Finkenwerder From Germany, joined Apr 2005, 147 posts, RR: 0 Posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 8797 times:
There is much heated discussion here on the banks of the river Elbe as to what exactly BA are thinking about the A380. Our best guess so far (assuming a successful service entry) is that they will watch the Far East and Aussie routes very carefully and then, assuming again all looks fine and dandy and the airlines are in fact making that fabled 15% saving they will take the plunge.
BA have a permanent office here and are heavily involved in all aspects of production on the A319/20/21 they are always suitably inscrutable !
UKA330 From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2004, 60 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 8740 times:
The capacity of the A380 is to great to be considered as a direct replacement for the 744. Also, BA are currently trying to reduce their debt, and highly unlikely to be looking for additional wide-body aircraft. IF, however, they do decide to go for the A380. It will not be for a while yet, and they might only go for about 10-15 airframes.
BCAL From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2004, 3384 posts, RR: 17
Reply 3, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 8677 times:
The word from BA's stables is that at present they have no need for any A380s, and the aircraft would only be suited for a few of their routes if they did. They have not yet said that they have no interest in the A380 and will not be ordering any, but I suspect that as they are not in a hurry and reducing debt is their priority at present, they are waiting to see what Boeing comes up with. In the meantime, they are obviously keeping a close watch on the A380 project and will, if ever, place an order when they feel the time is right and the aircraft is suited for their requirements.
MOL on SRB's latest attack at BA: "It's like a little Chihuahua barking at a dying Labrador. Nobody cares."
AA777 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 2536 posts, RR: 29
Reply 5, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 8619 times:
If Boeing launches the 747 ADV, then I see that as being the replacement. BA MAY still add more A380s for ultra-high density routes like LHR-JFK, or LHR-SYD.... but I still put my $$ on the 747 ADV for BA, since their 747's serve them wonderfully at present.
GDB From United Kingdom, joined May 2001, 13034 posts, RR: 78
Reply 6, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 8494 times:
Ask again in 5 or more years time, BA are not ordering anything right now, and won't be for years.
As for 747Adv, maybe it won't make a difference, and by the time BA comes to order it will be 15-20 year history, but I doubt BA will be too pleased at having a 'choice' of only GE engines.
After the 777 GE90 issues for the first few years (putting all this A340-500/600 in perspective), as well as the poor performance (to this day) of the engine o/haul facility BA sold to GE, as part of the GE90 deal.
Backfire From Germany, joined Oct 2006, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 8287 times:
The irony of it all, of course, is that BA was one of the driving airlines behind the original Very Large Commercial Transport and New Large Aircraft projects, having seen the need for such high-capacity transports.
Dutchjet From Netherlands, joined Oct 2000, 7864 posts, RR: 58
Reply 10, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 8278 times:
BA has publically stated that its not interested in the A380 at this time - but BA is not really interested in any new aircraft at this time since its first priority is to clean up its balance sheet and get its finances and debt under control. So far, BA has done a rather good job in improving its financial position especially when considering the cost of fuel.
Will BA get the A380 in the long run - I think so, mainly because its base is at overcrowded Heathrow where slots are already an issue and things are not likely to get easier in the future. BA, at some point, will have to think about replacing its 747-400 fleet with something, and if the 747A does not launch, I do not see BA downsizing into 773s in the future since its difficult to add flights at LHR - also consider that many routes out of London to key destinations such have rather small departure time windows, ie, flights can only leave at certain hours to allow for a reasonable arrival time, so the big A380 would be useful. Lastly, many of BA's competitors (like VS, EK and QF) will have the A380, and it may be a necessary competitive tool - a lot depends on how the other airlines configure their A380s. While I do not expect spas and shopping malls on board any A380s, the extra space may allow airlines to significantly improve their F and J class products and one of BA's priorities is to maintain and increase premium traffic.
BA and the A380? A definite maybe, not now but later, and a lot depends on Boeing and the 747A.
