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What Exactly Is A "flag Carrier"?  
User currently offlineBongo From Colombia, joined Oct 2003, 1863 posts, RR: 5
Posted (9 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 7646 times:

I mean...is there any special condition as a flag carrier?
i.e: In Colombia we say that AV is the flag carrier, but why? because it is just the biggest? because the government has shares? (Not in AV's case) or what is exactly the meaning of been any nation's flag carrier?
What is the USA's Flag carrier?


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User currently offline777STL From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 3610 posts, RR: 3
Reply 1, posted (9 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 7609 times:

According to Wikipedia it's "A state-run, state-owned or state-designated transport company or organization, specifically (though not universally required) showing the state flag apparent for public view (state in this context used to mean any principality or country).

I'd take that to mean any airline whose wholly or partially owned by the respective government of the airline's home country. That being said, the USA doesn't have a flag carrier because no airlines are owned by the government.



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User currently offlineSonOfACaptain From United States of America, joined May 2004, 1747 posts, RR: 6
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User currently offlineMariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 25085 posts, RR: 85
Reply 3, posted (9 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 7586 times:
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Actually, the US has a slightly different interpretation.

A number of airlines are designated "flag carrier status".

It is mostly those airlines that fly to international destinations, but that, in itself, is not enough., Frontier flew to Mexico for some time before being granted "flag carrier" status.

This may be some help:

http://research.ucsb.edu/connect/spo/spo13.shtml

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User currently offlineBackfire From Germany, joined Oct 2006, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (9 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 7584 times:

As governments have moved towards disengaging themselves from national airlines, in favour of allowing private investment, so the meaning of the term 'flag-carrier' has loosened. It effectively refers nowadays to the historic primary airline - even if, like British Airways, the company is no longer national.

User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26426 posts, RR: 76
Reply 5, posted (9 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 7585 times:

Quoting 777STL (Reply 1):
According to Wikipedia it's "A state-run, state-owned or state-designated transport company or organization, specifically (though not universally required) showing the state flag apparent for public view (state in this context used to mean any principality or country).

Wikipedia is wrong, as it is about half the time (though not as bad as the A.net database). A Flag Carrier is an airline that is allowed by the government in its country (whether state-owned or not) to "carry the flag" of its home country and fly internationally

Quoting 777STL (Reply 1):
I'd take that to mean any airline whose wholly or partially owned by the respective government of the airline's home country. That being said, the USA doesn't have a flag carrier because no airlines are owned by the government.

The US has many flag carriers. Under FAR 121 certification, an airline can be certified as Domestic (like WN is) or Domestic and Flag (like most carriers). UA, AA, CO, US, DL, B6, F9, AQ, HA and tons of others are all flag carriers.

Quoting Bongo (Thread starter):
What is the USA's Flag carrier?

It used to be PA was the US' long Flag Carrier. Then TW was added. Now the US has many

Quoting Bongo (Thread starter):
In Colombia we say that AV is the flag carrier

Historical reasons mainly



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User currently offlineAV757 From Colombia, joined Apr 2004, 660 posts, RR: 6
Reply 6, posted (9 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 7512 times:
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AV lost its title as flag carrier of Colombia since its sale last November to German Efromovich of Brazil who now owns 75% of the airline.

To have that privilege according to Colombian law you must at least have a 51% share in Colombian participation.

AV is now only 25% owned by the Colombian Coffee Growers Federation, and also the name was changed from "Aerovias Nacionales de Colombia S. A." to "Aerovias del Continente Americano". Making it only the airline of Colombia.

AV757


User currently offlineBongo From Colombia, joined Oct 2003, 1863 posts, RR: 5
Reply 7, posted (9 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 7306 times:

Quoting AV757 (Reply 6):
AV lost its title as flag carrier of Colombia since its sale last November to German Efromovich of Brazil who now owns 75% of the airline.

To have that privilege according to Colombian law you must at least have a 51% share in Colombian participation.

AV757:

But what exactly lost AV? Did they have any preferences before the deal with Mr. Efromovich?
What kind of privileges did they had?



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User currently offlineWdleiser From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 961 posts, RR: 4
Reply 8, posted (9 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 7266 times:

To me a flag carrier is an Airline that represents the country it is based from. Lufthansa is Germany's flag carrier as it shows the pride of Germany, and when people think of Lufthansa they think of Germany. A flag carrier flies with the pride of its country all over the world.

User currently offlineAV757 From Colombia, joined Apr 2004, 660 posts, RR: 6
Reply 9, posted (9 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 7270 times:
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Yes they did, according to the official Constitution of the Republic of Colombia from 1991; aviation is considered public transportation, even though the industry is all free enterprise and has no government participation of any kind and no subsidies; except for Satena which belongs to the Air Force, one of the privileges is if you are the officially approved flag carrier of the country, like a tax relief for transporting Colombia's mail and military troops.

AV757


User currently offlineBCAL From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2004, 3384 posts, RR: 16
Reply 10, posted (9 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 7213 times:

I cannot recall the source but I remember that a flag carrier is the airline designated by the government to represent its interests at home and overseas, and whose aircraft and resources that government can call upon at the time of crisis or war. Therefore, if an emergency evacuation of (say) all UK citizens was required from (say) Indonesia, and there was no airline available or willing to undertake the exercise, the UK Government could call on the designated flag carrier to fulfil its duties.

Most countries have a designated flag carrier. In the majority of cases, this is the state-owned national airline or principal airline of the country - e.g. British Airways for UK, Lufthansa for Germany etc. Before you all say that the USA does not have a flag carrier, under section 401 of the Federal Aviation Act of 1958 (49 U.S.C. 1371) "U.S.-flag air carrier" means an air carrier holding a certificate issued by the US Government, so the US has flag carriers.

In modern times, major airlines are public owned companies. With the public owning shares, it is possible that the ownership of an airline will fall into foreign hands. There are safeguards in this respect. If you are buying shares in British Airways, you have to complete a declaration that you are a UK citizen. If you read the small print, you will see something to the effect that it is necessary for BA to check the nationality of its shareholders in order to retain its status as the principal UK flag carrier.

I hope this helps and someone can add weight to it.

[Edited 2005-05-04 16:56:27]


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User currently offlineFxra From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 706 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (9 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 7097 times:

At one time, and this may nto be true now (or ever), in order to fly the US flag, an airline had to be a participant in the Civil Reserve Air FLeet (CRAF)... or the planes the military can call up in time of war to transport troops and equipment.

Again, that could be incorrect.

Later
JD



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User currently onlineRICARIZA From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 2391 posts, RR: 26
Reply 12, posted (9 years 3 months 3 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 6936 times:

"U.S.-flag air carrier" means an air carrier holding a certificate under section 401 of the Federal Aviation Act of 1958 (49 U.S.C.1371).

More info: http://www.faa.gov/regulations_policies/faa_regulations/



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