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AA To Pull A300's And 738's Out Of BOS  
User currently offlineAa777flyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 7274 times:

By June 30, AA will pull all A300's and 738's out of BOS. They will be replaced by 757's and S80's. Right now BOS is the ONLY station in the AA system that gets ALL types of aircraft. To cut costs and simplify its operation AA will move those airplanes out of BOS and replace them with 757's and S80's.

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User currently offlineKomododx From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 7189 times:

Are the A300s going to MIA? maybe JFK?

Stefano  wave 


User currently offlineAa777flyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 7179 times:

Id assume a mixture of the two. They will for sure stay on the east coast.

User currently offlineBOSPMV From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 305 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 7174 times:

how will this affect the daily flights to LAX, the 4 daily flights are currently operated on 738s, will they be switched to a 757?

User currently offlineLH423 From Canada, joined Jul 1999, 6501 posts, RR: 54
Reply 4, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 7127 times:

Quoting BOSPMV (Reply 3):
how will this affect the daily flights to LAX, the 4 daily flights are currently operated on 738s, will they be switched to a 757?

Most likely. I don't think the MD-80 could make it and even if it could, I think LGB would start looking a lot more attractive to business travellers.

I'd be interested to know what will happen to the loss in capacity on the MIA and SJU flights.

LH423



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User currently offlineDeltAirlines From United States of America, joined May 1999, 8902 posts, RR: 12
Reply 5, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 7107 times:

I'd assume 757s would go to BOS-LAX. Now that the 738 is going to LRTC, there is no product differentiation (on the 738 beforehand, there would be MRTC, which is a nice thing on a transcon). Also, the 757 would have a larger capacity vs. the 738, which I think BOS can handle, especially with UA having reduced their schedules over the past few years.

Jeff


User currently offlineLaxintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 25436 posts, RR: 49
Reply 6, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 7104 times:

Quoting Komododx (Reply 1):
Are the A300s going to MIA? maybe JFK?

As part of AA maintenance base readjustment, the A300 fleet will be the only type solely cared for at JFK now. While MIA does see the aircraft often, the primary station will be JFK doing Caribbean and Florida flying with the type.



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User currently offlineBOSugaDL From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 7100 times:

So if the A300 to MIA and Caribbean are being replaced with 757's are they going to increase the number of flights, or has capacity for those flights dropped? If capacity has not dropped wouldn't 767-300's make more sense as A300 replacements

Secondly, is this permanent or is it just for the summer? S. Florida and the Caribbean are popular spots for New Englanders in the winter, but I imagine that capacity would fall in the summer.


User currently offlineLH423 From Canada, joined Jul 1999, 6501 posts, RR: 54
Reply 8, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 7095 times:

Quoting DeltAirlines (Reply 5):
Also, the 757 would have a larger capacity vs. the 738, which I think BOS can handle, especially with UA having reduced their schedules over the past few years.

Absolutely. Prior to the removal of MRTC from all planes BOS had a 738, two 757s, and a 767-300 on the LAX route.

Then that went to all 738.

LH423



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User currently offlineSHUPirate1 From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 3670 posts, RR: 17
Reply 9, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 7058 times:

Quoting Aa777flyer (Thread starter):
By June 30, AA will pull all A300's and 738's out of BOS.

Well, why does my schedule have AB6's and 738's in the schedule for the forseeable future, even as I look at March 29, 2006?



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User currently offlineTekelberry From United States of America, joined May 2003, 1459 posts, RR: 4
Reply 10, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 7026 times:

Quoting Aa777flyer (Thread starter):
By June 30, AA will pull all A300's and 738's out of BOS. They will be replaced by 757's and S80's. Right now BOS is the ONLY station in the AA system that gets ALL types of aircraft. To cut costs and simplify its operation AA will move those airplanes out of BOS and replace them with 757's and S80's.

I've heard that this change is actually scheduled for late this year instead of mid-2005.


User currently offlineMSYtristar From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 6570 posts, RR: 51
Reply 11, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 7017 times:

Talk about the end of an era! It will be odd not seeing the big AA Airbii at Logan. But, things change, and in the end, it may be a move for the better. I know that some of the BOS-MIA flights on the AB6's go out very empty from time to time...I have seen a few load over the years with 60/70 people tops on the plane....usually mid week, off season of course.

