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AA Attacks UA/TWA @ LAX  
User currently offlineTravelin man From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 3480 posts, RR: 0
Posted (14 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 2122 times:

In the ongoing battle with United (and desire to have United Shuttle-type coverage), AA has announced new non-stop service to:
Denver (3 flts/day) (UA is probably pissed)
Oakland (4 flts/day)
Phoenix (5 flts/day)

In addition, it will increase service to Las Vegas (8 flts), San Jose (10 flts), and San Francisco (9 flts). This will throw it into direct competition with United Shuttle (and Southwest).

I think TWA will be even more annoyed with AA establishing 2 new non-stops to St. Louis.

In any case, I hope all these new routes from LAX mean lower fares!


52 replies: All unread, showing first 25:
 
User currently offlineHypermike From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 1001 posts, RR: 5
Reply 1, posted (14 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 1552 times:

It's called competition. With fuel prices still sky high, airlines are going to start competing in the service arena. This will be very interesting.

User currently offlineHypermike From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 1001 posts, RR: 5
Reply 2, posted (14 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 1545 times:

It's called competition. With fuel prices still sky high, airlines are going to start competing in the service arena. This will be very interesting.

User currently offlineFLY777UAL From United States of America, joined May 1999, 4512 posts, RR: 3
Reply 3, posted (14 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 1535 times:

That's pretty bold of AA.

Well, good luck...they sure as hell will need it!

FLY777UAL


User currently offlineHypermike From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 1001 posts, RR: 5
Reply 4, posted (14 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 1502 times:

You know, it's nice to see the big guys going head to head for once. It seems like it's usually David vs. Goliath.

User currently offlineFLY777UAL From United States of America, joined May 1999, 4512 posts, RR: 3
Reply 5, posted (14 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 1503 times:

I agree. This time, too, no airline can cry "foul play"...

FLY777UAL


User currently offlineWiti747SJU From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (14 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 1507 times:

what does means "non-stop"




User currently offlineRaddog2 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (14 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 1494 times:

Don't forget the 4 new nonstops to Denver and 3 new nonstops to Phoenix from San Jose. Hub Warfare! It will be interesting to watch this story...AA's last foray from SJC nonstop to United's IAD hub didn't work too well.

User currently offlinePilot1113 From United States of America, joined Aug 1999, 2333 posts, RR: 11
Reply 8, posted (14 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 1488 times:

I see that you're from PR... so I'll see if I can translate it.

non-stop = directo o con no layover al aeropuerto.

For example:

Si diseas ir a Indianapolis de Boston con American Airlines tu tienes que para en Miami y subes otros aeroplano a Indianapolis.

Al menos, en un directo vuelo es no layover. Vas directo a un destinación.

Espero que mi traducción sea tan bueno que mi español sea pobre.

Tenía un poco ayuda de Babel Fish de Altavista !  

- Neil Harrison


User currently offlineUnitedchicago From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 103 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (14 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 1473 times:

United owns California.

User currently offlineYaki1 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (14 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 1475 times:

An A+ for effort but the term is - sin escalas -

User currently offlineLBSteve From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (14 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 1464 times:

As to United ‘owning’ California… I’m a native California resident and can attest to Uniteds poor service in the area. It is precisely Uniteds lack of competition on CA routes, particularly in San Francisco (where choice is limited) that United has run up legions of dissatisfied customers (I’m one of them!). AA will get my business before United.

User currently offlineThe777Man From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 6500 posts, RR: 55
Reply 12, posted (14 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 1448 times:

I was surprised that AA will not fly LAX-SEA or LAX-PDX. Otherwise this makes a lot of sense for them. They really had no need for a hub in RNO (sorry, RNO-folks). The777man


Need a Boeing 777 Firing Order....Further to fly....CI, MU, LX and LH 777s
User currently offlineLBSteve From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (14 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 1447 times:

AA code shares the LAX-SEA and LAX-PDX routes with Alaska Airlines.

User currently offlineWiti747SJU From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (14 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 1441 times:

Thanks...
I understand now.
a non-stop(sin parar)..
OK..


