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User currently offlineHardiwv From Brazil, joined Oct 2004, 8780 posts, RR: 49
Posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 3187 times:

As of 2 June/05 NYC-based tour agent Avocet will partnet with RG and start weekly charter flight JFK-SSA operated by VARIG with the B767-300, in two classes. The flight will be nonstop and is expected to increase to twice weekly in December/05.

Details on:

http://www.avocettravel.com/travel/home.asp

"Non-stop to Bahia has never been so fast.
Want to save 7 hours?

Round-trip, non-stop charter flights from JFK to Salvador, Bahia, Brazil leaving every Thursday, beginning June 2, 2005.

Avocet Travel has partnered with VARIG, the largest air transportation company in Latin America, to provide the best of in-flight experience. Operating 115 aircraft, VARIG serves 19 countries on four continents and 34 cities within Brazil. Our in-flight service is provided by Varig's flight attendants, and we offer traditional Brazilian food and drinks as well as information about Bahia while en route. Our charter aircraft, a Boeing 767-300, is configured in business and coach classes with 12 business class and 233 coach class seats. "


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User currently offlineErikwilliam From Brazil, joined Mar 2004, 2152 posts, RR: 11
Reply 1, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 3136 times:

that´s great new, will it be a regular service or seasonal??

will they use these kind of jets?


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User currently offlineXkorpyoh From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 819 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 3087 times:

I took the TAM SSA-MIA and it does save you a lot of time!. The airport is very nice and modern and not congested at all. The flight was leaving at 930am and immigration and security for intl flights didnt open until 9am!. Boarding was easy and had a minor delay but ontime arrival.
There is another tour operator doing nonstop from NYC to Natal as well. nice beaches there!


User currently offlineLatinAviation From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 1276 posts, RR: 14
Reply 3, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 3073 times:

Quoting Xkorpyoh (Reply 2):
There is another tour operator doing nonstop from NYC to Natal as well.

Yes, it's Blue Brazil, iirc.


User currently offlineHardiwv From Brazil, joined Oct 2004, 8780 posts, RR: 49
Reply 4, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 3005 times:

Quoting Erikwilliam (Reply 1):
that´s great new, will it be a regular service or seasonal??

Regular, charter flight, once weekly and as of December/05 twice weekly.

Quoting Erikwilliam (Reply 1):
will they use these kind of jets?

Correct, RG will deploy the B767-300 - some RG's B767s are freed up because of the introduction of B777s in RG's fleet. RG also operates charter for European destinations with the B763s in co-operation with Lisbon-based EuroAtlantic.

Quoting Xkorpyoh (Reply 2):
I took the TAM SSA-MIA and it does save you a lot of time!. The airport is very nice and modern and not congested at all.

Indeed, international arrivals in GRU in peek hours could take long waiting time. SSA is a great modern airport and has increasingly received more international flights, especially charters.

SSA airport:


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User currently offlineLUV4JFK From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 462 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 2979 times:

Now if they could just bring back non-stop service to Rio again. Now that would be sweet too.

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User currently offlinePPVRA From Brazil, joined Nov 2004, 8964 posts, RR: 39
Reply 6, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 2925 times:

Varig going "a la TAP"

Smart move, and I hope they continue to expand out of the NE.

PPVRA



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User currently onlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32782 posts, RR: 72
Reply 7, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 2885 times:

Quoting PPVRA (Reply 6):
Varig going "a la TAP"

Smart move, and I hope they continue to expand out of the NE.

They are not going "a la TAP". This is a charter flight. It isn't even Varig's move, it is the tour company that is agreeing to charter the plane. Varig just happens to operate it.



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User currently offlinePPVRA From Brazil, joined Nov 2004, 8964 posts, RR: 39
Reply 8, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 2866 times:

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 7):
They are not going "a la TAP". This is a charter flight. It isn't even Varig's move, it is the tour company that is agreeing to charter the plane. Varig just happens to operate it.

Ok, whatever, but it's still a good way of testing the water for a future independent non-stop/direct flight.

Cheers,
PPVRA



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User currently offlineHardiwv From Brazil, joined Oct 2004, 8780 posts, RR: 49
Reply 9, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 2869 times:

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 7):
They are not going "a la TAP".

Agree, this does not have anything to do with TAP's strategy. VARIG is only operating the flight on behalf of Avocet. RG's strategy is very clear: hub all fligts to GRU and to lesser degree GIG.

Continental, on the other hand, could be a perfect player to operate nonstop flights from the US to Northeast Brazil with the 757. As stated before, this is impossible as there are no slots in the US-Brazil bilateral.

Rgs,


User currently onlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32782 posts, RR: 72
Reply 10, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 2847 times:

Quoting Hardiwv (Reply 9):
Continental, on the other hand, could be a perfect player to operate nonstop flights from the US to Northeast Brazil with the 757. As stated before, this is impossible as there are no slots in the US-Brazil bilateral.

