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BUF Main Runway Improvement Postponed  
User currently offlineZRB2 From United States of America, joined May 2000, 896 posts, RR: 0
Posted (9 years 6 months 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 1934 times:

Nothing earth shattering here. I saw a blurb in the paper the other day and thought i'd post it for the BUF posters/lurkers on this board. This summer they were supposed to close and rehabilitate the main runway for 3 months (and extend the runway 23 end a few hundred feet out towards the NYS thruway). It's postponed until the Summer of 2006 due to a strike by heavy-equipment operators.
"Local 17, International Union of Operating Engineers, whose members operate bulldozers, cranes and other heavy equipment, went on strike April 4."

Also, here's a nice shot of the airport courtesy of the very cool google maps feature. It's obviously a year or so old since in this shot they have not yet completed the extension of runway 14-32 (now 7,100'). You can see the dirt pile on the runway 23 end where they will build up the ground and extend it.
http://maps.google.com/maps?q=buf&ll...14&spn=0.019183,0.030384&t=k&hl=en

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User currently offlineDAYflyer From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 3807 posts, RR: 3
Reply 1, posted (9 years 6 months 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 1920 times:

I flew out of BUF once. I am surprised at how small the terminal is when compared with other cities of comperable size/population. Thanks for the link.
Any idea when they will start again?



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User currently offlineDanny From Poland, joined Apr 2002, 3514 posts, RR: 3
Reply 2, posted (9 years 6 months 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 1916 times:

Quoting DAYflyer (Reply 1):
I flew out of BUF once. I am surprised at how small the terminal is when compared with other cities of comperable size/population.

You should compare with ROC, SYR or ALB. BUF is definitely the biggest. The terminal is just right - it fits all carriers currently operating there plus it has some reserves.


User currently offlineKBUF737 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 779 posts, RR: 3
Reply 3, posted (9 years 6 months 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 1896 times:

Its such a user friendly little terminal though. Security gets crazy early mornings and afternoons though.


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User currently offlineZRB2 From United States of America, joined May 2000, 896 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (9 years 6 months 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 1902 times:

I am surprised at how small the terminal is when compared with other cities of comperable size/population.

You might have a point when you consider that roughly 1.2 million people make up the Buffalo/Niagara/Chautauqua metro area. That puts Buffalo just behind metro areas of Nashville, Austin & Memphis and just in front of Louisville, Hartford, Jacksonville & Salt Lake. I don't know how many gates those other airports have in comparison to the 25 at BUF? but at least a few of those are huge pax/cargo facilities.
Also, Rochester with their metro population of 1+ million is only a mere 60 miles away and has their own fine airport.


User currently offlineQxq400 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 255 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (9 years 6 months 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 1877 times:

Is the "new Terminal" were the old one use to be? I can remember growing up there as a little boy in the 70's. My favorite thing to do with my Grandpa was to go to the airport and watch the planes take off and land. Hopefully I can get back this year.


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User currently offlineThe rock From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 39 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (9 years 5 months 4 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 1796 times:

Danny flyer,

Have you been to ROC?

I 'm not sure that BUF is larger than ROC in sq. ft.

The Rock


User currently offlinePanAm330 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 2687 posts, RR: 9
Reply 7, posted (9 years 5 months 4 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 1780 times:

Quoting ZRB2 (Reply 4):
I don't know how many gates those other airports have in comparison to the 25 at BUF?

SYR has 24 gates (#1-27, excluding 16-18), and I believe the airports are almost identical, space-wise. SYR has a longer runway, though.


User currently offlineDanny From Poland, joined Apr 2002, 3514 posts, RR: 3
Reply 8, posted (9 years 5 months 4 weeks ago) and read 1717 times:

Quoting The rock (Reply 6):
I 'm not sure that BUF is larger than ROC in sq. ft.

Buffalo serves almost twice as many passengers as Rochester. Not sure of the quare feet but it's large enough.


User currently offlineDCA-ROCguy From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 4509 posts, RR: 34
Reply 9, posted (9 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 1701 times:

When the first phase of BUF's new terminal was completed in 1997, according to the architect's website, it was 285,000 square feet. The second phase, the gates where WN/CO/NW/DH/DL are now located, probably added another 80,000 or so; I couldn't find figures for it. That would put BUF's terminal at about 365,000 square feet.

ROC's current terminal, according to Monroe County documents published when the project began, is 370,000 square feet. So the ROC and BUF buildings are similar in size.

In 2003, BUF handled 4.1 million passengers. ROC handled 2.5 million the same year, so it's more than half. In 2004 ROC handled 2.76 million. I couldn't find BUF's figures for 2004. ROC was up 15 percent in Jan. 2005 compared to Jan. 2004, and 13 percent in March 2005 compared to March 2004. BUF is probably seeing similar increases.

