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Using The Lav In Your Ticketed Cabin...not!  
User currently offlineAstrojet707 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 299 posts, RR: 5
Posted (9 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 4222 times:

In the past two weeks I have flown NW regional and mainline, DL regional and mainline AA regional and mainline and HP regional and mainline. AA is the only carrier of these f that makes the "security" announcement. The TSAs new policy requires passengers to only use the lavatory in their ticketed cabin. On my flights NW, DL and HP made no such announcement. Any comments? Are the airlines using the TSA to keep Y folks from F lavs? Thanks.

AJ707

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User currently offlineZippyjet From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 5488 posts, RR: 13
Reply 1, posted (9 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 4213 times:

Not that I know of. Maybe there was some security or safety issue on that particular flight and, maybe the cabin crew felt what you don't know won't hurt you. Again, this is news to me. In three years with my company, FL I have never heard of any instances from passengers or fellow crewmembers regarding "lavatory turf rules."


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User currently offlineSnaiks From Panama, joined Mar 2005, 216 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (9 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 4149 times:

DL did on both flight i traveled with them MSY-ATL-PTY and PTY-ATL-MSY

User currently offlineNewark777 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 9348 posts, RR: 29
Reply 3, posted (9 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 4145 times:

I flew DL EWR-SLC a week ago, and I used the first class bathroom. Guess I'm considered a terrorist by some people.  Yeah sure

Harry



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User currently offlineSHUPirate1 From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 3670 posts, RR: 16
Reply 4, posted (9 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 4130 times:

On every flight I have taken in the last year on either United Airlines or US Airways that has had a first-class cabin, the announcement has been made about passengers using the lavatory in their ticketed cabin only. Of course, does that mean that when I was ticketed in first, but seated in coach, on one of my flights a few weeks ago (due to a near-misconnect), I'm supposed to use the first-class lavatory or the coach lavatory?


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User currently offlineFbgdavidson From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2004, 3713 posts, RR: 28
Reply 5, posted (9 years 5 months 4 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 3928 times:

I flew on UA last year and an annoucement was made, as desribed above, only ticketed passengers to use their respective bathrooms. Didn't stop folks in the front few rows of coach moving forward and queuing for the J lavs though  Yeah sure


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User currently offlineJafa39 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (9 years 5 months 4 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 3901 times:

More likely some US politicain found evidence that "poor people" had used the lav in 1st class and is using TSA to reinforce snobbery.

Mind you, it never occured to me to use the upgraded lavs, after the obnoxious little arse who wouldn't let me go into Business class on NZ1 to check on my aged father-in-law, i tend to keep my station!

BTW, after a change of FA's at LAX we got a much friendlier bunch and all was well.


User currently offlineANCFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (9 years 5 months 4 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 3833 times:

Quoting SHUPirate1 (Reply 4):
does that mean that when I was ticketed in first, but seated in coach, on one of my flights a few weeks ago (due to a near-misconnect), I'm supposed to use the first-class lavatory or the coach lavatory?

Split a few more hairs there, SHUPirate.

The announcement needs no explanation . . . if you're ticketed and seated in Y, use the Y lav. If tickets in F and sitting in F, use the F lav. Sounds too simple to screw up.


User currently offlineDutchjet From Netherlands, joined Oct 2000, 7864 posts, RR: 57
Reply 8, posted (9 years 5 months 4 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 3816 times:

My experience is that aside from the general ""use the lav in your own cabin and the first class lav is reserved for customers sitting in that section and we ask you to respect this arrangment" line that most cabin crew use as part of their pre-flight announcement, on flights from foreign destinations into the USA, an additional annoucement is made about new TSA regulations that require a pax to remain in the cabin in which they are seated, not to use lavs in other cabins, and a request is made not to congregate in the areas by the lavs or galleys so that F/As always have a clear view down the aisles. On certain flights, the pilot or first officer repeated this direction and specifically asked that the pax follow these rules.

I am not trying to be cute, but do international flights have stricter lav rules than domestic services?


