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Boeing's Plans To Set Up Plant In India.  
User currently offlineJoyA380B747 From India, joined Mar 2005, 485 posts, RR: 1
Posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 5607 times:

I heard over the news as well in the newspaper that Boeing has future plans to set up a manufacturing plant in India. If it is true then How far has the story been going.
Also Last day...on NDTV India I saw the news bulletins, where it was mentioned that Boeing is planning to invest millions in India for Training Related coursses or something like that....I dont remember. Can you say anything about all these happenings. scratchchin 
Regs
JOY


If it wasn't for AI and those money mongers sitting in the parliament, 9W would have been as big as SQ...:(
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User currently offlineDLKAPA From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 5600 times:

How close is India to Boeings Customers? There are a few down in those parts I guess, Air India for example, but I can't off the top of my head think of any other big Boeing customers down there.

User currently offlineDanny From Poland, joined Apr 2002, 3506 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 5569 times:

So that is how they bough the last order. Soon India will realise that these were empty promises.

User currently offlineSammyk From United States of America, joined Oct 1999, 1689 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 5494 times:
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Quoting Danny (Reply 2):
So that is how they bough the last order. Soon India will realise that these were empty promises.

Proof?


User currently offlineDLKAPA From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 5488 times:

Quoting Danny (Reply 2):
So that is how they bough the last order. Soon India will realise that these were empty promises.

What?


User currently offlineAseem From India, joined Feb 2005, 2046 posts, RR: 10
Reply 5, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 5453 times:

can anybody confirm the source before we go about discussing this issue any further.
rgds
VT-ASJ



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User currently offlinePlaneSmart From New Zealand, joined Dec 2004, 870 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 5426 times:

Both A & B have been considering where A32 / 737 replacements will be assembled, with the possibility both will operate 2 lines (total 4).

If there is a model merger / strategic alliance, then the second line could be in Brazil and Canada, or in fact it could be the primary line.

Other options are Japan (the Japanese are exerting pressure by publicising they are going to do their own thing), China, Russia, India, Israel and South Africa.

I'm not sure B is ready to let future 737 production go completely offshore, so my money would be on the USA and Japan, or if they do have the balls, Japan & China.

Airbus is less clear. If B turn down Japan, then A will be in there quick smart. The other site will depend on incentives / order prospects.

A & B, as well as many of their suppliers, already have strategic alliances / equity investments in Indian software houses.


User currently offlineDanny From Poland, joined Apr 2002, 3506 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 5359 times:

Quoting DLKAPA (Reply 4):
Quoting Danny (Reply 2):
So that is how they bough the last order. Soon India will realise that these were empty promises.

What?

That's old tactics. Buy F-16 and we'll build you.... buy Boeings and we'll build you.... I saw that used with poland enough times - these promises were never kept.


User currently offlineTRVYYZ From Canada, joined Oct 2004, 1369 posts, RR: 10
Reply 8, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 5310 times:

Quoting Danny (Reply 2):
Soon India will realise that these were empty promises

Who is giving these "empty promises" is yet to be seen.  

[Edited 2005-05-05 05:45:41]

User currently offlineAtmx2000 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 4576 posts, RR: 38
Reply 9, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 5280 times:

Quoting PlaneSmart (Reply 6):
Other options are Japan (the Japanese are exerting pressure by publicising they are going to do their own thing), China, Russia, India, Israel and South Africa.

I'm not sure B is ready to let future 737 production go completely offshore, so my money would be on the USA and Japan, or if they do have the balls, Japan & China.

Why the hell would anybody build a narrowbody assembly plant in Japan? Japan isn't exactly a big customer for narrowbodies, and will likely never be a major one. All Japanese airlines combined have ordered less narrowbodies than most major US airlines. Boeing ought to follow Toyota's strategy and build assembly plants where its markets are. It's seriously doubtful that any narrowbody will be successful without penetrating the US and European market, and it's unlikely that an upstart Japanese aircraft manufacturer will be able to win a significant slice of the sales of 100-200 pax narrowbody in either of those markets in the next decade when going up against the incumbents.



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User currently offlineNAV20 From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 9909 posts, RR: 36
Reply 10, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 5253 times:

Part of the way Boeing is working its way out of trouble is by taking more notice of Asian markets. And if they go on raking in orders they are going to need more productive capacity.

I'd have thought India made better sense as a base to 'out-source' to than most of the countries mentioned above. Highly-educated workforce, politically stable, English as one of the official languages, rapidly becoming a world leader in software development, centrally located......



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User currently offlineShawnnyc From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 241 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 5231 times:

Quoting PlaneSmart (Reply 6):
I'm not sure B is ready to let future 737 production go completely offshore, so my money would be on the USA and Japan, or if they do have the balls, Japan & China.