User currently offlineFlyingTexan From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days ago) and read 7003 times:

Quoting Aa777flyer (Thread starter):
Right now BOS is the ONLY station in the AA system that gets ALL types of aircraft.

Doesn’t Miami share that title as well?

Quoting SHUPirate1 (Reply 9):
Well, why does my schedule have AB6's and 738's in the schedule for the forseeable future, even as I look at March 29, 2006?

Those evil schedule changes – in this case equipment changes. AA does not have the best reputation for informing their customers ahead of time.


User currently offlineSHUPirate1 From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 3670 posts, RR: 17
Reply 13, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days ago) and read 6991 times:

Quoting FlyingTexan (Reply 12):
Doesn’t Miami share that title as well?

Miami no longer sees the Mad Dogs.



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User currently offlineLaxintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 25436 posts, RR: 49
Reply 14, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days ago) and read 6912 times:

Quoting BOSugaDL (Reply 7):
If capacity has not dropped wouldn't 767-300's make more sense as A300 replacements

The 763 is a poor replacement for the A300 due to its high premium cabin configuration. The 757 is more appropriate to replace the A300. Remember the Caribbean and Florida are primarily leisure destinations.



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User currently offlineBehramjee From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 4785 posts, RR: 43
Reply 15, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 6846 times:

AAs AB6s will probably be used to beef up peak summer season services from JFK to Florida and the Carribbean states such as Dominican Republic, Haiti etc. I wont be surprised to see the AB6s taking on extra summer flights trans-atlantic and at times acting as a B 777 or B 767 replacement aircraft.

User currently offlineLaxintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 25436 posts, RR: 49
Reply 16, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 6801 times:

Quoting Behramjee (Reply 15):
AB6s taking on extra summer flights trans-atlantic and at times acting as a B 777 or B 767 replacement aircraft.

AA's A300 are no longer ETOPS qualified for Atlantic crossings. They stopped maintaining them to the higher standards back in January of 2002. With all the penny pinching going on at AA, I do not see them investing money nor staff to get them fully ETOPS again. The do fine running down to the Carrib and Latin America.

Also keep in mind the AB6 has a terrible cabin configuration (16/251). Not a type for any premium traffic.



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User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32799 posts, RR: 71
Reply 17, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 6774 times:

Quoting Aa777flyer (Thread starter):
Right now BOS is the ONLY station in the AA system that gets ALL types of aircraft.

If you count the 767-200ER and 767-300ER as one aircraft, then yes, this is true.

Quoting MSYtristar (Reply 11):
I know that some of the BOS-MIA flights on the AB6's go out very empty from time to time...I have seen a few load over the years with 60/70 people tops on the plane....usually mid week, off season of course.

During peak season, though, especially December through April, the A300 flights are frequently oversold with holiday travelers and Brazilians.

Quoting Behramjee (Reply 15):
AAs AB6s will probably be used to beef up peak summer season services from JFK to Florida

Just a side note, but the only Florida service AA runs from JFK is six daily flights to Miami. Four A300s, one 757, and one 762 (and, between December and April this year, there was a 777 instead of the 762).



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User currently offlineBOSPMV From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 305 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 6604 times:

I have flown a few times on the BOS-MIA-BOS routes, they have all been off-season, the last time was in mid September of last year and this was mid-week and it was packed, over booked infact. I have been looking at the loads between the 2 cities and they are very strong, all through the summer, I would imagine AA likes the BOS-MIA route, it seems to have high yields.

Could the JFK-MIA warrant 6 AB6's? I could see 2 AB6's and 4 757s.


User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32799 posts, RR: 71
Reply 19, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 6537 times:

Quoting BOSPMV (Reply 18):
I would imagine AA likes the BOS-MIA route, it seems to have high yields.

I doubt yields are extraordinary. It is made up for in bulk.

Quoting BOSPMV (Reply 18):
Could the JFK-MIA warrant 6 AB6's?

Of course! Miami-New York City is the 2nd largest O&D market in the United States. You think those MIA-BOS flights go out packed? You should see those MIA-JFK flights! Despite usually weak domestic traffic to JFK, there has always been a huge market between Miami and JFK because of the huge volume of Miami-New York City that isn't going to Manhattan, but Queens and Long Island instead.



