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SA Wanted To Buy 777's In 1995 (Press Release Incl.)  
User currently offlineAndz From South Africa, joined Feb 2004, 8463 posts, RR: 10
Posted (9 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 8329 times:
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I found this press release on Boeing's website today....
from http://www.boeing.com

South African Airways to Purchase Boeing 777s and 747s

SEATTLE, Nov. 3, 1995 -- South African Airways, the flagship carrier for South Africa, today announced its intention to order four Boeing 777-200 twinjets, and options for three more of the new widebodies, Boeing Commercial Airplane Group confirmed. In addition, the airline announced its intention to order two 747-400 jumbo jetliners.

When confirmed, the orders and options will be valued at approximately $1.3 billion, the largest single order in the airline's 61-year history. The airline will take delivery of its first airplanes in 1997, initially using them on some of its longer routes to Europe and the Middle East. The airline has selected the longer- range version of the 777. Engine selection will be made at a later date.

"South Africa is undergoing a tremendous amount of change with an optimistic view of the future, and we feel the 777 is the right airplane to help us move in that direction." said John Hare, deputy chief executive of South African Airways. "The 777 provides a level of comfort unparalleled in the industry, along with the performance, economics and range that best meet the needs of South African Airways." Referring to the intense competition within the 777 market, Hare added: "It's a decision we didn't take lightly."

"We're extremely pleased that South African Airways has chosen the 777 over its quad- and tri-jet competitors," said Seddik Belyamani, vice president of Boeing International Sales. "This is particularly rewarding because of SAA's requirements for aircraft performance that are among the most stringent in the industry, a clear reflection that the 777 delivers superior value to its customers," he added. "This announcement continues a long relationship with the airline dating back to 1958 when they ordered their first 707, and since that time have taken delivery of 57 Boeing airplanes."

Today, South African Airways operates 29 Boeing jetliners, including 13 737-200 twinjets and 16 747 jumbo jets.


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User currently offlineLeelaw From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (9 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 8286 times:

BTW, what happened to the 738s?

User currently offlineAndz From South Africa, joined Feb 2004, 8463 posts, RR: 10
Reply 2, posted (9 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 8253 times:
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Quoting Leelaw (Reply 1):
BTW, what happened to the 738s?

738s are in use on the domestic and regional routes, will be phased out in 2010.



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User currently offlineLeelaw From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (9 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 8200 times:

Quoting Andz (Thread starter):
Today, South African Airways operates 29 Boeing jetliners, including 13 737-200 twinjets and 16 747 jumbo jets.

Then SA is currently operating more than 40 Boeing jetliners?


User currently offlineAndz From South Africa, joined Feb 2004, 8463 posts, RR: 10
Reply 4, posted (9 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 8164 times:
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Not quite Lee, according to http://www.flysaa.com SAA currently has the following Boeings:

8 x 744 (I question this, I think it is currently 6)
8 x 732 (excluding freighters)
21 x 738



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User currently offlineN60659 From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 654 posts, RR: 24
Reply 5, posted (9 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 8158 times:

From the 12-18 Apr issue of Flight International:

2 x 727-200F
9 x 737-200
21 x 737-800
8 x Boeing 747-400
-------------------
Total : 40 Boeing aircraft

Just not sure how current this is.

-N60659

[Edit: Andz, looks like you beat me to it. I will defer to your figures]

[Edited 2005-05-05 21:34:23]


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User currently offlineUSAF336TFS From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 1445 posts, RR: 51
Reply 6, posted (9 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 8123 times:

Well I went to Boeings site and could not find the press release... Then I re-read the post. Look at the date of this press release... It's dated Nov. 3, 1995...


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User currently offlineGoCOgo From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 701 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (9 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 8038 times:

Quoting Andz (Thread starter):
When confirmed, the orders and options will be valued at approximately $1.3 billion, the largest single order in the airline's 61-year history.



Quoting Andz (Thread starter):
16 747 jumbo jets

Currently

Quoting Andz (Reply 4):
8 x 744

I think with the recent huge AC and (probable) AI, the ANA 787 order, etc, plus the fact SAA has dropped the number of 747s, these are the points he was getting at. Either that, or he can't read the date.



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User currently offlineLeelaw From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (9 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 7990 times:

I guess the threadstarter's point here is that in less than 10 years SA's fleet has transitioned from being mostly Boeing to being predominantly Airbus?

User currently offlineXkorpyoh From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 821 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (9 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 7988 times:

if is from 1995, this post should be deleted because it is misleading.

