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Airbus Warns Of Delay For Super-jumbo  
User currently offlineBlasphemystic From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 213 posts, RR: 0
Posted (9 years 3 months 3 weeks ago) and read 9565 times:

http://edition.cnn.com/2005/TRAVEL/0...t.superjumbo.delay.reut/index.html

"We have been notified by Airbus of a delay and are working with them to minimize it," a Singapore spokesman told Reuters. "We are still working toward an entry into commercial service in the second half of 2006."

Whats the delay?


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User currently offlineDLKAPA From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (9 years 3 months 3 weeks ago) and read 9549 times:

Quoting Blasphemystic (Thread starter):
Whats the delay?

Some sort of Certification issue probably.


User currently offlineNAV20 From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 9909 posts, RR: 36
Reply 2, posted (9 years 3 months 3 weeks ago) and read 9511 times:

It was always on the cards after the delay in getting it into the air. The test programme is reckoned to require 15 months - and presumably it wouldn't be wise to go ahead full blast with production until they have more feedback form the tests, anyway.


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User currently offlineRuscoe From Australia, joined exactly 15 years ago today! , 1557 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (9 years 3 months 3 weeks ago) and read 9502 times:

Some of the things I have heard are;

1 Software Problems relating to on board diagnostics, and legal problems with flight software

2. The focus on weight saving has resulted in an aircraft which will be more expensive to maintain ? What that means.

3. Problems with internal furnishings

4. Possible problems with undercarriage

5. Problems with the durability of the rear of craft

and lots of other things we hear which may have no basis infact (as far as we know)

That is the problem.

By not communicating better with the public it is a natural phenomenon that people start to draw their own conclusions.

Ruscoe


User currently offlineBlasphemystic From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 213 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (9 years 3 months 3 weeks ago) and read 9451 times:

Quoting Ruscoe (Reply 3):
Some of the things I have heard are;

1 Software Problems relating to on board diagnostics, and legal problems with flight software



Quoting Ruscoe (Reply 3):
4. Possible problems with undercarriage
5. Problems with the durability of the rear of craft

I would think these are some serious issues.

Will this have any effect on Emirates? A380's biggest customer.



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User currently offlineDLKAPA From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (9 years 3 months 3 weeks ago) and read 9435 times:

Will the A380's gear be equivalent to that of MD-11 then?

User currently offlineRuscoe From Australia, joined exactly 15 years ago today! , 1557 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (9 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 9354 times:

I'm sure all these things can be fixed, (if indeed they are real and the cause of the delay), but will cost money, and time.

I would really like to know what is going on with the 380, to satisfy my curiosity. Everyone expects a clean sheet new aircraft like the 380 to have problems, but the deafening silence from Airbus does not help their cause at all.

As far as Emirates goes, both they and Airbus now have such a dependance on each other, that I'm sure Airbus will do whatever it takes to keep Emirates happy and Emirates will give Airbus some leeway also.
Intersting thing is that if Emirates goes with the 350, then they will further expose themselves to Airbus, and Airbus will become even more dependant on a single airline.

Ruscoe


User currently offlineLeelaw From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (9 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 9344 times:

WSJ 05/04/05:

"The first airlines scheduled to fly the Airbus A380 super-jumbo jetliner say they expect to start using the planes later in next year than previously planned because of delays in delivery from the manufacturer.

...Amid celebrations of the successful flight, Airbus said the plane will enter service "in the second half of 2006." Airbus had previously targeted the start of service for the first half of next year.

...An Airbus spokesman declined to comment on reasons for the delay. But engineers on the aircraft, in which Airbus and its partners are investing more than $12 billion, or €9.3 million, have recently said that technical complexities of the giant project and efforts to hold its weight down have taken longer than originally planned, but aren't a sign of fundamental problems.

A spokesman for Singapore Airlines, which will be the first carrier to operate the world's largest passenger jet, said: "Airbus has advised us of a delay on the first delivery of aircraft and details are being worked through by ourselves and Airbus." He added that Singapore Airlines is "looking to minimize the impact of any delay in our ongoing discussions with Airbus."

Emirates of Dubai is slated to be the second airline to get the A380, in October 2006. When Emirates President Tim Clark was recently asked if he expected to receive the plane on time, he replied that delays are common with new aircraft models, according to an Emirates spokesman.

Airbus said in a statement that the A380's extensive testing over the next year should "prepare for a smooth entry into service..."


