GoCOgo From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 701 posts, RR: 2 Posted (8 years 3 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 3665 times:
We've danced around it in a few other threads, but I'll give it its own thread. CO's nonstop service CLE-LGW on a 757-200 with Business First, 16/156. Today, it looks pretty full, about 83%, though other days, it looks pretty darned empty this May, though it should improve as summer sets in a little more. (My info is based solely on the CO.com seat selector, so it's probably inaccurate.) Departs as CO66 at 1930, arrives 750. Returns as CO67 departing at 1155, arrives at 1520, and continues to LAX (not sure if it is the same plane). According to a fellow a.netter, it operates today with N19117. I wish CO luck with it and hope it stays year round this year.
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Highflier92660 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 594 posts, RR: 0 Reply 6, posted (8 years 3 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 3499 times:
Go Clevleand! Every time I think of that 757 flying the 3750 mile CLE-LGW route, I juxstapose 16 Business First passengers comparatively squeezed into a little narrow body, while Virgin Atlantic's Upper Class 747-400 passengers out of the East and West Coast departure points are enjoying the Upper Class Suite with lie-flat beds, walk around space with a full bar, IFE and anything else Richard Branson can dream up. As for an analogy, it's like the differential between runaway bride Jennifer Wilbanks trip out to Albuquerque on a Greyhound bus, and her First Class trip home on a Delta airlines MD-88. Certainly Continental is not getting many through passengers eager to go on that flight.
Lets see, there must be enough controversial tongue-in-cheek wrath in this post to keep the CO CLE-LGW thread going for a while.
Luv2fly From United States of America, joined May 2003, 11957 posts, RR: 51 Reply 7, posted (8 years 3 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 3451 times:
Quoting Highflier92660 (Reply 6): Go Clevleand! Every time I think of that 757 flying the 3750 mile CLE-LGW route, I juxstapose 16 Business First passengers comparatively squeezed into a little narrow body, while Virgin Atlantic's Upper Class 747-400 passengers out of the East and West Coast departure points are enjoying the Upper Class Suite with lie-flat beds, walk around space with a full bar, IFE and anything else Richard Branson can dream up. As for an analogy, it's like the differential between runaway bride Jennifer Wilbanks trip out to Albuquerque on a Greyhound bus, and her First Class trip home on a Delta airlines MD-88. Certainly Continental is not getting many through passengers eager to go on that flight.
Yeah they just run it so people have something to BITCH about! A narrow body across the pond. How 70's
Quoting Highflier92660 (Reply 6): Lets see, there must be enough controversial tongue-in-cheek wrath in this post to keep the CO CLE-LGW thread going for a while.
GoCOgo From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 701 posts, RR: 2 Reply 11, posted (8 years 3 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 3292 times:
Quoting Highflier92660 (Reply 6): I juxstapose 16 Business First passengers comparatively squeezed into a little narrow body, while Virgin Atlantic's Upper Class 747-400 passengers out of the East and West Coast departure points are enjoying the Upper Class Suite with lie-flat beds, walk around space with a full bar, IFE and anything else Richard Branson can dream up.
Hey, 757 service is better than no service. Plus, did you not see the other thread? CO is considering putting seatback IFE on all the 752s and converting them all to international. And you do save a couple of bucks with CO.
Quoting Highflier92660 (Reply 6): Certainly Continental is not getting many through passengers eager to go on that flight.
Well, let's see:
Quoting CLE757 (Reply 2): I've been watching the loads for sometime now, the first four days are about 50-80% booked and than it goes way up.
Quoting Highflier92660 (Reply 6): Lets see, there must be enough controversial tongue-in-cheek wrath in this post to keep the CO CLE-LGW thread going for a while.
I hope so.
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Dutchjet From Netherlands, joined Oct 2000, 7864 posts, RR: 58 Reply 13, posted (8 years 3 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 3220 times:
I have heard many times that CO would very much like to get CLE-LGW back on the schedule on a year-round basis; operating 5 times per week during the winter months. One rumor suggested that year round service might return with the Winter 2005-6 timetable, ie, starting around 1st November 2005.
In recent months, there has been no new information on this topic? Any update on whether CLE-LGW will go year-round or remain seasonal?
Tpaewr From United States of America, joined May 2001, 440 posts, RR: 0 Reply 14, posted (8 years 3 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 3218 times:
I have flown VS a few times and honestly was, sorta let down. From JFK-LHR it was really good. Awesome IFE, and such. But another time LHR-IAD also a 744, it was, just passable J class less service it "seemed" and lesser IFE for sure. I have had much better (and equally tepid) flights on CO757s. My brother has flown VS ex-LGW and was very disapointed. After he took VS LGW-MIA he was done with them and sticks to CO or DL now.
My only real issue with the 75B was the IFE in BF wasn't the same. But it seems this will be fixed soon. After that is will all be in your head! Besides I'd take a motorized kite if it went non-stop to were I wanted to go.
N766UA From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 7996 posts, RR: 27 Reply 17, posted (8 years 3 weeks 3 days ago) and read 3156 times:
Yeah I wouldn't use the continental.com seat selector to determine loads. Leave it to someone with access to Coair. I'm sure glad 66 is back... I remember the very first one depart off 5R back in a day...