User currently offlineAndz From South Africa, joined Feb 2004, 8463 posts, RR: 10
Reply 10, posted (9 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 7983 times:
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guys....read the topic.....and the date.....

and SAA have NO 727s, haven't had for the best part of 20 years.



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User currently offlineTWA902fly From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 3129 posts, RR: 4
Reply 11, posted (9 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 7945 times:

You guys - i think the point is that this article if from 1995, and since then the "how things can change" refers to the fact that SAA now flies A340s and such...

'902



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User currently offlineUSAF336TFS From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 1445 posts, RR: 51
Reply 12, posted (9 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 7901 times:

Quoting TWA902fly (Reply 11):
You guys - i think the point is that this article if from 1995, and since then the "how things can change" refers to the fact that SAA now flies A340s and such...

Yeah, sounds about right to me... But he should be reminded that some of us failed Mind Reading in college.  Wink



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User currently offlineAC787 From Canada, joined Mar 2005, 337 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (9 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 7887 times:

When did they cancel there 777 order and what was the reasoning? I'd have loved to see 777's in SAA colors

User currently offlineTinPusher007 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 983 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (9 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 7882 times:

Quoting USAF336TFS (Reply 12):
Yeah, sounds about right to me... But he should be reminded that some of us failed Mind Reading in college.

I agree..this topic is very misleading. The fact that SAA is switiching to an all-Airbus fleet is old news and has been discussed many many times.



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User currently offlineMrComet From Ireland, joined Mar 2005, 561 posts, RR: 8
Reply 15, posted (9 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 7839 times:

Damn...I hope none of you are pilots.


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User currently offlineAndz From South Africa, joined Feb 2004, 8463 posts, RR: 10
Reply 16, posted (9 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 7821 times:
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Quoting MrComet (Reply 15):
Damn...I hope none of you are pilots.

I'm sitting here shaking my head too.



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User currently offlineKahala777 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (9 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 7804 times:

Quoting Andz (Thread starter):
I found this press release on Boeing's website today

You mean 10 Years Ago?


Regards - Kahala777


User currently offlineUSAF336TFS From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 1445 posts, RR: 51
Reply 18, posted (9 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 7789 times:

Quoting MrComet (Reply 15):
Damn...I hope none of you are pilots.

Why do you have to pass the Mind Reading course?
 

Quoting Andz (Reply 16):
I'm sitting here shaking my head too.

Perhaps you could have made your point a little clearer?

 eyebrow 

[Edited 2005-05-05 22:24:24]


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User currently offlineAndz From South Africa, joined Feb 2004, 8463 posts, RR: 10
Reply 19, posted (9 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 7758 times:
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no...I was doing a search to find out when SAA started operating 737-200s and this was on the site....today.... you guys take yourselves WAY too seriously.

http://www.boeing.com/news/releases/1995/news.release.951103.html



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User currently offlineODAFZ From Afghanistan, joined Jul 2004, 357 posts, RR: 5
Reply 20, posted (9 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 7750 times:

Shall I remind you that we are in 2005, the article is written in 1995 and the delivery in 1997, well that is odd.
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Quoting Andz (Thread starter):

We're extremely pleased that South African Airways has chosen the 777 over its quad- and tri-jet competitors

........ the MD 11 is gone a long time ago..... as should have had this press release


User currently offlineLH423 From Canada, joined Jul 1999, 6501 posts, RR: 54
Reply 21, posted (9 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 7739 times:

I don't know why this is so hard to comprehend for some people? At first I thought it was a new order as well, but then I realized that if it were the topic would be much more like when Air Canada ordered the 777 and 787. A MASSIVE news event. Then I saw the date.

Yes, SAA was supposed to order the 777 however, IIRC, new management came in and cancelled the order and ordered the A340-600s instead. However, I think that's also when they ordered the 737-800s. Any word as to why they'll be leaving the fleet in 2010? Didn't the 738 replace the small fleet of A320s that SAA used to operate? I'd find it strange if SAA went back to the narrow Airbii after disposing of their original examples.

LH423



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User currently offlineAndz From South Africa, joined Feb 2004, 8463 posts, RR: 10
Reply 22, posted (9 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 7679 times:
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Well as some of the people who think they know all about airline matters have pointed out, SAA decided on an all Airbus fleet some time ago. The 738s were a political purchase as the CEO at the time was an American by the name of Coleman Andrews who decided to get rid of the 320s and 300s. When Andrews was booted and given a sizeable golden parachute the decision to go Airbus was made, and this has been discussed ad nauseum on here.

