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User currently offlineAirbusfanYYZ From Canada, joined Oct 2002, 1437 posts, RR: 25
Posted (9 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 3029 times:

Question for those in the know at GTAA.
I noticed that the "hammerhead" portion of the new Pier F (currently under construction) appears to have six (6) double height gate structures.

I am going to assume that they are for handling the 380, but doesn't the number seem a bit excessive when airports like LHR will have only 4?
Other than EK and BA (if they order them) I can't fathom anyone else bringing in a 380 into YYZ.
Mind you I would love to see 6 380s at Pearson! Big grin

Cheers,
Kaz


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User currently offlineEnviroTO From Canada, joined Aug 2004, 829 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (9 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 2927 times:

It is a new terminal which will be around for at least 50 years. Who knows what will be needed? They probably would have only created one or two gates if they had been simply upgrading an existing terminal to handle the A380.

User currently offlineIMatAMS From Netherlands, joined Feb 2005, 317 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (9 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 2862 times:

And don't forget that double bridges can be very handy for speeding up boarding on other widebodies, like the 747 or even 777, assuming that these bridges are of the same kind that we have in AMS, where the higher one is over the wing and can attach to a rear door..

IM


User currently offlineAirbusfanYYZ From Canada, joined Oct 2002, 1437 posts, RR: 25
Reply 3, posted (9 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 2752 times:

IMatAMS,

No not like the ones at Schipol, these are double height gates.

Cheers,
Kaz



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User currently offlineIMatAMS From Netherlands, joined Feb 2005, 317 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (9 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 2718 times:

So two bridges straight on top of each other... That WOULD be a 380-only config...Although I presume that, if there's not enough 380 demand, they'll be able to use them on other types, not using the upper bridge, right? Otherwise it'll be a massive waste of capacity for years to come..

IM


User currently offlineLnglive1011yyz From Canada, joined Oct 2003, 1608 posts, RR: 15
Reply 5, posted (9 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 2650 times:

Kaz:

I think everyone tends to think of "today" versus, the future.

Who knows what BA might to in the future with regards to their long-haul fleet. Or, AF.

At least the GTAA isn't thinking along the same lines that the Gov't did back in the 50's when they built T1-old. IT was almost out-dated the day it opened hahaha.

BTW, Kaz, some GREAT shots recently -- hope to see you and some of the others out there over the next couple weeks.

Mike (aka, 1011yyz)



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User currently offlineEnviroTO From Canada, joined Aug 2004, 829 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (9 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 2617 times:

Perhaps a second deck gate could be angled over the wing to serve a back door on a 747, 777, or A340

User currently offlineYOW From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (9 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 2591 times:

Quoting Lnglive1011yyz (Reply 5):
At least the GTAA isn't thinking along the same lines that the Gov't did back in the 50's when they built T1-old. IT was almost out-dated the day it opened hahaha.

The feds did that to pretty much every terminal they built (except maybe YYZ's T2), until they got out of the aiport biz in the 90s.

I would hope the GTAA is not wasting more money for the second bridge on these 6 gates so that they're solely A380-compatible. You would have to think the upper-level bridge can be lowered enough to reach the L1 or L2 door on other single-level widebodies, or at the very least the upper deck door of a 747.


User currently offlineEnviroTO From Canada, joined Aug 2004, 829 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (9 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 2560 times:

The 6 piers aren't two levels solely for the purpose of A380s. I am pretty sure the upper level exists also to separate the customs arrivals (upper level) from the boarding lounge (lower level).

User currently offlineOlympus69 From Canada, joined Jun 2002, 1737 posts, RR: 7
Reply 9, posted (9 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 2478 times:

I was going to suggest the same thing - only the other way round. Arrivals on the lower level, departures on the upper. At least that's the way it is when you first arrive at terminal 1 - either to fly somewhere or to meet someone arriving by plane.

User currently offlineSlawko From Canada, joined May 1999, 3799 posts, RR: 9
Reply 10, posted (9 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 2469 times:

Arrivals go up above Departures at T1 New...


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User currently offlineC172Akula From Canada, joined Mar 2001, 1010 posts, RR: 4
Reply 11, posted (9 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 2446 times:

I just flew through YYZ today on my way back to YYC and was going to post this exact question. This was also my first experience with the new terminal and I must say it was very enjoyable!

User currently offlineEnviroTO From Canada, joined Aug 2004, 829 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (9 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 2431 times:

The roadway levels do not match the post-screening (pier) levels. On the roadways the upper level is departures, the middle level is arrivals, and the lower level is ground transportation. In the piers (beyond security) the levels flip and the middle level is the departure lounges, the upper level is arrivals, and the lower level that isn't accessible to the public is for baggage and such.

User currently offlineCanadaEH From Canada, joined Jul 2003, 1341 posts, RR: 4
Reply 13, posted (9 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 2387 times:

I walked around T1 a few weeks ago.

First impression: WOW. What a big terminal! I got the same feeling that a lot of poeple have expressed, however, and that being that it felt very sterile. There is no need for such an open check-in area, it felt way too big.



EH.
User currently offlineEnviroTO From Canada, joined Aug 2004, 829 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (9 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 2381 times:

It is hard to judge whether or not the scale of the check-in area is waranted yet because it is only being used for something like a third of its intended capacity. Once Pier F and Pier G are connected to the check-in area it might be a little more crowded. It could use more colour though... perhaps they should hang something colourful over the check-in area to liven things up. Even hanging the flags of the world in there would really liven it up. I would imagine that the main hall (post screening) in AA's Chicago terminal would look fairly sterile too if they didn't have the flags or other decorations in there.

User currently offlineOlympus69 From Canada, joined Jun 2002, 1737 posts, RR: 7
Reply 15, posted (9 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 2334 times:

Quoting Slawko (Reply 10):
Arrivals go up above Departures at T1 New...

I should have remembered that from the trials before T1 opened. For arriving passengers the transition comes when you go down to the baggage area. Departing passengers go down after security.


User currently offlineYYZatcboy From Canada, joined Apr 2005, 1098 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (9 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 2273 times:
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I can't wait for the new terminal to be operational.(100% that is) It looks great and it is nice to see so much of the airfield from it. Gotta love those huge windows!!

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User currently offline36r From Canada, joined Dec 2001, 8 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (9 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 2261 times:

I guess this would explain the need for the second highest landing fees in the world!  dollarsign 

User currently offlineEnviroTO From Canada, joined Aug 2004, 829 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (9 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 2228 times:

^ That and paying rent to an absentee landlord that provides no leasehold improvements whatsoever.

User currently offlineRattibone From Canada, joined Jul 2003, 125 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (9 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 2219 times:

Back to the question in mind only 1 gate at Pier F is going to be able to handle the A380. I know this because I saw the drawings with the gate mixes.

User currently offlineYOWguy From Canada, joined Jan 2005, 135 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (9 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 2195 times:

I am like most ....can't wait for T1 to be fully operational.

Went to the LHR last year via AC , just after T1 opened. Thought I would be waiting in the new lounges and the large array of duty free shops.  bouncy 

Only to find out when I got there, to be shipped by a shuttle bus , to the mid field terminal, and only a handfull of shops.  frown 


User currently offlineJAGflyer From Canada, joined Aug 2004, 3583 posts, RR: 4
Reply 21, posted (9 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 2143 times:

YUL's aeroquay is very old (my dad flew out of there in the 70s on DC8s) and the jetways there now have about 5-6 steps which you must climb to get in/out of the jetway itself. I assume this was because those gates were meant for lower planes of the 70s/80s and now the planes are higher meaning the original jetways would not be able to accomedate them.


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