Japan would seem like an expensive option for outsourcing. As far as China, no way unless it is a soon to be outdated model. Airbus and Boeing both know whatever is sent to China to build, China will replicate. There is no protection there. I actually don't think Boeing will outsource a commercial line to India. I think Boeing will send over a F-18 line for assembly in India. Getting India to buy US fighters is the hard sell (India has never trusted that the US will provide spares, etc).


User currently offlineAtmx2000 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 4576 posts, RR: 38
Reply 12, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 5223 times:

Quoting NAV20 (Reply 10):
I'd have thought India made better sense as a base to 'out-source' to than most of the countries mentioned above. Highly-educated workforce, politically stable, English as one of the official languages, rapidly becoming a world leader in software development, centrally located......

Having a workforce that speaks (and reads) English could simplify Boeing's preparation of training programs and manuals for assembly workers. I don't know if India being on the other side of the planet from the US helps or hurts though. Delivery of assembled aircraft to points on the other side of world could be faster once parts arrive, but parts might take longer to arrive.



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User currently offlineMrniji From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 5221 times:

Quoting DLKAPA (Reply 1):
but I can't off the top of my head think of any other big Boeing customers down there.

Oh yes there are: Jet Airways (9W), the 'emerging giant' - Air Sahara (S2), also a potential wide-body costomer.. both gave an all-Boeing JET fleet, which are quite big - Spice Jet, a new LCC, inter aloa

B and A have forcasted sth over 200 aeroplanes tb bought by India till 2020 or so


User currently offlineAtmx2000 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 4576 posts, RR: 38
Reply 14, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 5205 times:

Quoting Shawnnyc (Reply 11):
Japan would seem like an expensive option for outsourcing.

If the next generation narrowbodies are constructed by snapping together large sections that are virtually complete, the amount of labor involved won't be signficant.



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User currently offlineGrantcv From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 429 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 5178 times:

Boeing may well have promised to set up a manufacturing plant in India. I believe that it is quite common for Boeing to make various promises for creating local jobs when getting orders from foreign countries. But extrapolating a promise to set up a manufacturing plant in India to mean that jetliner assembly might take place in India is taking things way too far. AI's order for 777/787 wasn't nearly big enough to get such a prize. And the political fallout in the US from such a decision would be enormous. It is more likely that Boeing promised to manufacture something much less significant in India. Boeing is a very large company and they manufacture a great many things.

User currently offlineMrniji From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 5156 times:

Quoting Atmx2000 (Reply 12):
Having a workforce that speaks (and reads) English could simplify Boeing's preparation of training programs and manuals for assembly workers. I don't know if India being on the other side of the planet from the US helps or hurts though. Delivery of assembled aircraft to points on the other side of world could be faster once parts arrive, but parts might take longer to arrive.

Maybe Boeing should order an A380F to ferry all that stuff  bigthumbsup 


User currently offlineAtmx2000 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 4576 posts, RR: 38
Reply 17, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 5148 times:

Quoting Grantcv (Reply 15):
It is more likely that Boeing promised to manufacture something much less significant in India. Boeing is a very large company and they manufacture a great many things.

When Airbus got the original contract for A343s, they were going to outsource A340 and possibly A380 parts to HAL for manufacturing. Assuming the Boeing deal actually goes through, what happens to that deal? Is Airbus applying pressure through HAL on the airlines and politicians?



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User currently offlineAlessandro From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 5065 times:

Assembly plant or sub-contractor for parts to Boeings? I personally think there´s another reason as well, land in India is less expensive in let say the
surroundings of Bangalore than anywhere in Japan.


User currently offlineAtmx2000 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 4576 posts, RR: 38
Reply 19, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 5058 times:

Quoting Alessandro (Reply 18):
I personally think there´s another reason as well, land in India is less expensive in let say the
surroundings of Bangalore than anywhere in Japan.

Plus you don't have to pay high insurance premiums due to having to deal with Godzilla and friends. Big grin



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User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31660 posts, RR: 56
Reply 20, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 5013 times:

Quoting JoyA380B747 (Thread starter):
where it was mentioned that Boeing is planning to invest millions in India for Training Related coursses

Training centers for Pilots & AMEs is a possibility.
About the Manufacturing plant,Depending on Manufacturing what,small rotables yes,Aircrafts No.
regds
MEL



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User currently offlineJet-lagged From United States of America, joined Mar 2002, 871 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 4985 times:

Interesting.

It may not be manufacturing per se. It could be systems programming, engineering. Or maybe some MRO facilities (isn't Boeing in theis business in some form too?)

And of course Boeing will do that to take advantage of lower cost structures there, plus build local knowledge and relationships to help them with future sales. Look how well the latter has served them in Japan.


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