User currently offlineUnited777ORD From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 262 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (14 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 1420 times:

American is going to hurt itself. They are a day late and a dollar short. United dominates the West Coast market. It is too bad that American Airlines seats are going to be empty at least 50% of the time on these flights!!!!!!!!!!!!
GET A CLUE AMERICAN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


User currently offlineRominato From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 268 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (14 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 1430 times:



The777Man wrote:
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I was surprised that AA will not fly LAX-SEA or LAX-PDX. Otherwise this makes a lot of sense for them. They really had no need for a hub in RNO (sorry, RNO-folks). The777man

PDX would love to have the increased competition I'm sure. I think thaat everyone here is looking for a major to have a "presence" in PDX. I believe Alaska is the biggest airline here, and United has a number of daily flights, but everyone else seems kind of sporadic. There's a little joke with my flight instructors about why we never do approaches at PDX around noon because that's the Delta rush. Seemingly all there flights go in and out at that time. If American were to make LAX a hub and increase daily service to Portland, I'm quite sure the people of Portland would appreciate it.


User currently offlineAC183 From Canada, joined Jul 1999, 1532 posts, RR: 2
Reply 17, posted (14 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 1420 times:

Could AA be trying to steal half of UA's LAX hub the way they did at ORD?

User currently offlineTrnsWrld From United States of America, joined May 1999, 924 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (14 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 1420 times:

Now if I heard the original person right that AA is starting some non-stops to STL from LAX then my question is, what type of aircraft will AA be using on these flights? if they are using MD-80's then that may be a problem because TWA uses there brand new 757's and 767's on these flights. Now obviously people may like AA better than TWA, or TWA better than AA, but if you ask me, if AA uses something smaller on these routes like an MD-80 I sure hell would rather fly on a TWA 757 or 767 with in-flight entertainment and because they are larger to begin with.
Thanks for any input,
James


User currently offlineRominato From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 268 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (14 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 1420 times:


TrnsWrld wrote:
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if AA uses something smaller on these routes like an MD-80 I sure hell would rather fly on a TWA 757 or 767 with in-flight entertainment and because they are larger to begin with.

I seriously doubt that the average consumer goes so far as to find out what kind of plane they'd be flying, so it probably won't make much difference... My guess would be that if the customer is from St. Louis, they'll probably fly TWA. From anywhere else, it could be either...


User currently offlineTrnsWrld From United States of America, joined May 1999, 924 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (14 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 1422 times:

Yeah great point you made Rominato. I really didnt think about that, I guess I was thinking more like us that really care what we would be flying on. Another point is that I guess it would also come down to who has the better fair. And im also sure TWA has more flights to LAX anyway.

User currently offlinePilot1113 From United States of America, joined Aug 1999, 2333 posts, RR: 11
Reply 21, posted (14 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 1401 times:

Thanks!  

I've got family down in PR and I know fluently Spanish is spoken down there. I'm sad to say that I've only taken the 4 required years of Spanish in high school.

- Neil Harrison


User currently offlineFlyAA757 From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 1008 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (14 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 1391 times:

While the scheds aren't in the computer yet, I'm betting on the following.

The intra-Cal flights, as well as PHX will be ex-QQ MD80s.

The DEN flights will be mainline MD80s and the STL will be a mix of M80/738.


User currently offlineBarnaby From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (14 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 1388 times:

So when the hell are the ex-QQ a/c going to get out of the "toothpaste" livery and into bare metal AA colors if ever?

I know they want to dump the M87/M90, but why not put the M82/83's into bare metal?


User currently offlineTravelin man From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 3480 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (14 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 1387 times:

I also wish they would upgrade the ex-QQ planes' first class cabins to the standards of their regular mainline MD-80 first class cabins. Last time I was in it (LAX-SFO), the seats weren't that great. Maybe they've upgraded the cabins in the past 3 months...

In any case, it is interesting to see huge airlines attack each other's hubs. UAL started flying LAX-DFW and LAX-ATL, so maybe AA's response is to start flying to Denver... I wonder if Delta will do the same????

Of course, I hope LAX doesn't become like ORD, where 2 big airlines control most of the traffic (and the fares). I doubt that will happen though...


