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An Airliner Has Gone Missing In Australia  
User currently offlineBennett123 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2004, 7438 posts, RR: 3
Posted (9 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 10577 times:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/asia-pacific/4524547.stm

Does anyone have more up to date info.

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User currently offlineBNE From Australia, joined Mar 2000, 3173 posts, RR: 12
Reply 1, posted (9 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 10564 times:

This from Ninemsn. http://news.ninemsn.com.au/article.aspx?id=13420

A plane carrying 16 people has crashed in far north Queensland.

Police have confirmed wreckage of the plane was found just before 5pm (AEST), about nine kilometres north-west of Iron Range airport on the Cape York Peninsula.

It has been confirmed that there were 14 passengers and two crew on board.

The plane was travelling from Bamaga, near the tip of the Cape York Peninsula, but failed to arrive at Lockhart River around 1pm on Saturday.

Looks like the plane may have been operating a flight Aero-Tropics, although initial reports said that it may have been a charter.

http://www.aero-tropics.com.au/fleet.html

It was only the second lead story on tonights news as there wasn't many details.



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User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12082 posts, RR: 18
Reply 2, posted (9 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 10541 times:
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I heard about this on the 6pm news. A full search was declared 3 hours after it had failed to arrive

User currently offlineBNE From Australia, joined Mar 2000, 3173 posts, RR: 12
Reply 3, posted (9 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 10294 times:

Updated information.

It has been confirmed there were 13 passengers and two crew on board the plane, which crashed en route from Bamaga, near the tip of the Cape York Peninsula, to the township of Lockhart River.

Australian Search and Rescue have confirmed the burnt out wreckage was found just before 5:00pm AEST, about 10 kilometres north-west of Iron Range Airport.

Not confirmed but the plane could be VH-TFU, operated by Transair for Aero Tropics.

The only picture I could find on the database at the moment.


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User currently offlineNAV20 From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 9909 posts, RR: 36
Reply 4, posted (9 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 10169 times:

Apparently it was a Metroliner. 15 on board, no survivors.

The Cape York Peninsula is very thinly-populated, very few towns. The only way to reach the wreck is by helicopter - it will likely be a while before there are any more details. It's 8.30 p.m. here now, dark.

[Edited 2005-05-07 12:35:51]

[Edited 2005-05-07 12:37:14]


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User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12082 posts, RR: 18
Reply 5, posted (9 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 10118 times:
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Oh dear, less then 1 week after an Airworks metroliner crashed in New Zealand, another Metroliner has gone down

User currently offlineJamie757 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (9 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 9886 times:

Quoting 777ER (Reply 5):
Oh dear, less then 1 week after an Airworks metroliner crashed in New Zealand, another Metroliner has gone down

777ER, you beat me to it! Very unfortunate for two incidents to occur in one week!  frown 

Any more info as to what caused the crash yet? Any survivors?

Rgds


User currently offlinePiedmontnut From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 79 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (9 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 9803 times:

This is very sad news. My heart goes out to the surviving family members.  crying 


May the A380 arrive @ MCO in the near future.
User currently offlineNAV20 From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 9909 posts, RR: 36
Reply 8, posted (9 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 9652 times:

Quoting Jamie757 (Reply 6):
Any more info as to what caused the crash yet? Any survivors?

This is all there is so far:-

http://www.theage.com.au/news/Nation...rash/2005/05/07/1115422842487.html

As I said, it's late here (almost midnight Saturday) and I don't expect that investigators will be able to get in there and gather any facts for about another 12 hours minimum.

Lockhart River is a typical up-country strip with a 4,400ft. tarmac runway running NW/SE. No navaids or ILS as far as I know. Hills to about 1,000 feet to the north-west. Don't know what the weather was like at the time.

[Edited 2005-05-07 16:05:45]


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User currently offlineVivaGunners From Italy, joined Oct 2000, 363 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (9 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 9623 times:

These are always sad news,
My prayers goes to everybody involved in this crash...



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User currently offlineOzLAME From Australia, joined Feb 2005, 338 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (9 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 9437 times:

In terms of number of fatalities, this is the worst aircraft accident in Australia since the 1960s.


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User currently offlineSpike From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2004, 1170 posts, RR: 5
Reply 11, posted (9 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days ago) and read 9345 times:

What was the worst in Australia?

User currently offlineN867BX From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 339 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (9 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 8939 times:

Quoting 777ER (Reply 5):
Oh dear, less then 1 week after an Airworks metroliner crashed in New Zealand, another Metroliner has gone down

Not a good week for the Texas lawn dart.


