RJpieces From United States, joined Nov 2003, 6900 posts, RR: 50 Posted (3 years 7 months 16 hours ago) and read 4394 times:
It seems that NW's order for 787s will be mostly for expansion and not to replace any aircraft...So this must mean that we can expect a lot of new routes!
Anybody want to throw out some ideas? Keep in mind that the 787 can do to the Pacific what the 767 did to the Atlantic, meaning that the 787 will allow airlines to open up all sorts of new niche routes.
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Pilottim747 From United States, joined Jul 2001, 1606 posts, RR: 5 Reply 3, posted (3 years 7 months 16 hours ago) and read 4326 times:
It'd be nice to see a return to old international routes that dont have the demand for a B744 but a B787 might do the trick. NW used to have a MSP-KIX and a MSP-HKG flight.
Quoting Boeing757/767 (Reply 2): As long as NW gets the rights, this could open DTW to mainland China, restoring nonstop service to PVG, PEK, etc.
That seems like good speculation too. I wouldn't be surprised if the B787 lets NW start DTW-PEK and DTW-PVG again.
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Ti717 From United States, joined Jul 2000, 223 posts, RR: 1 Reply 4, posted (3 years 7 months 15 hours ago) and read 4307 times:
Looking at the Range vs Seats I am thinking High Yield markets. Make the Pax pay for the Non Stop. Fuel cost may be cheaper but the crew cost are the same. (Routes that you can now do with a stop in NTR or AMS)
On that Note:
DTW-DXB
DTW-India ??
MSP/DTW-SIN (BKK?)
MSP/DTW-HKG
MSP/DTW-Cape Town
MSP/DTW-China
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BOSPMV From United States, joined Apr 2005, 305 posts, RR: 0 Reply 5, posted (3 years 7 months 15 hours ago) and read 4234 times:
which model of the 787 are they getting, looking at the ideas being thrown around in thie thread, i'd guess they are buying the -8 or -9. What about the -3, any chance of getting that to replace some of the 753s on domestic routes?
or what about expansion into new markerts, Sydney, or Athens, or even Dubai or Instanbul?
N1120A From France, joined Dec 2003, 22904 posts, RR: 79 Reply 7, posted (3 years 7 months 15 hours ago) and read 4165 times:
Quoting B742 (Reply 1): Will the 787 replace the 757's?
No
Quoting Boeing757/767 (Reply 2): Also, NW could replace the 747-400 on JFK-NRT with the 787, thus increasing yield.
Not a chance. They oversell JFK-NRT as it is with the 744 and it is a very profitable route. There is no reason to drop both profit margin (lower seat-mile on the 744) as well as margin dollars
Quoting BOSPMV (Reply 5): What about the -3, any chance of getting that to replace some of the 753s on domestic routes?
That is a jump of something like 50-70 seats, something NW does not need
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Behramjee From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 3400 posts, RR: 29 Reply 8, posted (3 years 7 months 15 hours ago) and read 4146 times:
I hope to see these NWA B 787s flying daily to BOM, BLR and DEL from AMS in the near future.
Other hopeful routes include 4 weekly each DTW-DXB and DTW-IST (catering to the massive Arab population in Michigan state area and from IST coordinate with TK or other airlines for feeder services to THR-BEY-AMM-DAM etc).
AC787 From Canada, joined Mar 2005, 337 posts, RR: 0 Reply 12, posted (3 years 7 months 14 hours ago) and read 3998 times:
Is Syd-DTW actually doable. The 787-800's range is given as 8500 and the distance of that route is 8250. Is this enough of a margin to cover things such as head winds and such for the route to be operated without severe penalties?
N808NW From United States, joined Aug 2004, 367 posts, RR: 4 Reply 14, posted (3 years 7 months 14 hours ago) and read 3984 times:
Since NW has established DTW as the world gateway, I dont see NW placing too many new int'l routes out of MSP. I can see CDG, FRA, HKG, NGO, and KIX to be possible from MSP. Then again maybe not even one of those would happen.
I also believe NW may move its Euro hub from AMS to CDG in the next 4 or 5 years because of the KL/AF merger and that they are now a part of Skyteam. Its just a though.
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N1120A From France, joined Dec 2003, 22904 posts, RR: 79 Reply 15, posted (3 years 7 months 14 hours ago) and read 3978 times:
Quoting AC787 (Reply 12): Is Syd-DTW actually doable. The 787-800's range is given as 8500 and the distance of that route is 8250. Is this enough of a margin to cover things such as head winds and such for the route to be operated without severe penalties?
The distance of the route is actually 8225nm, and no, the restrictions would be severe. You need a 772LR for this route. LAX/SFO/SEA-SYD are more likely with the 788 if they wanted
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AC787 From Canada, joined Mar 2005, 337 posts, RR: 0 Reply 16, posted (3 years 7 months 14 hours ago) and read 3952 times:
Quoting N1120A (Reply 15): The distance of the route is actually 8225nm, and no, the restrictions would be severe. You need a 772LR for this route. LAX/SFO/SEA-SYD are more likely with the 788 if they wanted
Thats what I thought,thx
How many planes does it take to run a daily service to sydney from say LAX? I think the number is 3, would that rlly be worth it for NW with the amount of 787's there getting initially I doubt it. Hopefully by the time theve excersized there 50th option for the 787 theyll have the flight
Indy From United States, joined Jan 2005, 3870 posts, RR: 9 Reply 18, posted (3 years 7 months 14 hours ago) and read 3927 times:
Quoting N808NW (Reply 14): Since NW has established DTW as the world gateway, I dont see NW placing too many new int'l routes out of MSP. I can see CDG, FRA, HKG, NGO, and KIX to be possible from MSP. Then again maybe not even one of those would happen.
If there is O/D demand for it in MSP they will do it. NW isn't going to double handle passengers just for the sake of making the international flight originate from DTW. It wouldn't make financial sense. You do NS whenever possible. That would be consistant with the approach NW has taken with their focus cities.
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