BOS2LAF From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 354 posts, RR: 0 Reply 7, posted (8 years 3 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 17016 times:
Man, I've seen cleaner AF planes (not even including the factory fresh ones). and when you can say that some of AF's planes are cleaner than one of yours, you know its time for a bath.
LanPeru From Peru, joined Jun 2001, 630 posts, RR: 10 Reply 11, posted (8 years 3 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 17001 times:
Ummm...I think as long as the inside of thier planes don't look like that then everything is ok! I mean it's not like the paint is chipping off or the metal peeling back. As long as my seat is clean and the aircraft smells good...I'm happy.
Sabena332 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 18, posted (8 years 3 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 16653 times:
I could never understand why people are making such a big deal about a dirty aircraft. Does dirt on the outside have any influence on the safety or the comfort?
Birdwatching From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 3573 posts, RR: 52 Reply 19, posted (8 years 3 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 16625 times:
During my internship at GlobeGround Ecuador at UIO, we handled the MAD flight every afternoon. I can tell you, it came dirty every single time. And no, is wasn't always the same a/c. All of them were that way.
All the things you probably hate about travelling are warm reminders that I'm home
Trintocan From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2000, 3191 posts, RR: 4 Reply 20, posted (8 years 3 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 16549 times:
Yes, those IB planes look very dirty. While that would hopefully have no effect on their safety the truth is that it presents a very poor image of the airline. If one for instance were to go to an agency to rent a car and visited one with clean and shiny cars, then went to another with cars covered in dirt and dust, who would you rent from? Yes, what's under the hood counts too but the first impression can be very important.
Bohica From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 2407 posts, RR: 0 Reply 23, posted (8 years 3 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 16382 times:
Dirty airplanes not only presents a negative image of an airline, but it costs an airline money. Dirt causes drag on the plane as well as adding weight to the plane. This results in increased fuel burn.
AirNZ From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 24, posted (8 years 3 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 16383 times:
Such a total nonsensical, and trivial, thread!!
Honestly, do some of you have nothing to do but gripe or find fault with the most trivial things?
We are supposed to be aviation enthusiasts here.......yet some have the stupidy to question if dirty paintwork on an aircraft makes it unsafe????????
Oh please! get real......or better still, grow up!
25 TACAA320: I will never go to a restaurant that obviously looks dirty from outside. Do you? Some things "enter" throught the eyes.
26 Xkorpyoh: I have seen those IB 340 a couple of times in SCL and they do look like that.
27 Senorcarnival: What if someone told you, "Taca, this little restaurant is awesome, it's dirty outside, but the food is delicious!" Would you go then? Now, let's put
28 Wingman: It certainly doesn't do much for an airline's image or perception of quality. I guess some on this thread would rent a car covered in bird crap and th
29 IBERIA747: Having flown on them 10 times in the last 2 years, I can tell you they are completely different on the inside. Even have pics...
30 Sabena332: Yes, because the cook is not the cleaner of the facade! As I already wrote, a dirty aircraft is not unsafe and the dirt outside the aircraft is absul
31 SWISSER: Consider this, long range planes fly almost 20 hours a day, they "work" almost 2.5 times more than some of us do (normal jobs off course!not aviation
32 BALandorLivery: Nobody is suggesting that dirty aircraft are unsafe! But if all the other airlines (apart from air france) can keep their aircraft clean, why can't I
33 Xkorpyoh: would they benefit from a shiny bare silver look like AA or keep cleaning the white?
34 SQ773: Not at all, Sabena332, but you know that THIS would be unthinkable on a LH or LX airplane. Just search for any photo and show it, if you can... Altho
35 TACAA320: Only if I trust that someone. IB service is great... Uhmmmmmmmmmmmmm Of course. But I still prefer a clean one. In and out.
36 Jamie757: I must admit, flying on a plane that's as filthy as that wouldn't exactly fill me with confidence (I'm sure many would disagree with me), but the impr
37 OH-LGA: Yes, dirty aircraft certainly do not in any way usually reflect the airworthiness of an aircraft. But, nonetheless, popular opinion among the general
38 Sabena332: LH don't need dirty planes to be a disgrace, they are anyway. Patrick
39 2H4: It all comes down to pride and professionalism. Funny how some people here think it's stupid to be concerned about the outward appearance of an aircra
40 GQfluffy: Not to knock my own airline...but I see this more often then not when the flight crew only has 8 hrs of turnaround from the previous flight the night
41 PapaNovember: Those "dirt stripes" are vertical, not horizontal. That plane has been sitting somewhere it rains a lot and has very polluted air - like Mexico City.
43 SLC1: This is probably the case with Iberia. Image doesn't necessarily reflect truth in safety, one does not cause the other, but image can be a good indic
44 TACAA320: Where did I said so? Is not funny nor stupid. It's logic that people like to see clean aircrafts. As we do with our own cars and houses. We all know
45 Aircellist: Well, SSSOOOOOO easy to bash AF and every other airline whose color is predominantly white. The fact is: the air is dirty! Has no one ever noticed tha
46 Bridogger6: I can see where you'd think that.. but you don't see anyone bashing continental, or HP, or any other white colored airline of which there are MANY...
48 Aircellist: oooops, I missed this one... A few months ago, someone bashed AF for having dirty flaps, from a picture taken from a landing in Beijing.. Was it this
49 HAWK21M: Exactly.But the Flying public dont realise that. I guess Regular cleaning is a necessity. regds MEL
50 Lockheed1011: Not just that one! The only ones I have seen clean are the brand new ones out of Airbus. IB represents Spain all over the world. That is what the publ
51 Garri767: exactly,dont judge a book by its cover, even if the book looks...well....like a shame, lol
52 N312RC: All these posts and nobody mentions US Airways?? Not only are their planes dirty inside and out, they usually are missing paint all together! *I love
53 AR385: Well, I'll say two things: Another "nice" performance of an IB aircraft, it seems they are trying to imitate the service on board. Second, If that's h
54 IMatAMS: I don't get you guys...Finally someone is getting rid of their Eurowhite livery, and you're still complaining!!!
