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LOT To Be Bought By Lufthansa?  
User currently offlineSquirrel83 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (9 years 5 months 5 hours ago) and read 3419 times:



Did a search on Google News and found nothing really but interesting . . . Alot of subsidiarys involved if this is true. . . . THey also allready use the Miles & More Program (Star Alliance).

EuroLOT S.A.
* air transport of passengers, cargo, mail and goods

LOT Ground Services Sp. z o.o. Warsaw 51%
* passenger and baggage services in the passenger terminal
* aircraft services on the airport's apron
* cargo and mail services (from/to aircraft, on the apron, in cargo terminal)

LOT - Usługi Lotniskowe w Krakowie Sp. z o.o. (Airport Services) Krakow 50%
* airport ground service of aircraft, passengers and cargo
* aircraft and engine maintenance, and overhaul services

LOT - Usługi Lotniskowe w Gdańsku Sp. z o.o. (Airport Services) Gdansk 50%
* airport ground service of aircraft, passengers and cargo
* aircraft and engine maintenance, and overhaul services

GTL - LOT Usługi Lotniskowe Sp. z o.o. (Airport Services) Katowice 50%
* airport ground service of aircraft, passengers and cargo
* aircraft and engine maintenance, and overhaul services
* fuel turnover

WRO - LOT Usługi Lotniskowe Sp. z o.o. (Airport Services) Wroclaw 50%
* airport ground service of aircraft, passengers and cargo
* aircraft and engine maintenance, and overhaul services

POZ - LOT Usługi Lotniskowe Sp. z o.o. (Airport Services) Poznan 50%
* airport ground service of aircraft, passengers and cargo
* aircraft and engine maintenance, and overhaul services

SZZ - LOT Usługi Lotniskowe Sp. z o.o. (Airport Services) Szczecin 50%
* airport ground service of aircraft, passengers and cargo
* aircraft and engine maintenance, and overhaul services

LOT Catering Sp. z o.o. Warsaw 100%
* production sale, and delivery in Poland and abroad, of meals and semi-products for aviation markets and beyond
* rendering catering services as well as running catering outlets

PETROLOT Sp. z o.o. Warsaw 49%
* retail and wholesale of liquid, gas and solid fuels as well as petroleum-derivative and chemical products
* rendering storage and shipping services of liquid, gas and solid fuels as well as petroleum-derivative and chemical products
* fuelling aircraft and other vehicles

LOT Auto Services Sp. z o.o. Warsaw 100%
* maintenance and technical servicing of vehicles
* maintenance of combustion engines and power units
* maintenance and overhaul
* road transport and goods
* road transport and people
* wholesale and retail trade in cars, spare parts and miscellaneous car equipment

LIM Joint Venture Sp. z o.o. Warsaw 50%
* managing the office/commercial/hotel Center in Warsaw
* Managing office and Commercial Center space, and hotel in Warsaw


Casinos Poland Sp. z o.o. Warsaw 33,33%

* running casinos in Poland and abroad
* organizing other games of chance not covered by the state's monopoly
* running arcade, billiards, computer and video games
* purchase and sale of foreign currencies
* brokerage in purchasing and selling of foreign currencies

Central European Engine Services Sp. z o.o. Warsaw 51%
* maintenance and overhaul of civil aviation aircraft engines, modules, components, as well as aircraft engine accessories


Żuraw Sp. z o.o. Gdansk 33,33%
* (general construction works)

Centralwings Sp. z o.o. Warsaw 100%
* air transport


http://www.lot.com/app/index.jsp?area=about_us&type=companies


"According to French sources, Lufthansa is about to buy LOT Polish Airlines. Among else signals, LH's financial chief Karl-Ludwig Kley has been cited as eager to make such kind of investment. LOT owe Lufthansa their entrance to Star Alliance and have already been given the opportunity to become an important link between Eastern Europe and Frankfurt."

http://www.luchtzak.be/article8556.html



[Edited 2005-05-05 22:18:15]

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User currently offlineKahala777 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (9 years 5 months 5 hours ago) and read 3404 times:

Quoting Squirrel83 (Thread starter):
Lufthansa is about to buy LOT Polish Airlines

Let the rumors roll. If anything LOT will act as KLM is to Air France. LOT would not give into the fantasy of some and purchase a 787. In turn if they were to be part of the Lufthansa group, look for LOT to become an all Airbus operation with consolidated service.

Regards - Kahala777


User currently offlineBackfire From Germany, joined Oct 2006, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (9 years 5 months 4 hours ago) and read 3359 times:

Anyone who actually read the article which sparked this must have been completely bewildered. It emerged from a loose comment from Lufthansa, which didn't even mention LOT, was dismissed by both airlines, as well as a senior executive in LOT who would have known if it was true, AND the article even admitted that it was unlikely.

User currently offlineMilan320 From Canada, joined Jan 2005, 869 posts, RR: 11
Reply 3, posted (9 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 3189 times:

Ahh, but there's another article, in Polish, on this subject now:
http://www.polska.pl/aktualnosci/gospodarka/article.htm?id=166504

According to the article LH is planning on spending 3.8 billion Euros on investments.

I haven't been able to find the French article, so if any of our French speaking friends have a link for it, and could post it, that would be greatly appreciated.

If true, perhaps we won't see Airbus wide-bodies in LOTs fleet (given the rumors that they will probably purchase the 787), but perhaps some A320s in the future?

/Milan320



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User currently offlineBoeingBus From United States of America, joined May 2004, 1596 posts, RR: 18
Reply 4, posted (9 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 3154 times:

My bet is that LH is more interested in United after they exit bankruptcy or to thelp them get out... There have been rumors on this already.. both Star members... I can really see that... honestly, hope for it... I rather have LH save United than it go belly up... Of course, it wouldn't be full ownership just the 49%... enough to give them enough cash....LH/United would be a powerhouse...