Continental?!?

The perfect player would be American Airlines from Miami. The O&D market is larger to Miami from the secondary markets due to simple proximity, but, far more importantly than that, Miami provides a huge cachment area. Newark does not.

And AA wants to do it. They've already done feasability studies, and very much want to launch Miami service to secondary Brazilian cities, starting with Manaus. They would love to be flying to Fortaleza, Belem, Recife, Salvador, and Brasilia too. As you say, though, with no US-Brazil frequencies, it is not happening. Another problem is that, as US tourists need visas to go to Brazil, traffic is much more limited than it could be if that restriction were to be lifted, as Americans will just go to Peru and Argentina instead. There is huge potential for Americans and the Northeast Brazilian resort towns.



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User currently offlineHardiwv From Brazil, joined Oct 2004, 8780 posts, RR: 49
Reply 11, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 2821 times:

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 10):
The perfect player would be American Airlines from Miami.



Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 10):
And AA wants to do it. They've already done feasability studies, and very much want to launch Miami service to secondary Brazilian cities, starting with Manaus. They would love to be flying to Fortaleza, Belem, Recife, Salvador, and Brasilia too

You are correct, AA would have much more leverage in the Brazilian market: 1) MIA hub; 2) AA is more known in Brazil because of its JJ cooperation.

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 10):
with no US-Brazil frequencies, it is not happening

When are the authorities get real and revise the agreement? Are there any negotiations under way? Dont they realise the seriousness of the problem?

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 10):
Another problem is that, as US tourists need visas to go to Brazil,

This is because of the "reciprocity" rule that governs Brazil VISA policy.
However, currently the Brazilian Parliament is discussing a new VISA policy for US citizens (sponsored by the Ministry of Tourist and with strong lobby from US Embassy): VISA for US citizens would be issued on arrival in Brazil. An outcome is expected by the end of the year.

Rgs,


User currently onlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32782 posts, RR: 72
Reply 12, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 2811 times:

Quoting Hardiwv (Reply 11):
When are the authorities get real and revise the agreement? Are there any negotiations under way? Dont they realise the seriousness of the problem?

I have no idea, though I do know AA is pushing hard for them. The US would be all for it. It is the Brazilians that are probably against it, because it would put their carriers at a potential disadvantage, as the US airlines have better resources to better exploit the market. In the end, this will come to benefit smaller cities throughout Brazil, but it won't benefit Varig or TAM, who use only 32 of their 105 US-Brazil frequencies.

Quoting Hardiwv (Reply 11):
This is because of the "reciprocity" rule that governs Brazil VISA policy.
However, currently the Brazilian Parliament is discussing a new VISA policy for US citizens (sponsored by the Ministry of Tourist and with strong lobby from US Embassy): VISA for US citizens would be issued on arrival in Brazil. An outcome is expected by the end of the year.

Hopefully that will come about. While I totally agree that Brazil has every right to require US citizens to get VISAs, they are only hurting themselves, unfortunately, while Americans are starting to flock to Argentina and Peru.



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User currently offlineHardiwv From Brazil, joined Oct 2004, 8780 posts, RR: 49
Reply 13, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 2759 times:

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 12):
It is the Brazilians that are probably against it, because it would put their carriers at a potential disadvantage

Correct. They need to strike a balance in the new agreement.

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 12):
they are only hurting themselves

I am not sure. Brazil is a different case, its economy is much bigger (you could subtract all US tourist from Brazil and the impact in the economy would be zero), an its diplomatic ambitions are at another level, more similar to China for example. Still even with the VISA requirement and high fees US-Brazil traffic is intense and showing strong increase. [Keep in mind that Brazilians dont need VISA for Europe - and this was fruit of the Brazilian reciprocity policy], and Brazilian tourism is doing extremelly well.

In my opinion, I do hope the Congress approves the new regulations for VISA on arrival in case of US citizens. And I also hope this will sensitise US authorities to urgently reshape their VISA policy for Brazilians. In a continental country such as Brazil, the US has only four consulates: BSB, GRU, GIG and REC...a situation agravated by the fact that the US requires Brazilians to be interviewed in person! It means that a Brazilian living, for example, in MAO would have to travel to BSB (~1,500 miles) for an interview...imagine a family of 4 wanting to travel to Miami, can you calculate the cost???

Rgs,

[Edited 2005-04-29 20:58:21]

User currently onlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32782 posts, RR: 72
Reply 14, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 2706 times:

Quoting Hardiwv (Reply 13):
and Brazilian tourism is doing extremelly well.

It is, and without visas for American, it would be doing even better.



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User currently offlineN77014 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 2575 times:

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 12):
Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 12):
It is the Brazilians that are probably against it, because it would put their carriers at a potential disadvantage

Correct. They need to strike a balance in the new agreement.