User currently offlineNAV20 From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 9909 posts, RR: 36
Reply 8, posted (9 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 9321 times:

That's just straight common sense, Ruscoe, I agree with you entirely.

But from my own experience after posting questions like that on here, I'd suggest that you take time off to run up to 'Aussie Disposals' and buy yourself a flak-jacket before the Airbus fans in Europe wake up.  Smile



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User currently offlineLeelaw From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (9 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 9251 times:

Quoting Ruscoe (Reply 6):
ntersting thing is that if Emirates goes with the 350, then they will further expose themselves to Airbus, and Airbus will become even more dependant on a single airline.

Here's some useful "psycho-babble" which may apply: co-dependant relationships can be very destructive for the parties involved; nevertheless, they're often difficult to recognize and terminate.

[Edited 2005-05-05 06:11:35]

User currently offlineDhefty From United States of America, joined May 2005, 599 posts, RR: 3
Reply 10, posted (9 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 9185 times:

Quoting Blasphemystic (Thread starter):
Whats the delay?

I suggest that this topic's name be amended to the following:

"Airbus Warns Of Delay For Super-jumbo Profits"


User currently offlineMariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 25077 posts, RR: 85
Reply 11, posted (9 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 9153 times:
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Quoting Dhefty (Reply 10):
I suggest that this topic's name be amended to the following:

"Airbus Warns Of Delay For Super-jumbo Profits"

But you maintain there aren't going to be any profits, so how can they be delayed?

 Smile

cheers

mariner



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User currently offlineDhefty From United States of America, joined May 2005, 599 posts, RR: 3
Reply 12, posted (9 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 9027 times:

Quoting Mariner (Reply 11):
But you maintain there aren't going to be any profits, so how can they be delayed?

No, there won't be any profits, but they may be able to fool the bond-rating agencies for a while, at least until management can all jump ship.

I heard Wellington is a nice place to live. Do they accept industrial con men?


User currently offlineMariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 25077 posts, RR: 85
Reply 13, posted (9 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 9004 times:
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Quoting Dhefty (Reply 12):
No, there won't be any profits,

So - once again - how can they be delayed?

Quoting Dhefty (Reply 12):
I heard Wellington is a nice place to live. Do they accept industrial con men?

You obviously know more about Wellington than I. I haven't been there since 1972.

cheers

mariner



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User currently offlineNAV20 From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 9909 posts, RR: 36
Reply 14, posted (9 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 9000 times:

Quoting Dhefty (Reply 12):
they may be able to fool the bond-rating agencies for a while, at least until management can all jump ship.

Fougeard is already on his way - moving upstairs to head up EADS.

There's a delay in appointing his successor - supposedly because the French want a Frenchman and the Germans want a German.

But maybe that isn't the real reason. Perhaps they're reduced to asking for volunteers  Smile



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User currently offlineBlasphemystic From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 213 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (9 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 8969 times:

Quoting Ruscoe (Reply 6):
I would really like to know what is going on with the 380, to satisfy my curiosity. Everyone expects a clean sheet new aircraft like the 380 to have problems, but the deafening silence from Airbus does not help their cause at all.

Glitches and problems are always expected...which is true.

Why would Airlines like EK commit to such huge orders until all is sorted out? The A380 looked great making its first flight but until it makes it's first profit these kind of stories will be a common thing.



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User currently offlineDhefty From United States of America, joined May 2005, 599 posts, RR: 3
Reply 16, posted (9 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 8941 times:

Quoting NAV20 (Reply 14):
But maybe that isn't the real reason. Perhaps they're reduced to asking for volunteers

Now that is funny!

And with the financial train wreck on the way, it just might be accurate.


User currently offlineBlasphemystic From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 213 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (9 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 8740 times:

Quoting Dhefty (Reply 16):
And with the financial train wreck on the way, it just might be accurate

That would be very sad.



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User currently offlineNZ1 From New Zealand, joined May 2004, 2253 posts, RR: 25
Reply 18, posted (9 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 8686 times:
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I had heard a rumour from a guy in Toulouse that the wing break test had failed at 130% loading instead of a target of 150%. He said that they were considering a semi-redesign of parts of the wing to strengthen it. Not sure how true this is, but thought I'd throw it into the ring anyway.