User currently offlineDeltAirlines From United States of America, joined May 1999, 8906 posts, RR: 12
Reply 9, posted (9 years 5 months 4 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 3805 times:

I've heard it on quite a few DL flights now...they also announced it on one of my NW flights last month, and on both my US flights.

This week, I'm flying US to SFO on Wednesday, and the DL to MCO on Thursday (7 flight, 6700+ miles in two days...it's gonna be a long day)...I'll have to see whether or not they make these announcements on the mainline flights (my GSO-CLT-GSO and GSO-MCO flights are on RJs).

Jeff


User currently offlineJacobin777 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 14968 posts, RR: 60
Reply 10, posted (9 years 5 months 4 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 3729 times:

Quoting Zippyjet (Reply 1):
Maybe there was some security or safety issue on that particular flight

i fly on AA every few weeks, and I can't recall the last time it WASN'T mentioned...I know its standard policy for AA.



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User currently offlineSLC1 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (9 years 5 months 4 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 3696 times:

The closest thing that I've heard is that you're required to wait so many rows back when waiting for the lavatories at the front of the aircraft.

User currently offlineTundra767 From Hong Kong, joined Jan 2005, 430 posts, RR: 4
Reply 12, posted (9 years 5 months 4 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 3658 times:

It is a security directive from the TSA that passengers are to use the lavatory in their respective cabins. I will have a look in our company website and see if I can't find the exact bulletin from the TSA on this matter.

User currently offlineAAR90 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 3476 posts, RR: 46
Reply 13, posted (9 years 5 months 4 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 3659 times:

Quoting Astrojet707 (Thread starter):
Are the airlines using the TSA to keep Y folks from F lavs?

No, it is not AA "policy" but rather a TSA regulation requiring compliance by all USA airlines.



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User currently offlinePA110 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 2008 posts, RR: 23
Reply 14, posted (9 years 5 months 4 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 3606 times:
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Ya know, its just basic common courtesy to use the lav of your ticketed cabin. There was a recent thread about someone whining that AA discontinued special meals in F class domestically. Wow! News Flash! SERVICE IS DECREASING!!!

However, the price of a First Class ticket does come with the expectation that there will be fewer passengers per lav, and access to them will be easier than back in the cheap seats. Same for Business Class. Now, it may not be fair that there just aren't enough lavs, or that the configuration of the aircraft makes it inconvenient for some Economy passengers to get to their designated lavs, but, that's life. Deal with it. Just stop whining.



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User currently offlineSTLGph From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 9413 posts, RR: 26
Reply 15, posted (9 years 5 months 4 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 3538 times:

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 7):
Split a few more hairs there, SHUPirate.

The announcement needs no explanation . . . if you're ticketed and seated in Y, use the Y lav. If tickets in F and sitting in F, use the F lav. Sounds too simple to screw up.

well, it seems too simple to screw up simple grammar. somehow, you did.

SHUP babes said-
"On every flight I have taken in the last year on either United Airlines or US Airways that has had a first-class cabin, the announcement has been made about passengers using the lavatory in their ticketed cabin only. Of course, does that mean that when I was ticketed in first, but seated in coach, on one of my flights a few weeks ago (due to a near-misconnect), I'm supposed to use the first-class lavatory or the coach lavatory?"


if you're ticketed for first class, per the age old tradition of, following the directions, it would be for him to use the first class shitters even if he's in the back, because after all, that's where he is ticketed.

shup babes is phunny. i wish i would have been in his position, i could have had a lot of fun with that one.



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User currently offlineGQfluffy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (9 years 5 months 4 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 3515 times:

Hey, if fluffy here has to go, fluffy will go. Doesn't matter where fluffy goes, as long as it isn't in fluffy's seat. Besides, fluffy likes the F lav's tp. More bang for the buck, fluffy says.

fluffy


User currently offlineJafa39 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (9 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 3301 times:

Passenger Pee-Pee On The Aisles In Flight!

Check out this thread, kinda puts the argument into perspective .Lol!