Highflier92660 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 594 posts, RR: 0 Reply 18, posted (8 years 3 weeks 3 days ago) and read 3134 times:
Say Falcon84, my airline would use a 28" seat pitch and a 16" wide seat internationally if we could get away with it. At least you people still know the definition of passenger service...and those Business First seats are comfy.
But we're up to 17 replies now in my favorite CLE topic thread.
Geoffm From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2004, 2111 posts, RR: 7 Reply 19, posted (8 years 3 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 3031 times:
Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 10): Quoting Highflier92660 (Reply 6):
I juxstapose 16 Business First passengers comparatively squeezed into a little narrow body,
Ever seen the layout? It's quite roomy and comfy, I assure you.
GoCOgo From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 701 posts, RR: 2 Reply 20, posted (8 years 3 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 2976 times:
Quoting N766UA (Reply 17): Yeah I wouldn't use the continental.com seat selector to determine loads. Leave it to someone with access to Coair.
They may have a lot of error, but it's better than me constantly posting here asking about loads. I find those "what are the loads, 'cause I want to know if I'll get an upgrade" threads annoying. This is the only way I have to inquire to CO employees. Unfortunately we all can't work for an airline.
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ConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 21, posted (8 years 3 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 2946 times:
Quoting Ramprat980 (Reply 16): When will CO get the foot into the door at LHR ?
If Bermuda II is amended, but not abolished, then CO is legally guaranteed to be the 1st USA airline to gain Heathrow access.
If, however, the bilateral is holistically abolished and replaced with something akin to an OpenSkies agreement... then it's every USA airline for itself.
SonOfACaptain From United States of America, joined May 2004, 1747 posts, RR: 5 Reply 23, posted (8 years 3 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 2798 times:
N766UA From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 7996 posts, RR: 27 Reply 24, posted (8 years 3 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 2749 times:
I don't believe there is a relief pilot on the CLE-LGW route.
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25 A340600: Fantastic! Hasn't time gone quick, seems only yesterday they were stopping it for the winter! I'm a bit confused about CO here at the moment. It used
26 GoCOgo: It's just about 8.5 hrs. return, less than 8 on the way (in the air). I don't think they need a relief pilot, provided the pilots are rested 48 hrs. i
27 IADLHR: ConcordeBoy What makes you say that if Bermuda II is amended that CO is the first US airline to get access to LHR? Interesting. Please provide details
28 Falcon84: No, the Relief Pilot goes through EWR, and the reason is simple: it's much less of an economic issue to fly the pilot B/F on a 35 or 48 seat 777 or 7
29 Xms3200: Falcon84, you are right, those B/F seats on CO are delightful, as comfortable as any other airine.
30 RamerinianAir: Falcon84, I do not get what you are saying about the rest pilot! I thought the relief pilot was to be on board so the pilots can have a break. I think
31 Texdravid: I used to live in Cleveland during 1998-2000 and the first flight of CO 752 service to LGW was big news. Heck, even mayor Michael White was on the ina
32 CLE757: Well CO flight 66 went out yesterday with 160 pax and 2 non-revs, which is kinda strange because on May 1, the flight was booked to 109 so we got some
33 GoCOgo: Like Falcon said, NW had some problems with their Sunday night flight, and CO got some rebookings. OF course, we can't count on that every day, so it
34 Yyz717: Why does the LGW-CLE flight need a relief pilot westbound? Why can't the relief pilot fly economy? Alpha, aren't you only 5-7? This is 4 inches short
35 CLE757: oops, sorry I didnt see that post from Falcon, I was wondering why the bookings went way up..The loads(CLE-LGW) do improve greatly after Thursday 80-1
36 Thrust: Wish AA would add back STL-LGW....St. Louis and Cleveland are about equal in population and size...there is no reason why it can't work here too...or
37 CLE757: I dont know why either...TWA had great loads on that route.
38 MasseyBrown: I continue mystified that CO doesn't provide better PIT connections to support this flight, especially since PIT lost its own nonstop.
39 Falcon84: You love playing games, don't you, Yyz717. Get off the height think already. It's getting old. I'm 5'7", and I vanish in those seats, my friend, so s
40 GoCOgo: Well, there is one reason that what CO is doing in CLE works whereas AA couldn't do it in STL. STL-LGW is out of range for a 757. But they might be a
41 CLEfan: Agreed. They could probably pick up a great deal more connections even by tweaking the current schedule. For example, the latest flight on 5/3 for co
42 Jetpixx: I remember hearing about this from Mayor White. I am originally from CLE and have always wished and hoped the airport would be a big international ga
43 ContnlEliteCMH: CLE is definitely a boring airport. I fly through there usually twice per week. Concourse D smells funny, all the time, and has anybody else noticed
44 Xlpants: Several, if you could get them, wouldn't pay for an RJ. Why would anyone in PIT want to connect over CLE, when US pretty much serves the save markets
45 N766UA: Because US doesn't serve LGW from PIT. He's saying pick up connections for the London flight.
46 BHMNONREV: Two words: Crappy yields...Poor to non-existent premium traffic hurt also The 757 would be an ideal aircraft to run STL-LGW if it had the range, ala
47 Mats: I wonder what percentage of passengers on the CLE-LGW flights are connecting at CLE from other US cities. I also wonder if they'll ever fix the custom
48 LambertMan: The real problem with St. Louis-London Gatwick (straight from the horse's mouth) was cargo and winter loads. It was full in the summer with tourists
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