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United Returns First B767-300ER  
User currently offlineUdo From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 8334 times:

I just found something interesting. Airways News reports UA has stored and returned to the lessor a B767-300ER, N645UA, at the end of March. That would be the first B763 to go.

http://www.airwaysnews.com/fleet/NAFU.htm

Any idea on how many B763 are planned to leave?



Regards
Udo

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User currently offlineLaxintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 25392 posts, RR: 49
Reply 1, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 8172 times:

A little old news. It was mentioned a few weeks back also in a post.

At the moment this is UA's only 763 lease rejection. The carrier is left with 14 two class domestic B763s and 22 three class international B763s.



From the desert to the sea, to all of Southern California
User currently offlineDLKAPA From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 8155 times:

Was the plane a mx nightmare? Can't imagine returning planes that aren't themselves more than 10 years old.

User currently offlineMauriceB From Netherlands, joined Aug 2004, 2490 posts, RR: 25
Reply 3, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 8101 times:

Was the plane a mx nightmare? Can't imagine returning planes that aren't themselves more than 10 years old.


i thought it had something to do with a bad lease agreement... UAL didn't agreed with the leasing company theire offers, if im right it goes about 2 767's???


User currently offlineAA737-823 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 5822 posts, RR: 11
Reply 4, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 7849 times:

As I remember, United didn't reject the plane- the bankruptcy judge did.

User currently offlineDLKAPA From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 7827 times:

Quoting AA737-823 (Reply 4):
As I remember, United didn't reject the plane- the bankruptcy judge did.

Extra metal then I'd assume. Maybe they should reject the CEO?


User currently offlineKahala777 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 7483 times:

Quoting DLKAPA (Reply 5):
Maybe they should reject the CEO?

-Along with his suite at the Four Seasons in Chicago and the apartment in San Francisco.

Had the pleasure of talking to a few JFK based FA's for UAL and they had some not so great things to say. One stated that JFK was and never will be an important part of the UAL network, hinting at the fact that UAL may be dropping LHR and NRT from JFK. Another stated that a lot of Flight Attendants aren't even having their uniforms cleaned, as they are stating "Since they took our pensions, we dont really give a crap". Another one stated something to the fact that a strike would be more than overdue if it does happen... Very interesting! In addition they also brought up the fact that UAL added a second GRU-IAD flight, and SFO is still lacking any service to South America.

Regards - Kahala777


User currently offlineLeelaw From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 7433 times:

Quoting Kahala777 (Reply 6):
Extra metal then I'd assume

Most likely it's in a domestic configuration and needs a "D" Check.


User currently offlineJacobin777 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 14968 posts, RR: 59
Reply 8, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 7388 times:

Quoting Kahala777 (Reply 6):
Another stated that a lot of Flight Attendants aren't even having their uniforms cleaned, as they are stating "Since they took our pensions, we dont really give a crap".

thats just plain disrespectful to passengers.......

Quoting Kahala777 (Reply 6):
One stated that JFK was and never will be an important part of the UAL network, hinting at the fact that UAL may be dropping LHR and NRT from JFK

not sure if thats a bright idea, but maybe they can sell those landing slots to AA...heck, UA certainly does need the money  yes 



"Up the Irons!"
User currently offlineUnited Airline From Hong Kong, joined Jan 2001, 9169 posts, RR: 15
Reply 9, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 7341 times:

JFK is important to UA too, though not as important as LAX, SFO, ORD, DEN etc.

No I don't think they will drop NRT-JFK

Will they ever restart HKG-JFK? Maybe with a B 777-200ER this time? Also LAX-HKG-DEL


User currently offlineLaxintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 25392 posts, RR: 49
Reply 10, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 7205 times:

Quoting Leelaw (Reply 7):
Most likely it's in a domestic configuration

Nope. N645UA was a 3 class international configuration.



From the desert to the sea, to all of Southern California
User currently offlineKahala777 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 7166 times:

Quoting United Airline (Reply 9):
Will they ever restart HKG-JFK?

It will not happen per a few people at UAL. Rumor has it that UAL planned to yank the service right after it started! Cathay Pacific and United have never faired well in the same markets. Now that Cathay is 2x daily to JFK, dont look for a return to Hong Kong

Quoting United Airline (Reply 9):
LAX-HKG-DEL

It will not happen. United again, is not looking to fight anything with Cathay Pacific. United is strong at SFO, because of its clientele base. San Francisco is the only US gateway that CX/UA/SQ opt Hong Kong nonstop together. In addition United would plan on resuming 2 x daily Hong Kong from SFO before they would opt to fight Cathay at LAX again. Delhi, if it ever does happen again. In most cases would be nonstop from ORD, as originally planned in 2001.

Regards - Kahala777


User currently offlineAtmx2000 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 4576 posts, RR: 37
Reply 12, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 7151 times:

Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 8):
not sure if thats a bright idea, but maybe they can sell those landing slots to AA...heck, UA certainly does need the money

The slots at LHR aren't transferable, I thought. Anyway they would only be getting rid of the JFK based routes, not the landing slots. They should still be able to fly from elsewhere in their network to either LHR or NRT.



ConcordeBoy is a twin supremacist!! He supports quadicide!!
User currently offlineKahala777 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 7116 times:

Quoting Atmx2000 (Reply 12):
They should still be able to fly from elsewhere in their network to either LHR or NRT

Such As?


LHR
At Current JFK-LHR operates 2 x daily with Boeing 777 equipment

Chicago - It would create over capacity
Denver - Not going to Happen
Los Angeles - It would create over capacity
San Francisco - It would create over capacity
Washington - It would create over capacity

NRT
At current UA operates to Narita 1 x daily with Boeing 777 equipment

Chicago - It would create over capacity
Denver - Not going to Happen
Honolulu - Not going to Happen
Los Angeles - It would create over capacity
San Francisco - It would create over capacity
Seattle - Not going to Happen
Washington - It would create over capacity

Quoting Atmx2000 (Reply 12):
The slots at LHR aren't transferable

Cant United Airlines auction off the landing rights at LHR and NRT?


Regards - Kahala777


User currently offlineMauriceB From Netherlands, joined Aug 2004, 2490 posts, RR: 25
Reply 14, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 6959 times:

maybe they'll switch one of the JFK-LHR 777 flights to AMS, because i know that , since today, they will fly with the 777 again from chigago....

User currently offlineLaxintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 25392 posts, RR: 49
Reply 15, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 6945 times:

Quoting Atmx2000 (Reply 12):
The slots at LHR aren't transferable

The route right is not transferable, however the slots are very much transferable. United successfully auctioned off slots at LHR a couple years back when it dropped BOS, EWR and inter European flying to AMS and BRU.

However I doubt you'll see UA dropping either JFK-NRT/LHR. Both are holding their own at the moment. (There was a lengthy thread going a little while back about the JFK-NRT route)



From the desert to the sea, to all of Southern California
User currently offlineIADBGO From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 206 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 5972 times:

Why would UA drop the NRT and LHR routes? Aren't these big money makers for UA? I wouldn't think cutting money making routes is the best way to help at UA.

IADBGO


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