Nomad From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2005, 56 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 8196 times:
My opinion for what it's worth is that BA will buy the A380 we have several routes that the aircraft could be deployed on right now let alone in 3 or 4 years time. Have any of you tried to get on a flight to any of the following HKG/SYD/MEL/JNB/CPT/BKK/BOM/DEL lately ? I work for the airline and know that we could put her to good use. Furthermore, I reckon we won't wait 5 years, before we sign up for her either. I think once she has proved that she can achieve or beat the operating performance criteria promised by Airbus BA will get on board with an initial order of around 20 frames. In my experience passenger traffic grows each year and we need to look to the future markets. We have probably the best network of routes in the world and the A380 would be a perfect fit. Just wait and see. The B747 Adv is a mod of a 40yr old a/cft and not worth a 2nd look. I'd go for all new technology any day !
FlyCaledonian From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2003, 2034 posts, RR: 3
Reply 15, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 8145 times:
Nomad, I think India wouldn't be a BA A380 destination now that frequencies are being upped and all the new players entering the market. When BA finally looks at replacing its oldest 747-436s it will have several options to look at. Also, you won't see the 747-400 fleet replaced in one go, more likely a third at a time.
BA routes that could use the A380? NRT, HKG, SIN, JNB, LAX and possibly SFO. These are routes where the time windows for flight departures are limited, plus have lengthy flight times, so offering multiple daily frequencies isn't necessarily going to be a winner. Both HKG and LAX have three daily services this summer, HKG staying like that year round.
Again, as BA aims to manage capacity tightly, i.e. primary focus is premium traffic, it might be the case that BA opts to replace its earliest 747-400s with 777-300s, serving the likes of JFK, BOS, YYZ, ORD, MIA, LOS, DEL, BOM, DXB and NBO where it can add frequency if it wants, leaving the newer 747-400s to operate the truely long haul routes. Especially across the North Atlantic the 777-300 would allow BA to maintain its large premium cabins but reduce further low-yielding economy, as well as maintain a good cargo uplift.
Nomad From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2005, 56 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 8078 times:
FlyCaledonian ( I wish I could having worked for them for 18yrs)
Who said anything about replacing B747's. The A380 will be in addition too the B747's at least to begin with. No doubt a gradual replacement would take place. I don't think BA will stand still and wait for all the competition to acquire money making capacity aircraft whilst we lose market share do you ? Do you think it wise to watch your competitors grow fat whilst we are restricted to a meager 300 seats. That's a lot of $$$ dropping from our very pockets every day of operation. A lot of people on this forum think EK are lunatics buying 43 frames, but maybe they are right and if they are we would be eating there dust.
Therefore, if we are to order we need to do it sooner rather than later. Just my thoughts ! Lets wait and see shall we !!!!
DfwRevolution From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 890 posts, RR: 51
Reply 20, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 7904 times:
Quoting Keesje (Reply 7): I think there is a real chance they will not take the A380 in the next 20 years, maybe 10 %
Eh... more optimistic than I.
If I were a betting man, I would say 40% likely that they will get the A388 in the next 5 years. 60% likely that they will get the A388 in 10 years. BA has options and they will by no means have to go down the A380 path.
Quoting DLKAPA (Reply 18): That would sort of negate the need for A380 no?
STT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16650 posts, RR: 52
Reply 22, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 7858 times:
I think British Airways and Boeing are already having discussions on a package deal for 787s, 777-300ERs, 777-200LRs and 747Advanced, the out come of these discussions probably have huge implementations on the A380 or 747Advanced future at British Airways.
Boeing has a great package with their 787 and 777s, Boeing would love to include the 747Advanced for the tri-fecta.
A388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 9511 posts, RR: 11
Reply 23, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 7815 times:
I agree with STT757, Boeing does have an attractive aircraft combination with the 787/777/747Adv. But I also think that LHR is one of the most congested airports in the world, all A380 airlines have ordered the A380 to start flights to LHR. There will just be no other choice than going for larger aircraft and the A380 is the only aircraft available for that purpose. One day I think BA will have no other choice than to go larger, just like the current A380 customers have done. The A380 is the only option to increase the number of seats at LHR unless Boeing will come up with a similarly sized aircraft, which I think is very unlikely. But like the others have said, I don't see BA ordering the A380 anytime soon. Time will tell....