Jim



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User currently offlineDAYflyer From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 3807 posts, RR: 3
Reply 10, posted (9 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 1684 times:

Quoting Danny (Reply 2):
You should compare with ROC

I used to live in ROC and have flown from the old and new erminals many times. ROC is much smaller than BUF, thats why I was surprised to learn of the reserve space there.

Who is the dominant carrier at BUF??



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User currently offlineDanny From Poland, joined Apr 2002, 3514 posts, RR: 3
Reply 11, posted (9 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 1685 times:

There is no dominant carrier here. Currently US Airways is definitely the largest in number of departures, not sure in numbers of pax though. They opened their lounge recently.

Southwest and JetBlue are growing fast mainly thanks to Canadians. I saw statistics that 37% of passengers at BUF is from Canada. Also NWA is doing well flying all mainline to DTW and MSP with good loads.


User currently offlineDCA-ROCguy From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 4509 posts, RR: 34
Reply 12, posted (9 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 1669 times:

US Airways is still dominant at ROC, if you can call it that, with around 20 percent of passengers. That's a big drop in market share from the mid-1990's, when about 50 percent of our pax flew US. The Rochester paper reported in January that low-fare carriers now carry 30 percent of ROC pax. That suggests to me that JetBlue and AirTran are each probably around 12-13 percent of market share and Independence is probably 2-3 percent. I haven't been able to get actual 2004 ROC market share figures by airline yet.

It's unlikely that any other network carrier even has 10 percent of ROC market share any more, though UA and DL are probably close.

US closed their ROC and SYR lounges on Dec. 3, 2004. BUF's is still open? When the US lounge at ROC opened in 1985, membership was $40 per year. According to the Democrat and Chronicle, at the time of closing, membership is $250-$375 per year.

Jim



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User currently offlineZRB2 From United States of America, joined May 2000, 896 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (9 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 1649 times:

Just to chime in on some of the numbers... in 2004 BUF handled 4.4 million passengers.

The airport estimates that in October 2000, Canadians made up 10% of the airport traffic. In October 2004 that number jumped to 29%.


User currently offlineBDLGUY From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 194 posts, RR: 4
Reply 14, posted (9 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 1649 times:

Any news regarding The Flying Tiger Restaurant at BUF?

Thanks!
John Perrotta/BDL



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User currently offlineDCA-ROCguy From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 4509 posts, RR: 34
Reply 15, posted (9 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 1627 times:

The airport estimates that in October 2000, Canadians made up 10% of the airport traffic. In October 2004 that number jumped to 29%.

Part of that increase in percentage is probably due to fewer Rochester people using BUF than in October 2000. JetBlue had just started at ROC a few months before and wasn't ramped up to five dailies yet. Also, AirTran didn't enter ROC until March 2002, and of course Indy in July 2004.

Still, though, most of that increase must be a big increase in Canadians coming over. YYZ certainly doesn't lack for low-fare service to Florida, or the US west coast; WestJet also serves LGA and I think (correct me if wrong) MDW. I'll bet a lot of "Golden Horseshoe" folks find BUF much more pleasant to use than congested YYZ. And of course Southwest, AirTran and Indy offer low-fare access from BUF to lots of USA markets that aren't covered by WestJet, CanJet, or AirTransat.

If ROC keeps growing at its first-quarter 2005 pace, it should break 3 million for the first time this year. BUF should get to at least 4.8 million, though we can always hope for 5 million.  Smile

Jim



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User currently offlineBUFjets From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 231 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (9 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 1567 times:

Has anybody seen KBUF Runway 14-32 used for Mainline Traffic (737's, DC-9's, A320's) recently?

User currently offlineUnited_Fan From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 7507 posts, RR: 7
Reply 17, posted (9 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 1561 times:

Flying Tigers is still closed as of April.


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User currently offlineDanny From Poland, joined Apr 2002, 3514 posts, RR: 3
Reply 18, posted (9 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 1559 times:

Quoting BUFjets (Reply 16):
Has anybody seen KBUF Runway 14-32 used for Mainline Traffic (737's, DC-9's, A320's) recently?

Yes, I saw Delta MD-88 departing from 32 as well as Soutwest 737 landing on it.


User currently offlineZRB2 From United States of America, joined May 2000, 896 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (9 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 1517 times:

Has anybody seen KBUF Runway 14-32 used for Mainline Traffic (737's, DC-9's, A320's) recently?

I was at BUF yesterday for a couple hours before my flight and watched several planes land on 32. Among them were two Southwest 737's and four ERJ's. The others were commuter props. All the takeoffs and some other landings were on rwy 23.

I also saw two all white Voyageur Airways planes land (Dash 7 & Dash 8). Anyone know who they are? Thanks.


User currently offlineJcarv From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 364 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (9 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 1501 times:

The Voyageur Airways planes were clearing customs in BUF headed toward Bombardier in Clarksburg, WV

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