I guess the Airbus plan was scheduled to get good usage out of the brand new 738s and replace them last. There are already many 319 in the fleet, the new 320s are in limbo.



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User currently offlineClickhappy From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 9664 posts, RR: 68
Reply 23, posted (9 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 7653 times:
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There was also the embarrasing incident when one of the engines on the 777 used to demo for SAA when belly up on taxi for the demo flight. Oops.

User currently offlineGearup From Canada, joined Dec 2000, 578 posts, RR: 1
Reply 24, posted (9 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 7631 times:

I was taken in by it until the part "......trijet competitors", Wait a minute! My heart jumped, I thought Boeing was bringing the MD11 back! Then I woke and I realised it was all a dream!

GU  cry 



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25 Andz : oh dear I guess the original post title was too subtle for most.
26 Post contains images B747-437B : There are still 8 in the fleet AFAIK. ZS-SAK ZS-SAV ZS-SAW ZS-SAX ZS-SAY ZS-SAZ ZS-SBK ZS-SBS SAK and SAZ have the new config and are used almost exc
27 DfwRevolution : They ordered the 772ER with the PW9098 power plant. When that engine turned out to have horrible SFC, they cancelled their order. Same for Lan Chile
28 JMO-777 : @DfwRevolution: No, the 777 with Engineproblems was definetly a 200ER, from Delta. Flying those demoflights for Boeing. GreetZ, Jan
29 MrComet : Careful. People don't like to feel stupid. They get angry and appeal to the trigger happy moderators. This leads me to wonder what percentage of the
30 PM : Bear in mind that the airliners census figures in FLIGHT every year are notoriously inaccurate. A new JP Fleet Lists will be published imminently. Th
31 Post contains images N60659 : And here I was thinking that FI was the ultimate authority on everything man-made that flies. Just kidding !! -N60659
32 Flyer732 : That is correct, if I remember correctly the aircraft flew ATL-FLL-CPT, then was heading out for the demo flight and one of the engines started havin
33 Grantcv : The chronology of events is all messed up: - In 1995, SAA ordered a batch of 777 and 747s - After suffering terrible losses, Coleman Andrews came in t
34 Leelaw : An old-hand in the aircraft leasing business tells me the historical rate of firm order cancellations is close to 25%. Similarly, less than 40% of op
35 Andz : This was my main reason for posting the press release, I remember seeing another post last week querying who would be the first 380 cancellation, thi
36 JGPH1A : It was most likely economically motivated, as Airbus have offered offset work to Denel in SA, IIRC.
37 Bluepoole : Well, I just feel that a 777 in SAA's livery would have looked great!! One can still hope...maybe someday... Andz - slightly off-topic, why doesn't SA
38 JAM747 : I read sometime ago in either Airways or Airliners that the SAA deal was very competitive. It also said that the A340 had an economical advantage in h
39 SA7700 : According to an inside source, the entire J-class product on the 744's has now been converted to flatbed seats, as per "Millennium configuration". Th
40 Post contains images PlaneMad : "The airline will take delivery of its first airplanes in 1997, initially using them on some of its longer routes to Europe and the Middle East." As y
41 Post contains images PM : Another way to do it is to read the date on the article...
42 Andz : I give up.
43 Brons2 : Obviously. Why can't people enjoy an old press release without getting all mad about it? Good post Andz. Interesting historical view of things.
44 N60659 : Please don't. I think the majority of us get it. I, in fact, actually liked your old title for the thread. -N60659
45 Numbertwelve : Misleading? Andy wrote exactly what he published: a press release from 1995. So what is misleading??? In Germany we say "wer lesen kann ist klar im V
46 B747-437B : Don't SBK and SBS have one less first class suite (10 versus 11) than the rest of the fleet?
47 SA7700 : Yes Sean, that's correct. Rgds SA7700
48 MD80Nut : As an aside, does SAA plan to phase out the 747-400s as well and replace them with A340-600s or will they keep some? Cheers, Ralph
49 SA7700 : Andz, sorry for hijacking your thread. To my knowledge the 747's will be part of the SAA fleet for a few years to come. The A340's were acquired to re
50 Euclid : Andz, you know what we say here :"Vasbyt" (Afrikaans term meaning do not give up). Some people just will not see the point even if it jumped up and g
51 Andz : I think Andrews getting the golden handshake was the best thing for the airline at the time, everyone hated him, the crew were on the brink of revolt
52 Post contains images The777Man : SA never selected an engine type for their 777s although it was rumored that they favored RR. Perhaps they can change their mind again and order the 7
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