UA777222 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 3348 posts, RR: 11
Reply 5, posted (10 years 3 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 5217 times:
I thought it was always Airbus' thing to keep the aircraft for their own testing needs. The A340-311, A340-642, all 5 super transporters, Their A318-121, and their loved and very "broken in" A320-111. The A320 is the oldest of the airbus fleet almost pushing 20 years old. I think with the start of a whole new aircraft they will keep it...
EGNR From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2004, 514 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (10 years 3 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 5073 times:
Quoting Brons2 (Reply 9): Which frame will participate in the destructive testing?
Two static frames were/are being used for the ground/destructive testing - msn 5000 and msn 5001.
Quoting AeroVodochody (Reply 8): I'm pretty sure they only kept it because it wasn't suitable for airline use.
That's correct - the first A346 has a cabin door configuration that means it cannot be used for passenger operations with a typical cabin setup - it lacks the overwing emergency exits that are installed on all production A346s.
PM From Germany, joined Feb 2005, 7125 posts, RR: 63
Reply 11, posted (10 years 3 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 4741 times:
Quoting AeroVodochody (Reply 8): Once they're done testing it why keep it? sell it and get all that money back for it(how much do they cost anyway?)
When are they ever finished testing? Anyway, this kind of thing isn't unusual. I can't check right now but I'm pretty sure Boeing are still flying the first 757 off the line and they certainly didn't ever sell the first 747-100. Conversely, it can cost a company a small fortune to convert a pre-production airframe for sale. After they had finishied testing (I guess there are times when they do) Boeing sold 777 #001 to Cathay but, I believe, it was a struggle (and an expensive one) to make the necessary changes (not least the replacement of PW4000s with Trent 800s).
KC135TopBoom From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 12259 posts, RR: 51
Reply 12, posted (10 years 3 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 4709 times:
Boeing kept the B-367-80, the KC-135/B-707 prototype. They also kept the 1st B-747-100. Both these airplanes had long lives as test airplanes for engines, avonics, etc. They did not keep the first B-727/737/757/767/777. The first B-757 I know was delivered to Eastern after the flight test program. This airplane is now owned by NASA.
I seem to have read somewhere the first A-380 will be used for about 3 years by Airbus before being delivered to it's customer.
N60659 From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 654 posts, RR: 23
Reply 14, posted (10 years 3 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 4497 times:
Quoting PM (Reply 13): Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 12):
Boeing ... did not keep the first B-727/737/757/767/777. The first B-757 I know was delivered to Eastern after the flight test program.
I think you'll find that 757 #1 is N757A, belongs to Boeing and always has done. 757 #2 went to Eastern and now flies for NASA.
Based on what Randy Baseler said recently on his blog: "When we gave birth to the first 757 back in 1981, it set the standard for aviation technology and efficiency. Here's the interesting thing: that very first one didn't go to a customer. It's a Boeing-owned test airplane, still in use today. "
The aircraft (I think) is still parked on the south end of BFI.