to the intl. It was mid-morning and there were tons of other passengers trying to change terminals. We had to wait through 2 shuttles before we got on.

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User currently offline6thfreedom From Bermuda, joined Sep 2004, 3323 posts, RR: 20
Reply 5, posted (9 years 3 months 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 1492 times:

MEL has the best terminal structure by far...
less than a minute walk from domestic to international... what more could u ask for.
and as i understand it, the master plan for the next 30 years maintains domestic and international ops under the one roof.


User currently offlineStealthZ From Australia, joined Feb 2005, 5678 posts, RR: 45
Reply 6, posted (9 years 3 months 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 1425 times:
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Quoting Pilottim747 (Reply 4):
Maybe because Aussies want to show off how much extra land they've got.



Quoting Samurai 777 (Reply 1):
It might have had to do with federal rules regarding airport construction in Australia in the past.

The 1st point might be true of BNE & PER, I'd never thought of CNS terminals being far apart but then I'm used to SYD & BNE.
In Sydneys case, the Terminals are far apart because of LACK of space, in the 60's the Int & Dom terminals were together about on the site of the current AF Domestic terminal, when the need for a "world class" Int Terminal arose there was no space there.

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Right under the Dash 8 intake is the QF Maint. base and behind them is a major road & a river, to the left of pic is Rwy 07/25 so there was not a lot of space, the international Term was located on the Western side of the site and with allowances for growth there was not really the space(and possibly money) to relocate the domestic terminals. It is just as well because if the Eastern site had been abandoned and used for other purposes SYD would be in a much worse situation than it is now. Who knows we might have got that second airport!!!

Chris

PS great shot Darren!!



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User currently offlineETA Unknown From Comoros, joined Jun 2001, 2073 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (9 years 3 months 4 days ago) and read 1300 times:

It costs about $20 in cab fare to go from PER domestic to international terminals. Granted Aussie taxis rates are one of the most expensive out there, but 20 is still a lot.

As for BNE, what you have now is a vast improvement- anyone remember the previous international terminal- a converted cargo shed- that took at least 5 minutes to taxi an aircraft to???


User currently offlinePalmjet From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2001, 1221 posts, RR: 17
Reply 8, posted (9 years 3 months 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 1289 times:

I remember the old international terminal at BNE.

Until 1996, international flights arrived and departed from a simple shed like structure, that, up until the mid 80s was adequate. Australia, and South East Queensland experienced a huge growth in tourism numbers by the late 80s and into the 90s, the old terminal had passed its use by date.

Still, it was a lot better for pics of aircraft than the new terminal and there were plenty of places around the international apron that you could stand very close to aircraft.

Some of my earliest childhood memories are of the BNE international terminal. For Brisbanites, in the late 1980s, this was where you could see Thai DC-10s, the single Air Caledonie Caravelle, Singapore Airlines Big Top 747-300s, Continental and Philippine Airlines DC-10s.....ahh those were the days.



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User currently offlineVSMike From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 318 posts, RR: 7
Reply 9, posted (9 years 3 months 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 1262 times:

Quoting Palmjet (Reply 8):
I remember the old international terminal at BNE.

I don't remember the old "shed". But I did get an airfield tour in YR2000...
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User currently offlineBill142 From Australia, joined Aug 2004, 8440 posts, RR: 8
Reply 10, posted (9 years 3 months 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 1229 times:

Transfering from domestic to international at syd is a non issue unless your on DJ. Qantas offer a bus service which you can check in your luggage on the international side for your domestic flight. And unless your international airline dosn't have an interline agreeemnet with Qantas there is no need to re check baggage once you arrive in the international terminal. Just jump in the domestic transfer line and collect your boarding passes and away you go.

User currently offline6thfreedom From Bermuda, joined Sep 2004, 3323 posts, RR: 20
Reply 11, posted (9 years 3 months 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 1192 times:

Quoting Bill142 (Reply 10):
Transfering from domestic to international at syd is a non issue unless your on DJ. Qantas offer a bus service which you can check in your luggage on the international side for your domestic flight. And unless your international airline dosn't have an interline agreeemnet with Qantas there is no need to re check baggage once you arrive in the international terminal. Just jump in the domestic transfer line and collect your boarding passes and away you go.

But that is precisely the issue Bill.
Qantas now accounts for little more than 30% of international capacity ex-SYD, and about 28% ex-MEL.... and at the end of the day, you are at the mercy of Qantas one way or another.
You either HAVE to travel with a QF aligned carrier to get the transfer thrown in, or you must bear and grin it to make the transfer yourself.
Sometimes, depending on your detination, it is cheaper to purchase your international flight from SYD (if u are transferring from MEL BNE or ADL), and purchase the domestic sector yourself.

My understanding is that a K class fare which QF offers to other carriers is around US$115 per sector. A lot more than a A$90 fare i could purchase myself on the net!


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