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Its Time For American To Call Lax A Hub  
User currently offlineDoug From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 847 posts, RR: 0
Posted (14 years 1 week 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 2157 times:

American now has 127 flights @ LAX San Juan has what 43 and Miami has 185.Put the title on LAX and call it American's 4th largest hub.

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User currently offlineDIA77 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 704 posts, RR: 6
Reply 1, posted (14 years 1 week 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 2000 times:

UA and AA are fighting it out in ORD, LAX, and MIA. Things are probably only heating up now.

User currently offlineAAR90 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 3451 posts, RR: 47
Reply 2, posted (14 years 1 week 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 1984 times:

Nope. Little in the way of connections. A major origin/destination station.


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User currently offlineTravelin man From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 3420 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (14 years 1 week 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 1973 times:

When you say "little in the way of connections", you are only referring to AA connections. LAX is a MAJOR connection point for people transferring to Cathay Pacific and Qantas, 2 of American's Oneworld partners. In addition, many people connect to Hawaii. If AA wants to begin to offer routes to Asia, LAX is the ideal location. It seems like Oneworld should designate LAX as a "Oneworld" hub (maybe with ORD, LHR, and HKG). It would help establish an identity.

User currently offlineHypermike From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 1001 posts, RR: 5
Reply 4, posted (14 years 1 week 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 1972 times:

I thought Eagle had a lot of flights at LAX.

User currently offlineSilverbird From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (14 years 1 week 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 1964 times:

Actually, it's a "Connecting Complex" (the new buzz word) and has been labeled so in the timetable for a while now.

User currently offlineAAR90 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 3451 posts, RR: 47
Reply 6, posted (14 years 1 week 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 1951 times:

>When you say "little in the way of connections",
>you are only referring to AA connections.

Yes. AA connections relative to number of total AA flights is small. "Hub" designation entails major administrative cost increases (minimum VP level manager for example).

>LAX is a MAJOR connection point for people
>transferring to Cathay Pacific and Qantas,
>2 of American's Oneworld partners.

Not as many as one would think. Future maybe, but not enough to justify "hub" status.

>In addition, many people connect to Hawaii.

Actually no. Just west coast pax. Rest of country go via ORD and DFW.

>If AA wants to begin to offer routes to Asia, LAX
>is the ideal location.

Passenger base wise I agree. Operationally, no it is a poor location (look at a globe).

>It seems like Oneworld should designate LAX as
>a "Oneworld" hub (maybe with ORD, LHR, and HKG).
>It would help establish an identity.

Now that's a neat idea! You in marketing perhaps? ;-)


"Connecting Complex" (the new buzz word)

Old buzz word. Used to describe a DFW "bank" of flights during my job interview in 1986. DFW runs 8-10 (I never bother to count) connecting complexes per day.




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User currently offlineBarnaby From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (14 years 1 week 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 1941 times:

C'mon...everyone knows United owns both LAX and SFO. AA's departures out of LAX and SJC don't even come close.

LAX is much more O&D than connecting pax as far as AA goes.


User currently offlineUnitedchicago From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 101 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (14 years 1 week 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 1932 times:

You are correct Barnaby. AA does not have United Shuttle, the level of trans con, the pacific flights, the latin america flights, or the european flights out of LAX that United has.

AA Hub? No way!

United also owns Chicago. United's hubs have always been considered the best in the airline industry.


User currently offlineBarnaby From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (14 years 1 week 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 1932 times:

You're half right....UA owns California, but is not that dominant in Chicago.

ORD:
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UA: Daily Jet Departures: 444
Daily Express Departures: 129
Nonstop markets (mainline): 96
Nonstop markets (Express): 34

AA: Daily Jet Departures: 332
Daily AA Eagle Departures: 155
Nonstop markets (mainline): 74
Nonstop markets (eagle): 33

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However this is misleading....AA is still overwhelmingly DFW based with 522 mainline and 254 Eagle departures, 138 nonstop cities served by both Mainline and Eagle and 22 international routes. UA's hub traffic is more evenly distributed among IAD, DEN, ORD, SFO, LAX while AA relies on the core hubs of ORD, MIA, and DFW for most of its traffic.

Please don't call UA's pathetic presence at MIA a hub.

22 Jet departures and no express do not a hub make.
Contrast that with American's 184/79 Mainline/Eagle services and its clear AA kicks booty in both MIA and Florida.

It will be interesting to see how AA and UA fight it out once the slots have been eliminated at ORD in 2002. I think AA has more gates at ORD but I have been unable to verify. Anyone?

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Before anyone kills me, I realize that Eagle is a wholly owned subsidiary of AMR. I listed mainline and Eagle flight separately to gauge a better comparison with United/United Express.


User currently offlineBarnaby From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (14 years 1 week 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 1931 times:

I think LAX should be thought of as a "focus city" particularly as the latest moves to steal UA's thunder may or may not work.

IMHO, awfully gutsy of yAA'll to take on UAL head-on, but I wish 'em best of luck.


User currently offlineEg777er From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2000, 1834 posts, RR: 14
Reply 11, posted (14 years 1 week 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 1922 times:

Is 'connecting complex' the same buzz-word as the 'waves' which KLM operates at Schiphol?? This allows small feeder flights to arrive at all the same time to feed into longrange departures which then all leave at the same time. Otherwise called 'hubbing' in the industry.

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