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 12):
they are only hurting themselves

I am not sure. Brazil is a different case, its economy is much bigger (you could subtract all US tourist from Brazil and the impact in the economy would be zero), an its diplomatic ambitions are at another level, more similar to China for example. Still even with the VISA requirement and high fees US-Brazil traffic is intense and showing strong increase. [Keep in mind that Brazilians dont need VISA for Europe - and this was fruit of the Brazilian reciprocity policy], and Brazilian tourism is doing extremelly well.

In my opinion, I do hope the Congress approves the new regulations for VISA on arrival in case of US citizens. And I also hope this will sensitise US authorities to urgently reshape their VISA policy for Brazilians. In a continental country such as Brazil, the US has only four consulates: BSB, GRU, GIG and REC...a situation agravated by the fact that the US requires Brazilians to be interviewed in person! It means that a Brazilian living, for example, in MAO would have to travel to BSB (~1,500 miles) for an interview...imagine a family of 4 wanting to travel to Miami, can you calculate the cost???

Rgs,

[Edited 2005-04-29 20:58:21]



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Well in the case of most latin countries...without stringent visa requirements, they would abuse the present tourist visa system and never leave when it expired.


User currently offlineHardiwv From Brazil, joined Oct 2004, 8780 posts, RR: 49
Reply 16, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 2505 times:

Quoting N77014 (Reply 15):
without stringent visa requirements, they would abuse the present tourist visa system and never leave when it expired.

I am not sure about this statement. In the case of Europe, Brazilians dont need VISA and the system has been working fine.

Also, I really DONT see the need for personal interview for US VISA, especially in a huge country such as Brazil.

Rgs,


User currently offlineCactusTECH From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 2456 times:

i hate those Varig 767's, they break all the time here cant put enough MEL's either

User currently offlineHardiwv From Brazil, joined Oct 2004, 8780 posts, RR: 49
Reply 18, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 2446 times:

Quoting CactusTECH (Reply 17):
Varig 767's, they break all the time here

RG does not use B767 into JFK - RG operates B777 daily to JFK.

Rgs,


User currently offlineCactusTECH From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 2385 times:

before the 777 Varig was bringing the 767 which is not even ETOPS and i have to say that Varigs maintenance has got to be one of the worst i have ever see and i have seen bad!!!!

User currently offlineHardiwv From Brazil, joined Oct 2004, 8780 posts, RR: 49
Reply 20, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 2358 times:

Quoting CactusTECH (Reply 19):
before the 777 Varig was bringing the 767

Before the B777 RG used the MD-11 daily to JFK. It has been a long time that RG used the B767 to JFK. Maybe you are confusing RG with VarigLog, which is RG's cargo company. I guess they operate some B767s to JFK.

Quoting CactusTECH (Reply 19):
that Varigs maintenance has got to be one of the worst i have ever see

VEM, Varig Engineering and Maintenance, is a profitable and world class company, the biggest in Latin America (more than 1,100 staff), and a portoflio of clients to envy any airline. It undertakes C checks for many major airlines:

http://www.varigvem.com.br/VME/VEM_Index.htm

Rgs,


User currently offlinePPVRA From Brazil, joined Nov 2004, 8964 posts, RR: 39
Reply 21, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 2292 times:

Quoting CactusTECH (Reply 19):
which is not even ETOPS

Why would it need ETOPS certification to NYC?

PPVRA



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User currently offlineN77014 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 2275 times:

Quoting Hardiwv (Reply 16):
am not sure about this statement. In the case of Europe, Brazilians dont need VISA and the system has been working fine.

Also, I really DONT see the need for personal interview for US VISA, especially in a huge country such as Brazil.

Rgs,

It is not the issue of the size of the country. The issue is that some countries have a history of overstaying their visas. Hence, the current situation.

Brazilians don't have the luxury of simply walking over, like mexicans and central americans do, nor taking advantage of asylum laws that cubans, or some central americans do.


User currently offlinePPVRA From Brazil, joined Nov 2004, 8964 posts, RR: 39
Reply 23, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 2261 times:

Quoting N77014 (Reply 22):
It is not the issue of the size of the country. The issue is that some countries have a history of overstaying their visas. Hence, the current situation.

You mixed up two different things Hardi was saying, one is answering the VISA requirement thing and the other is about having to have a personal interview at U.S. cosulates in Brazil, of which there are only a handful located far away from certain cities (when country "size" becomes as issue ).

Cheers,
PPVRA



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User currently offlineN77014 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 2254 times:

Stand corrected.


However, if Nicaraguans want to get a visa, they have to hike all the way to Managua, which could be an all day trip from where they are just as well.


25 Erikwilliam : there´s too much ilegal imigrants in US, much much much more than EU, and the US has always been more closed to this issue than EU. Probably cause E
26 Hardiwv : I am not sure about this fact. There are many illegal immigrants in Europe as well, and still the EU has a NO VISA policy for Brazilians...I agree th
27 Erikwilliam : I´m, over 2milion brazilians live in the USA, about 700.000 are ilegal.
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