DIA77 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 700 posts, RR: 7 Reply 1, posted (13 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 1172 times:
UA and AA are fighting it out in ORD, LAX, and MIA. Things are probably only heating up now.
AAR90 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 3410 posts, RR: 50 Reply 2, posted (13 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 1156 times:
Nope. Little in the way of connections. A major origin/destination station.
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Travelin man From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 3313 posts, RR: 0 Reply 3, posted (13 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 1145 times:
When you say "little in the way of connections", you are only referring to AA connections. LAX is a MAJOR connection point for people transferring to Cathay Pacific and Qantas, 2 of American's Oneworld partners. In addition, many people connect to Hawaii. If AA wants to begin to offer routes to Asia, LAX is the ideal location. It seems like Oneworld should designate LAX as a "Oneworld" hub (maybe with ORD, LHR, and HKG). It would help establish an identity.
Hypermike From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 1001 posts, RR: 5 Reply 4, posted (13 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 1144 times:
AAR90 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 3410 posts, RR: 50 Reply 6, posted (13 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 1123 times:
>When you say "little in the way of connections",
>you are only referring to AA connections.
Yes. AA connections relative to number of total AA flights is small. "Hub" designation entails major administrative cost increases (minimum VP level manager for example).
>LAX is a MAJOR connection point for people
>transferring to Cathay Pacific and Qantas,
>2 of American's Oneworld partners.
Not as many as one would think. Future maybe, but not enough to justify "hub" status.
>In addition, many people connect to Hawaii.
Actually no. Just west coast pax. Rest of country go via ORD and DFW.
>If AA wants to begin to offer routes to Asia, LAX
>is the ideal location.
Passenger base wise I agree. Operationally, no it is a poor location (look at a globe).
>It seems like Oneworld should designate LAX as
>a "Oneworld" hub (maybe with ORD, LHR, and HKG).
>It would help establish an identity.
Now that's a neat idea! You in marketing perhaps? ;-)
"Connecting Complex" (the new buzz word)
Old buzz word. Used to describe a DFW "bank" of flights during my job interview in 1986. DFW runs 8-10 (I never bother to count) connecting complexes per day.
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Unitedchicago From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 90 posts, RR: 0 Reply 8, posted (13 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 1104 times:
You are correct Barnaby. AA does not have United Shuttle, the level of trans con, the pacific flights, the latin america flights, or the european flights out of LAX that United has.
AA Hub? No way!
United also owns Chicago. United's hubs have always been considered the best in the airline industry.
However this is misleading....AA is still overwhelmingly DFW based with 522 mainline and 254 Eagle departures, 138 nonstop cities served by both Mainline and Eagle and 22 international routes. UA's hub traffic is more evenly distributed among IAD, DEN, ORD, SFO, LAX while AA relies on the core hubs of ORD, MIA, and DFW for most of its traffic.
Please don't call UA's pathetic presence at MIA a hub.
22 Jet departures and no express do not a hub make.
Contrast that with American's 184/79 Mainline/Eagle services and its clear AA kicks booty in both MIA and Florida.
It will be interesting to see how AA and UA fight it out once the slots have been eliminated at ORD in 2002. I think AA has more gates at ORD but I have been unable to verify. Anyone?
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Before anyone kills me, I realize that Eagle is a wholly owned subsidiary of AMR. I listed mainline and Eagle flight separately to gauge a better comparison with United/United Express.
Eg777er From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2000, 1829 posts, RR: 13 Reply 11, posted (13 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 1094 times:
Is 'connecting complex' the same buzz-word as the 'waves' which KLM operates at Schiphol?? This allows small feeder flights to arrive at all the same time to feed into longrange departures which then all leave at the same time. Otherwise called 'hubbing' in the industry.
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