55 9V-SPF: Of course the exterior look of an aircraft has nothing to do with its safety or with the quality of maintenance (which is excellent in Iberia´s case)
56 ZKSUJ: Haha, didn't a chinese airline recieve a bashing for a dirty plane a month or so ago?
57 AirPacific747: I have heard that IB is making a lot of money, so i dont understand why they cant just wash their planes.. they must be able to afford it if the airli
58 Northwest 777: I guess to me it's not just a dirty airplane, but unfortuanately it gives (and this is just my opinion) a reputation of being, well, dirty I guess for
59 CURLYHEADBOY: LOL! It seems that dirty aircrafts are always a fascinating topic for A.netters! It's amazing how some discussion seem to inevitably pop up every now
60 Osteogenesis: No it does not, but it is a sign of not tacking care. We live in a World where perception is everything. Any good business man will tell you that the
61 JGPH1A: The rule of thumb for Chinese restaurants - the scruffier it looks, the better the food. This has proven true countless times. Don't let the looks of
62 Jorge1812: Have you never been to McDonalds? Georg.
63 SQ773: In the end , I will end up thinking you have NO IDEA of what you are talking about, sorry for that. The service in LH may for some people be just cor
64 Osteogenesis: You are right. This is a typical German behavior. I think it comes from the traumatic history of Germany. Many Germans tend to believe that they have
65 IberiaN: Sorry but IB has an excellent maintenance! Only the A340-300s ARE SO "DIRTY" in the outside. Even A340-600 are always clean! Short-Medium haul fleet
66 Sabena332: Fly a few times on them in long-haul Eco and compare these flights with other long haul-flights you made in Eco, then you will get an idea what many
67 SQ773: I do not think this is ridiculous at all. As it´s been said before , image mattes, specially when dealing with the BIG ones. By the way, I flew a fe
68 TACAA320: What's McDonalds? That's why I avoid them. I just want to add something else. IB is a profitable airline. More than any U.S. carrier [except Southwes
69 Access-Air: Its all visual perception boys and girls.... Tell me, would you guys find a woman attractive that looked like she just got done rolling around in a ru
70 DAYflyer: Can't someone write "Wash me" on the side or something?
71 Wdleiser: If the dirty plane is working fine, not reducing safety, flying passengers all over, and working efficiently; why on earth would the airline clean it
72 ScottishLaddie: While it is no doubt just as safe as any other aircraft, I'm afraid that to me, an aircraft as dirty as that does have something to do with the quali
73 Iberia340600: Oh my god...are these dirty plane threads ever going to end? The only ones that really care if the plane is dirty on the outside or not are enthusiast
74 Theredbaron: In Mexico city if you have a really dirty car, kids will mark your disrty windows "clean me!!!" or "wash me!!" In my case I put "I am not dirty, its s
75 DIA: Maybe not to you and I, but to the average traveler. . .you bet. If a machine, of any sort, is dirty, it is thought of as unkept and/or needing maint
76 Icaro: Hi all, Iberia has been going trough a politic of cost cutting. Everything considered non necessary has been cut to the minimum. These measures should
77 LH423: Again, The perception of things is what matters. Someone flying A Airlines is sitting in the airport waiting for their flight. Up strolls a plane for
78 Tockeyhockey: i think that the dirt adds a protective layer and keeps the plane from rusting. good thinking iberia!
79 IntruderPC: Sabena 332 reply 18: I am a former A/C Mx person and flying in a A/C that is that dirty makes me wonder how slovenly the mx has been performed!! LH4
81 ITA350: A simple search on the photo database reveals the last time this aircraft was photographed relatively clean was a year and 2 months ago ! View Large V
82 IBERIA747: That's not the same aircraft. The original aircraft is EC-IDF while the aircraft you're talikng about is EC-GJT (although it's quite dirty currently
83 Bhill: When you are selling ANYTHING..from chicken wings to airline seats, perception is EVERYTHING!!! As I was taught in the Army...Act Sharp...Look Sharp..
84 HorizonGirl: Whoa, that is a dirty plane! You would think that keeping planes clean would be very important I guess Iberia doesn't think so. Devon
85 Paul777: So many threads about dirty airplanes, yet I can't seem to remember any threads discussing the cost/time of cleaning the exterior? I don't think it is
86 DarthRandall: As long as he doesn't show up smelling like Jack Daniels I'm cool with it. I don't have to sit next to him. It may be silly, but it's certainly enter
87 Monteycarlos: A little bit of increased (parasitic?) drag. Not too much but it does have a measureable affect. The big deal IMO is that it is not good for the imag
88 Scarebus03: Safety is most definitely a factor when it comes to an aircraft in this state as you cannot inspect it properly for damage eg. lightening strikes etc
89 TACAA320: A couple of questions: How difficult in terms of personnel involved and necessary materials are needed to clean for example an A340 or similar? How m
91 IBERIA747: Don't know what the reason was for letting it get so dirty...but it has been finally washed!! Look! Pic taken on April 1st (It states that it was tak
92 Carpethead: Japan TransOcean's 734 also tend to get dirty too. Yesterday, I saw one land in KIX it was more filthy than this posted picture.
93 L410Turbolet: Can anyone explain me WHAT causes the fuselage to get dirty in this particular pattern? I'm mainly referring to those "stripes" of dirt underneath th
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