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User currently offlineCkfred From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 5242 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 6424 times:

DeltAirlines:

If I remember the press releases, the 757s had both rows of coach returned, so that they had the old seating capacity of 188.

The 737s were originally 20+126 for 146. Then with MRTC, they went to 20+114. Then, 1 row of First was replaced with 2 rows of coach for 16+126. This still had MRTC.

Now, only 1 row of coach has been added, for 16+132. Although the 737s now carry 148 passengers, as opposed to the original configuration of 146, coach currently has more room than the original configuration and the current 757 configuration.


User currently offlineSllevin From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 3376 posts, RR: 6
Reply 21, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 6333 times:

Quoting Behramjee (Reply 15):
I wont be surprised to see the AB6s taking on extra summer flights trans-atlantic and at times acting as a B 777 or B 767 replacement aircraft.

ETOPS aside, I can only see AA subbing a domestically configured aircraft for a regular transatlantic machine in the most dire of circumstances. I suspect they'd just cancel the flight and rebook premium passengers, since no premium passenger is going to pay to sit in Domestic F.

Steve


User currently offlineNYCAAer From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 692 posts, RR: 3
Reply 22, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 6284 times:

I wonder what equipment AA will use for the BOS-SDQ market. They can fill up an A300, although the flights aren't daily. Maybe daily service with a 757?

The Saturday-only service to SDQ with a 777 was only there because the morning departure to LHR didn't operate on Saturdays and they wanted to keep the plane flying. Now that both LHR flights are daily, there's no 777 sitting around.


User currently offlineLUV4JFK From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 462 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 6240 times:

Quoting Aa777flyer (Thread starter):
Right now BOS is the ONLY station in the AA system that gets ALL types of aircraft.

Does BOS also have 767-200 service? If so, I could only see it flying to LAX or MIA, which I doubt they do.

LUV4JFK
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User currently offlineAirbazar From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 8384 posts, RR: 10
Reply 24, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 6204 times:

Quoting LH423 (Reply 4):
I'd be interested to know what will happen to the loss in capacity on the MIA and SJU flights.

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Does anyone else see this downsize as a casualty of the strong LCC presence in the BOS to Florida routes? I guess an introduction of BOS-SJU and BOS-MIA by B6 is not too far off.


25 LH423 : To be honest I'm surprised it's taken B6 this long to get into the SJU market. I'm sure it's inevitable. There has been a considerable loss in capacit
26 Bospmv : no, BOS does not have a 762 serive, they have a 763 serive with the daily n/s to CDG. I read an article in the Boston Globe last month talking about h
27 GothamSpotter : Here it is (excerpted from a press release): JetBlue today announced it has partnered with Massport and HMS Host to promote the "Meals to Fly" progra
28 N1120A : Used to be a mix of 762ERs and 757s. LAX-SFO I think, but LAX-JFK is close Not anymore They used to have them on LAX-BOS all the time, not any more.
29 Post contains links Laxintl : http://www.primezone.com/newsroom/prs/?pkgid=1586
30 Commavia : No, I am pretty sure New York (JFK/LGA/EWR)-Miami(MIA/FLL/PBI) is the single largest O&D market in the US, with several other routes (NYC-LA, LA-SFO,
31 N1120A : If you are using those numbers, I can pretty much guarentee that it is LA-SF. You have flights from 5 LA area airports to 3 Bay Area airports, all wi
32 LH423 : The only 762s that come to BOS now are diversions. LH423
33 Snaiks : I think the AB6 travels PTY-MIA, on high season, i know i did on january
34 Incitatus : BOS-GRU has some potential. There is business traffic, business school traffic and a lot of immigrant traffic. Also, if heading to/fr other points in
35 MAH4546 : That is correct. LA-SF is roughly 18,000 daily passengers, NYC-MIA is about 16,000.
36 Commavia : My mistake then. Sorry.
37 N1120A : Yeah, LA-Bay has more than 100 flights a day, so I would think so.
38 Post contains images LH423 : Ah, the elusive Boston-Brazil connection. Varig announced the route years ago but, obviously, nothing has ever come of it. Although, Varig has never
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