User currently offlineIsuA380B777 From New Zealand, joined May 2005, 169 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (9 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 7803 times:

Quoting N867BX (Reply 12):

Accident description


Date: 31 DEC 1968
Time: ca 11:35
Type: Vickers 720 Viscount
Operator: MacRobertson Miller Airlines
Registration: VH-RMQ
Msn / C/n: 45
Year built: 1954
Crew: 5 fatalities / 5 on board
Passengers: 21 fatalities / 21 on board
Total: 26 fatalities / 26 on board
Airplane damage: Written off
Location: 48 km (30 mls) S of Port Hedland, WA (Australia)
Phase: En route
Nature: Domestic Scheduled Passenger
Departure airport: Perth Airport, WA (PER)
Destination airport: Port Hedland Airport, WA (PHE)
Flightnumber: 1750
Narrative:
Flight 1750 departed Perth at 08:29 for a flight to Port Hedland.
The flight climbed to FL190, encountering light to moderate turbulence. Last radiocontact was at 11:34 when the crew reported 30DME south of Port Hedland, descending from 7000 feet. The aircraft was seen to descend rapidly and steeply a little later. The wreckage was found at 28 miles from Port Hedland.
CAUSE: "The cause of the accident was that the fatigue endurance of the starboard inner main spar lower boom was substantially reduced by the insertion of a flared bush at station 143 when the margin of safety associated with the retirement life specified for such booms did not ensure that this boom would achieve its retirement life

Reference : http://aviation-safety.net/database/record.php?id=19681231-2

[Edited 2005-05-08 01:24:13]

User currently offlineIsuA380B777 From New Zealand, joined May 2005, 169 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (9 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 7693 times:

Quoting Spike (Reply 11):

Extremely sorry about the accident. May all be in peace

The worst Accident in Australia is :
Accident description


Date: 31 DEC 1968
Time: ca 11:35
Type: Vickers 720 Viscount
Operator: MacRobertson Miller Airlines
Registration: VH-RMQ
Msn / C/n: 45
Year built: 1954
Crew: 5 fatalities / 5 on board
Passengers: 21 fatalities / 21 on board
Total: 26 fatalities / 26 on board
Airplane damage: Written off
Location: 48 km (30 mls) S of Port Hedland, WA (Australia)
Phase: En route
Nature: Domestic Scheduled Passenger
Departure airport: Perth Airport, WA (PER)
Destination airport: Port Hedland Airport, WA (PHE)
Flightnumber: 1750
Narrative:
Flight 1750 departed Perth at 08:29 for a flight to Port Hedland.
The flight climbed to FL190, encountering light to moderate turbulence. Last radiocontact was at 11:34 when the crew reported 30DME south of Port Hedland, descending from 7000 feet. The aircraft was seen to descend rapidly and steeply a little later. The wreckage was found at 28 miles from Port Hedland.
CAUSE: "The cause of the accident was that the fatigue endurance of the starboard inner main spar lower boom was substantially reduced by the insertion of a flared bush at station 143 when the margin of safety associated with the retirement life specified for such booms did not ensure that this boom would achieve its retirement life

Reference : http://aviation-safety.net/database/record.php?id=19681231-2

Regards
Isuru


User currently offlineWebby From Australia, joined Feb 2005, 6 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (9 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 7246 times:

Some newspaper reports (not that they are reliable sources) are pointing to CFIT. Apparently the pilots declared their approach and were never heard from again.

Very sad day for all involved.


User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12082 posts, RR: 18
Reply 16, posted (9 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 7003 times:
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Quoting Webby (Reply 15):
are pointing to CFIT

Whats CFIT?

Welcome IsuA380B777 to the a.net gang, wanring this site can get very addictive. Can also get 'violent' will some members coming in with all guns firing


User currently offlineNAV20 From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 9909 posts, RR: 36
Reply 17, posted (9 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 6984 times:

A bit more news:-

"A police rescuer has been winched down to the site of the far north Queensland plane crash where 15 people are presumed dead on a rugged mountain top. Police said the lone investigator would take photographs and video of the wreckage before being winched out again and returned to the airstrip at Lockhart River. Police would then determine what course of action they would take to recover the bodies.

"The Aero-Tropics Metroliner twin-engined plane crashed into the 500m mountain about 11km north west of the Lockhart River airport around noon on Saturday. There were 15 people on board, 13 passengers and two crew.

"The pilot had radioed he was approaching Lockhart River to land at around 11.45am (AEST), but the plane never arrived.

"A searching helicopter found the wreckage about four hours later."


http://news.ninemsn.com.au/article.aspx?id=13420



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User currently offlineOzLAME From Australia, joined Feb 2005, 338 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (9 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 6900 times:

To answer your question Spike:

There was another Viscount lost near Winton in Queensland (birthplace of QANTAS) in 1966, also with twenty-six aboard. It lost a wing after a cabin supercharger failed and caught fire.