For whatever reason, It saddens me when national airlines are purchase by another... all European countries have their own flavor... and if they start to merge you lose that... America can lose UA to LH... We got AA, NW and CO if you want that 'cowboy' experience...

So LH you need to buy United and leave LOT as it is... Looking forward to that day of flying their 787s...  Wink



Airbus or Boeing - it's all good to me!
User currently offlineUSAF336TFS From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 1445 posts, RR: 51
Reply 5, posted (9 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 3144 times:

Quoting Kahala777 (Reply 1):
Let the rumors roll. If anything LOT will act as KLM is to Air France. LOT would not give into the fantasy of some and purchase a 787. In turn if they were to be part of the Lufthansa group, look for LOT to become an all Airbus operation with consolidated service.

Regards - Kahala777

From well placed sources, the 787 purchase is just about a done deal. If anything, according to these same sources, LOT will be an all Boeing fleet.
I've heard the same rumors about Lufthansa buying LOT. My wife works for LH and same rumors are flying around there. There's also a rumor that LH bit off more then it can chew with it's Swiss purchase.If they do buy LOT, it would be silly to think that being an all Boeing fleet would be a negative factor, at least from LH's perspective. There are also rumors that LH is seriously considering the 787 anyway. If the A350 goes the way of the Sonic Cruiser, then eventually, I believe that purchase is a real possibility.

[Edited 2005-05-06 21:01:39]


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User currently offlineLOT767SP-LPA From Poland, joined May 2002, 159 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (9 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 3124 times:

Decision about buying LOT by LH will not be soon, but decision about buying new planes is very very late !!! so I don't thing that LOT will wait with buying planes for LH and then getting new widebodied aircrafts. To the end of 2007 they plan to get 8 planes size 767.

User currently offlineDanny From Poland, joined Apr 2002, 3509 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (9 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 3109 times:

Quoting LOT767SP-LPA (Reply 6):
To the end of 2007 they plan to get 8 planes size 767.

Any source for that? I know about 6th 767 but 2 more sound too optymistic considering 0 growth over last 15 years.


User currently offlineLOT767SP-LPA From Poland, joined May 2002, 159 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (9 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 3097 times:

I cannot tell any more  Smile Just wait till 2007  Smile

User currently offlineAirbazar From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 8410 posts, RR: 10
Reply 9, posted (9 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 3085 times:

Quoting BoeingBus (Reply 4):
For whatever reason, It saddens me when national airlines are purchase by another... all European countries have their own flavor... and if they start to merge you lose that... America can lose UA to LH... We got AA, NW and CO if you want that 'cowboy' experience...

Well, yes and no. There's as much flavor across European countries as there is across American states. In fact, these days you have to look hard to find a difference between, say Vienna and Paris, aside from the language and the most notorious landmarks. The point is, today's Europe is a very cohesive place, at least as far as the major hurban areas are concerned. You have the same stores, everyone dresses the same, the cars are the same, etc.

And these so called national airlines have stopped being national airlines a while ago. Not LOT yet, but most are now publicly traded companies with investors from different countries.


User currently offlineJoost From Netherlands, joined Apr 2005, 3170 posts, RR: 4
Reply 10, posted (9 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 3040 times:

Quoting Kahala777 (Reply 1):
If anything LOT will act as KLM is to Air France. LOT would not give into the fantasy of some and purchase a 787. In turn if they were to be part of the Lufthansa group, look for LOT to become an all Airbus operation with consolidated service.

I don't see why this is like AF-KL? When considering the AF-KL merger till now, it seems network-wise a pretty equal partnership. Distributing the destinations they can't both serve with profit; and keeping a huge part of the network in the current form. I think the Swiss-Lufthansa example is comparable.

However, in the current shape already, the difference between LH and LO is much bigger than it was between AF and KL. AFAIK, LOT's only long-haul destinations are JFK, ORD and YYZ; quite less than LH, AF or KL. I think by the way that due to the polish population in this 3 cities, there would be enough demand to support these routes non-stop from WAW. So in that regard, it won't change much. By the way, when browsing through LO's timetable, there are already many LH-codeshares...


User currently offlineDanny From Poland, joined Apr 2002, 3509 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (9 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 3027 times:

Quoting Joost (Reply 10):
LOT's only long-haul destinations are JFK, ORD and YYZ

And EWR, and soon.... something on the far east  Wink


User currently offlinePelican From Germany, joined Apr 2004, 2531 posts, RR: 8
Reply 12, posted (9 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 3017 times:

How about Lufthansa buying OS?  sarcastic 

pelican


User currently offlineMika From Sweden, joined Jul 2000, 2881 posts, RR: 3
Reply 13, posted (9 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 2968 times:

Quoting BoeingBus (Reply 4):
For whatever reason, It saddens me when national airlines are purchase by another... all European countries have their own flavor... and if they start to merge you lose that... America can lose UA to LH... We got AA, NW and CO if you want that 'cowboy' experience...

So LH you need to buy United and leave LOT as it is...

Amen to that brother.


User currently offlineBerlinflyer From Germany, joined Jan 2005, 94 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (9 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 2912 times:

Buying LOT would be logical, but I ´guess they still have enough work to do with Swiss. According to United: I don´t believe they would ever buy a big part of it. That could come out like the takeover of Chrysler by Daimler - it´s just not worth all the trouble.

User currently offlineJet-lagged From United States of America, joined Mar 2002, 874 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (9 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day ago) and read 2852 times:

I hope LOT stays independent. I don't want to see another European Carrier buy them. For sentimental reasons only if nothing else.

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