User currently offlineAdam From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 465 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (9 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 3294 times:

Quoting SHUPirate1 (Reply 4):
On every flight I have taken in the last year on either United Airlines or US Airways that has had a first-class cabin, the announcement has been made about passengers using the lavatory in their ticketed cabin only.

ditto on UA and US.

adam



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User currently offlineJox From Sweden, joined Jan 2003, 124 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (9 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 3216 times:
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I have been on 3 UA flights the last week. As I can remember, they didn't make that announcement about using the lav in the ticketed cabin on any of those flights. Nor did they object when one passenger from Y+ went to the F lav.

User currently offlineMcdu From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 1474 posts, RR: 17
Reply 20, posted (9 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 3194 times:

The announcement is required per the TSA for international flights and is supposed to be worded similarly as follows.

"Per TSA and FAA security directives passengers are required to use the lavatories in their ticketed cabins. Also passengers are not allowed to congregate in one area. Please keep all aisle ways and passages clear at all times."

The Pilots are supposed to make this announcement on the inbound segments to the US. I believe most airlines have now adopted this as a standard policy for all segments as it provides a bit better crowd control.

Keeping large groups from migrating from coach to the F class loos may prevent some groups of rowdy passengers from being the recipient of a lead adjustment by a Marshal.


User currently offlineBridogger6 From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 716 posts, RR: 10
Reply 21, posted (9 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 3142 times:

On the last HP flight I took, they said that passengers couldn't line up for the first class lav, but they didn't say that they couldn't use it.

User currently offlineTomFoolery From Austria, joined Jan 2004, 529 posts, RR: 2
Reply 22, posted (9 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 3133 times:

So, I guess the issue here is :
Is this actually a FAA/TSA regulation? If so, does any one have a reference to the FAR?
OR
Is this something that the airlines say in order to avoid being the "BAD GUY" in a situation where of the 4 cans on a plane, the 2 in front serve 8 F/C pax, and 2 in back serve 125 Y PAX and more than 2 Y pax REALLY gotta go?

MD80's come to mind

Tom



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User currently offline764 From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 624 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (9 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 3107 times:

I have just spent three hours reading regulations and I found

NO TSA REGULATION REQUIRING USE OF TICKETED LAV's OR EVEN STAYING IN YOUR CABIN !

What I did find (among other things is this):

- You may not stand in line for the lavatory. Such accumulations are "a threat" and hence "illegal".
- You MAY bring Transformer toys aboard (Yeah!)
- You MAY bring matches, but no lighters....
- Airlines MAY have curtains - all types. Mesh is "recommended".

So it seems to me like the TSA is just a good excuse......


User currently offlineMcdu From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 1474 posts, RR: 17
Reply 24, posted (9 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 3094 times:

Quoting TomFoolery (Reply 22):
Is this actually a FAA/TSA regulation? If so, does any one have a reference to the FAR?
OR

It is a TSA bulletin. The following is information regarding this issue. Why does everyone seem to want to fight this issue? It is a bit like the seat belt sign. No one seems to care anymore that they are violating any type of FAR or directive. They just seem to be the "me" generation. This is a SECURITY directive. Please be mindful of this and cooperate with the airlines on this issue.

There is much more to the bulletin but for security reasons will not publish.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------

The Transportation Security Administration (TSA) requires the following security
procedures.

� Passengers must use the lavatory in their class of cabin.


25 TomFoolery : I don't think it is an act of defiance, rather, a request to cite a source. Part of being a critical reader is to identify both sides of an issue, an
26 Astrojet707 : Hey for what it is worth I would wear Depends and pee in my seat. The reason I started the thread is the inconsistency in the industry. Some carriers
27 Post contains images Newark777 : Oh god, you should go read that thread about the aboriginal who pissed in the aisle. I just hope I never have to sit next to you. Harry
28 CAL : Continental's does an announcement that says "This aircraft is equipped with ______ lavatories. They are located throughout the cabin. The lavatory(ie
29 FA4UA : Important distinction: The TSA requires passengers on US bound flights to not cross between cabins for any reason. At UA, it is OUR security policy to
30 10MID : If I was ticketed in Y but recieved an upgrade to F, do I still use the Y lav?
31 Fbgdavidson : haha of course!
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