In 1960 a Fokker Friendship went into the sea near Mackay in Queensland with twenty-eight on board. The cause was unknown, but investigators suspected that the crew mis-read their three-pointer type altimeters and thought they were a thousand feet higher than their actual altitude. After this crash a Court of Enquiry recommended that drum-pointer altimeters and CVRs be fitted to RPT aircraft.

In 1950 a DC-4 was lost east of Perth in Western Australia, also with twenty-eight aboard, after a quadruple engine failure. In 1953 an Australian DC-6 was lost near SFO with nineteen on board after hitting a mountain on approach. In 1961 another Viscount with fifteen people on board broke up in a thunderstorm and went into Botany Bay a few minutes after taking off from SYD.

The above information is from Macarthur Job's book 'Air Crash Vol. 2'.

IIRC the Metro crash is only the fourth fatal RPT crash in Australia since the 1968 Viscount crash. There was a King Air crash at SYD in 1980, a Piper Chieftain at (I think) Cootamundra in NSW in 1991 or thereabouts; and a Turbo Commander into the sea on the way to either Lord Howe or Norfolk Island, IIRC that occured in 1994. We have been very fortunate in this country.

[Edited 2005-05-08 03:10:40]


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User currently offlineOzLAME From Australia, joined Feb 2005, 338 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (9 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 6867 times:

Quoting 777ER (Reply 16):
Whats CFIT?

Controlled Flight Into Terrain



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User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12082 posts, RR: 18
Reply 20, posted (9 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 6858 times:
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Just heard on the 1pm radio news that fire is believed to also be involved as what happened to the airworks metroliner four days earlier. A mid-air explosion is not being ruled out yet

User currently offlineJetfuel From Australia, joined Jan 2005, 2204 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (9 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 6571 times:

I certainly would not rule out CFIT. I hear that the weather was poor at the time of arrival. Very sad indeed. I guess we await a full investigation


Where's the passion gone out of the airline industry? The smell of jetfuel and the romance of taking a flight....
User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12082 posts, RR: 18
Reply 22, posted (9 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 5826 times:
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Quoting OzLAME (Reply 19):

Thanks

The police rescue officer has confirmed that all 15 passengers and crew are dead Sad


User currently offlineGQfluffy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (9 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 5774 times:

Oh no! Not another Metro! Condolences to everyone involved.

*Sigh

I don't know what to feel...

I turned half a dozen Metroliners today at work...  worried 

fluffy


User currently offlineStirling From Italy, joined Jun 2004, 3943 posts, RR: 22
Reply 24, posted (9 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 5397 times:

Quoting OzLAME (Reply 18):
IIRC the Metro crash is only the fourth fatal RPT crash in Australia since the 1968 Viscount crash

What is RPT?



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25 NAV20 : I must say I feel for that Queensland copper. Imagine risking your neck getting winched down to the wreck, and then having to 'investigate' and count
26 Post contains links NAV20 : Picture of the crash site on here:- http://www.theage.com.au/news/Nation...8/1115491035062.html?oneclick=true Radio reports say crash was on a 60% slo
27 OzLAME : Regular Public Transport, which is scheduled airline service, as opposed to charter or private flights.
28 777ER : You need to register in order to view the pictures
29 Post contains links and images BNE : Aircraft missing is a Metro 23 which Operates HC170/HC171 on CNS - Bamaga - CNS on RPT operated by Transair for Aero Tropics. So not charter as I earl
30 Aussie_ : There was also the Whyalla Airlines chieftan crash just a few years back.
31 Mariner : I agree with that. mariner
32 NAV20 : Cheers, Mariner. Sad business indeed. Our TV news said, weather low cloud and rain; Cockpit Voice Recorder and Flight Data Recorder recovered, but 'he
33 Bennett123 : Texas Lawn Dart?. Are you saying that the Metro Liner has a bad record, first time that I have heard of it.
34 Aussie_ : All indictations point to CFIT (Controlled Flight into Terrain) This is supported by the fact that the aircraft was on approach in bad weather, no rep
35 BNE : News reports this morning suggests that the plane was 320metres below where they should have been.
36 QANTASLINK : Our thoughts and prayers go out to all those lost and their families.
37 OzLAME : I'd forgotten that one; so this is the fifth RPT accident since 1968. If the cause is CFIT it would also be the first such accident on Australian RPT
38 777ER : Just as well this crash wasn't thought to have been caused by the same problem as the airworks metro. If it was then it could have caused Australias a
39 Post contains links NAV20 : One new fact in this, from the 'disaster coordinator'; "It would appear that the impact is at about 1,300 feet above sea level and the actual terrain
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