NZ1


User currently offlineBlasphemystic From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 213 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (9 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 8623 times:

Quoting NZ1 (Reply 18):
I had heard a rumour from a guy in Toulouse that the wing break test had failed at 130% loading instead of a target of 150%. He said that they were considering a semi-redesign of parts of the wing to strengthen it. Not sure how true this is, but thought I'd throw it into the ring anyway.

 worried 



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User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12091 posts, RR: 18
Reply 20, posted (9 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 8621 times:
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Quoting Dhefty (Reply 12):
I heard Wellington is a nice place to live

Yes Wellington is, the harbour on a fine day is a living art work Smile

Could this delay force other airlines to postpone deliverys?


User currently offlineZKSUJ From New Zealand, joined May 2004, 7092 posts, RR: 12
Reply 21, posted (9 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 8535 times:

Hmmmm, interesting. Is the aircraft still over weight?

User currently offlineGlom From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2005, 2815 posts, RR: 10
Reply 22, posted (9 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 8475 times:

Quoting NZ1 (Reply 18):
I had heard a rumour from a guy in Toulouse that the wing break test had failed at 130% loading instead of a target of 150%. He said that they were considering a semi-redesign of parts of the wing to strengthen it. Not sure how true this is, but thought I'd throw it into the ring anyway.

I heard something similar albeit not from such a high up source. It was at the flying club and they were saying they had to strengthen the wing box because it wasn't strong enough.


User currently offlineToulouse From Switzerland, joined Apr 2005, 2758 posts, RR: 58
Reply 23, posted (9 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 8410 times:

Quoting Ruscoe (Reply 6):
By not communicating better with the public it is a natural phenomenon that people start to draw their own conclusions.

Interesting quotes Ruscoe. Yet I tend to think it is normal Airbus doon't communicate with the public. If you were creating a new business products and ran into problems during the development stage, would you go running to tell your potential clients and the general public about the problems. Don't think it would be a good idea to do so.

Quoting Blasphemystic (Reply 17):
That would be very sad.

Indeed it would be.



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User currently offlineNAV20 From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 9909 posts, RR: 36
Reply 24, posted (9 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 8356 times:

Quoting Toulouse (Reply 23):
would you go running to tell your potential clients and the general public about the problems.

Oddly enough, Toulouse, yes, you would in a way.

Not 'go running', of course - you'd decide on the solution as well, and tell the clients (and the public) about both problem and solution at the same time.

There's no alternative. If you just try to sit on it, it's bound to leak out - which is the most damaging thing of all, after that it's right out of your control.



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25 Toulouse : Good point NAV20, and I must admit a better angle then I took it from.
26 Post contains images NAV20 : Mind you, Toulouse, I think you're right about the Airbus people not being 'natural communicators' by any means Blasphemistic, Glom, were these rumour
27 Post contains links Pihero : Alas! the answer to your questions is quite disappointing. It is partly because your main source of info -CNN - was either too busy with other subject
28 Blasphemystic : I dont think its a rumour. Atleast according to CNN.
29 Blasphemystic : Is someone dancing on your nerve PIHERO?
30 NAV20 : Soory, Blasphemystic - meant the rumour of wing trouble, that isn't on CNN! Of course, it was NZ1 who mentioned that first.
31 United737522 : With such a wide range of people on this board, I am surprised that no one knows what the problem is yet!
32 Post contains images Leelaw : Somehow I missed that news flash. Resurrection stories will always trump stories about delivery delays.
33 Post contains images Litz : I'm sure Emirates, like any other customer, is going to wait 'til the plane is ready to go .... First of all, Airbus isn't going to release it until
34 MrComet : In the absence of news we get speculation. Speculation is just an outlet for prejudice. However, we are not buying airplanes so Airbus isn't going to
35 Post contains images Blasphemystic : True I would like to see how fast it will pop of the ground in an EK/Singapore logo instead of the Airbus/A380 one
36 Glom : No idea. This evidence is anecdotal after all.
37 C133 : Not to digress, but what does this refer to? Thanks.
38 Post contains images Blasphemystic : Maybe referring to this
39 Post contains links NAV20 : That's more or less how I thought at first, MrComet (see Reply 2) - that the delayed first flight had pushed the testing programme/delivery dates for
40 Ruscoe : Other problem for Singapore with a late delivery is that they lose a lot of marketing advantage time to Qantas. Ruscoe
41 NAV20 : Not to mention that any delays will inevitably lead to yet further downward adjustments of the already rock-bottom launch prices. Which is presumably
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