25 CannedSpam : Close....except for your thoughts on DEN and STL. Guess you will see on Sunday won't you?
26 Flyf15 : Let me get this straight, American is going to fly LAX-DEN and SJC-DEN? What aircraft will be on the flights?
27 Happy777 : i can understand DEN and San Jose, and the other cities but St.Louis? the only reason i can think of that is just to piss off TWA. but lets see how tw
28 AACrew Chief : The STL-LAX use to be in the route system several yrs ago and now it time to start it up again...Also look for more changes and more flt for LAX soon.
29 Travelin man : AAcrewchief, More AA flights from LAX than have already been announced??? Why not: LAX-ATL (to get under Delta's skin) LAX-MSP (piss off Northwest) LA
30 AACrew Chief : Yes Travelin man I have heard up to as many as 25 more flt to service old and new market's
31 Hypermike : I hate to say this, folks, but United doesn't own California. The tax payers do. :-) The carrier that does the most intra-California flights, and I ne
32 United777ORD : Where is American going to put all these flights? From what I've seen, the American terminal @ LAX isn't very big. The American Airlines terminal is g
33 Travelin man : Like United, AA uses parts of other terminals for its flights. Terminal 4 (which they recently expanded) is the AA terminal. They also use Terminal 3
34 Barnaby : LAX-STL is revenge for TWA's success in Puerto Rico/Caribbean eroding AA's SJU "hub". LAX-DEN will fall on its face, as would LAX-MSP, LAX-ATL, LAX-DT
35 Ryu2 : I believe that the main point of these flights is not so they can go head-to-head with UA, but rather to provide connections to AA's OneWorld partners
36 Barnaby : >>>I believe that the main point of these flights is not so they can go head-to-head with UA, but rather to provide connections to AA's OneWorld partn
37 Travelin man : Thank you for calling me "travellin dope". You have obviously been on this board much too long, as you have decided to resort to name-calling. My tong
38 Barnaby : Its called a joke Travellin man. Lighten up a bit. >>>You seem to ignore the fact that United did exactly the same thing when establishing non-stop fl
39 LBSteve : I suggest you have a careful look at http://www.untied.com/ if you want a true state of the difficulties that UAL are facing. They are not so impervio
40 Travelin man : >> AA has nowhere near the loyalty/recognition in Cal
41 Post contains images Barnaby : >>>Speaking as a resident of Southern California, an Aadvantage Gold Member, AND a United Premier Executive member, I can assure you that both airline
42 UA744Flagship : What have you been smokin? UAL has been flying intra-cali since their SFO hub, est. in the early 60s or so. Speaking as a resident of *Northern* Calif
43 FlyAA757 : Ok, so we have LAX-DEN/STL that I am wrong about. The only logical choices are: AA MD80 QQ MD80 QQ MD90 AA 738 AA 757s. First of all, I've heard that
44 Travelin man : I don't argue that UAL is dominant in CA (although Southwest could have something to say about that). Believe me, many of my miles have been accrued f
45 Barnaby : I don't see how AA is going to get rid of the MD90's. Reno was leasing them and when American bought Reno they simply took over the lease. But for som
46 CannedSpam : The MD-90 will only be flying two markets SNA-SF0 and SNA-SJC effective with the July second. SNA is where the MX base for the MD-90 is located and th
47 LBSteve : Though you may not see as many of AA planes in the intra-Cal network, often overlooked by is the extensive code sharing that AA that does with it̵
48 LBSteve : : ) Silly me : ) Overestimating should be underestimating, also what about the rest of the SoCal network such as Orange County, Ontario, San Diego, Bu
49 UA744Flagship : Travelin Man: Ah, thanks for clarifying some of my misinformation. I thought that UA had been in Cali since the 60s, but I guess only since the 80s? (
50 Ripcordd : I would have to say that AA will put a hurt on United, TWA,America West out of LAX and SNA...AA service is excellent and I just got off one of their p
51 TWA717_200 : Um.....okay.
52 LBSteve : I just hope the increased competition leads to permanent lower prices, fewer restrictions, and improved service for all of California.
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