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Northwest's Intra-Asia Service  
User currently offlineFlyMKG From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 183 posts, RR: 1
Posted (9 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 3160 times:

After seeing the following picture, it got me wondering. How many aircraft does NW have stationed in Asia to serve these intra-asian routes? What cities are served by this "funneling" system?

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User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32596 posts, RR: 72
Reply 1, posted (9 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 3124 times:

If I recall correctly, they have three. Not all intra-Asia routes are flown with 757s, some are flown with 747-400s. From Tokyo, they fly intra-Asia to Hong Kong, Singapore, Seoul, Busan, Taipei, Manila, Nagoya (no local traffic rights), Beijing, Shanghai, and Guangzhou. They used to serve Kaoshing as well, until SARS. They also fly Osaka-Taipei and Nagoya-Manila.


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User currently offlinePSU.DTW.SCE From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 7521 posts, RR: 28
Reply 2, posted (9 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 3114 times:

NRT-BKK A332
NRT-CAN 757
NRT-GUM 742
NRT-HKG 744
NRT-ICN A332
NRT-MNL 744
NRT-NGO-SPN 757
NRT-PEK A332
NRT-PUS 757
NRT-PVG 744
NRT-SIN A332
NRT-SPN 742

NGO-MNL 744

The only aircraft station in Asia are the 3 757's based in NRT. The 744's, 742's, A332's, and DC-10's (if they are on the schedule, which they currently are not) are all continuations of Trans-Pacific flights.


User currently offlineRoots From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 98 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (9 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 3022 times:

Last week I was spotting at NRT and I met a UPS pilot who's also a spotting enthusiast. While there I saw N544NW, N546NW and N547NW. We were talking about it and he mentioned that the reason NW went through the trouble of bringing and stationing these 752's in NRT is so that they (NW) can get more flights out of NRT. Apparently NRT is so congested that the main runway is tightly controlled and the secondary runway is not long enough for 747's. Therefore NW brought in 757's from the mainland.

I think NW uses 757's from NRT on these Asian routes:

http://www.nwa.com/travel/trave/route/asia.shtml

Last time I flew NRT - SIN was on a 747, though.


User currently offlinePSU.DTW.SCE From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 7521 posts, RR: 28
Reply 4, posted (9 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 2942 times:

Thanks Roots for not reading my post, as I said there are only 3 757's over in NRT, the rest are flown my widebody aircraft that come over from across the Pacific.

Originally A320's were brought over to NRT to right-size certain markets and add a new destination or two. This was brought on by primarily by the SARS problems, the post 9/11 travel slump, and the fact that the 742 & DC-10's were too big for many markets. When demand picked up the A320's were replaced by 757's. As NW has taken deliveries of A332's they have been better able to adjust capacity with demand on the "beyond NRT" routes. You are correct about the fact that the 757 is able to you the 2nd shorter runways which is how NW was able to get more slots in the first place.


User currently offlineCospn From Northern Mariana Islands, joined Oct 2001, 1605 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (9 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 2936 times:

SPN Gets to Overnite a 757 NRT-NGO-SPN Overnite (0010- 0855) SPN-NGO-NRT

User currently offlineFilejw From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 359 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (9 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 2793 times:

PSU
The A320's were for the new runway 16L/34R. SARS came after.


User currently offlineMalaysia From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 3330 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (9 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 2569 times:

The A332 was bad news to me, cause It was still hard to get on the overbooked 744 from BKK-NRT and now an A332 makes it even harder.


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User currently offlineDoona From Sweden, joined Feb 2005, 3764 posts, RR: 13
Reply 8, posted (9 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 2507 times:

Don't all NW flights to Asia transit NRT?

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Mats



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User currently offlinePSU.DTW.SCE From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 7521 posts, RR: 28
Reply 9, posted (9 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 2500 times:

Non-NRT Trans-Pacific flying is:

DTW-KIX 744
DTW-NGO 744
HNL-KIX DC-10
KIX-TPE 744
NGO-MNL 744
NGO-SPN 757


User currently offlineDoona From Sweden, joined Feb 2005, 3764 posts, RR: 13
Reply 10, posted (9 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 2292 times:

Ok, well at least all flight transit Japan...  Smile

Cheers
Mats



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User currently offlineAC787 From Canada, joined Mar 2005, 337 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (9 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 2188 times:

What's the benefit of NW's system of intra Asia flying? I would rather fly non stop to most of these places as is offered by the likes of United and AC. There is enough traffic on most of those routes.

AC787


User currently offlineCrownvic From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 1863 posts, RR: 5
Reply 12, posted (9 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 2002 times:

Well one of the benefits is that unlike the old hags that fly the Pacific, the inter-Asian routes have some hot looking young Asian F/A's!!!

User currently offlineDoona From Sweden, joined Feb 2005, 3764 posts, RR: 13
Reply 13, posted (9 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 1918 times:

Quoting Crownvic (Reply 12):
Well one of the benefits is that unlike the old hags that fly the Pacific, the inter-Asian routes have some hot looking young Asian F/A's!!!

Yeah, this is the sole reason for NW's intra-asian routes...  banghead 

Isn't it just a smart way of keeping load factors up? Instead of flying a half full plane from the US to TPE, fly a full plane to KIX, dump off half the pax, and take advantage of the huge intra-asian market.

Cheers
Mats



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User currently offlineRoseFlyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 9485 posts, RR: 52
Reply 14, posted (9 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 1811 times:

Quoting AC787 (Reply 11):
What's the benefit of NW's system of intra Asia flying? I would rather fly non stop to most of these places as is offered by the likes of United and AC. There is enough traffic on most of those routes.

That is a good question. UA tries to play both markets. They have a NRT hub to feed Asian operations (but don't have any planes based there, just wide body continuation flights) as well as having select high yielding and high demand routes nonstop from SFO and/or ORD.

The benefit of transiting everyone through NRT for NW is that they make connections easier. NW has no large hub on the west coast like UA or AC does. So if someone was wanting to fly for example SEA-HKG, they can make an easy connection through NRT which isn't much out of the way. Without the Japanese hub, NW would have to invest a lot of money to create a strong west coast hub, or else lose half the countries demand to Asia. Also you can get into some range issues from DTW, since it is farther to Asia, and the only plane in NWs fleet that can make DTW to Asia is the 744.

UA and AC have SFO and YVR respectively that both have a large amount of feed and demand for Asian travel. People tend to prefer not having to make domestic connections after international flights as well. It is a lot easier going HKG-NRT-SEA then HKG-SFO-SEA since you need a lot of time to get through customs and immigration and then have to deal with a short hop after flying for hours. With the slots and the rights to carry onwards passengers from Japan, UA and NW can do very well with a NRT semi hub.



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