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User currently offlineBoeingForEver From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 219 posts, RR: 0
Posted (9 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 2993 times:

I just came home on one of continentals 777 business first seats, and i was disappointed. in fact, i noticed that the seat was more comfortable in the cradle position, than it was in the lie flat position. although, im 6'3, i have seen other lie flat business class seats(raffles,qantas), and those were fine. Continentals engineers have some work on their hands. the angle just doesnt work

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User currently offlineRichard28 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2003, 1610 posts, RR: 6
Reply 1, posted (9 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 2959 times:

In the world of J class seats there are two version of "flat"

most airlines go for a flat bed which is at angle, and thus saves on pitch for the seat allowing more seats to be put in the cabin.

It made me laugh when NW launched their angled flat seat, saying it wasn't truly flat, as research showed that passengers preferred an angled bed!

The other type is the true horizontal J class flat bed, pioneered by BA, and now with SAA and VS also.

In these beds, you can get some proper flat sleep!


User currently offlineAvek00 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 4368 posts, RR: 19
Reply 2, posted (9 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 2955 times:

IMHO, it's not a problem of angle but rather of pitch - at 6'4", I literally have no place to put my feet.


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User currently offlineRichard28 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2003, 1610 posts, RR: 6
Reply 3, posted (9 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 2949 times:

Quoting Avek00 (Reply 2):
IMHO, it's not a problem of angle but rather of pitch - at 6'4", I literally have no place to put my feet.

Fly with VS, you have 6ft 7.5 inches of flat bed there........


User currently offlineTinPusher007 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 977 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (9 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 2868 times:

I have never flown anyone's J-class product...just domestic first on DL (yawn) but anyway. If you have the window seat and need to get up for the bathroom while the person next to you is sleeping...how does that work? Do you climb over them?


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User currently offlineBoeingATL From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 144 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (9 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 2818 times:

CO does not really have lie-flat seats. Nor does DL, but DL does have 60" of pitch compared to CO's 55". DL's seats are leather, CO cloth also CO has this weird footrest, like a metal stirrup. If you're window on either DL or CO and your aisle partner is fully reclined it can be a very awkward climb over especially when you're 2 meters tall and have to deal with the overhead bin. That's why I always fly the middle row on both. CO's 767's have a single seat in the middle. Flying it for 11 hours next week, we'll see how it feels with an aisle on both sides.


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User currently offlineSllevin From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 3376 posts, RR: 6
Reply 6, posted (9 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 2740 times:

I've flown three variants of the 'lie flat' style J seats: NW, CO and KL (in fact, I just got off KL605 about six hours ago).

I find them all lousy as beds. I find myself able to get very comfy in the cradle position, though.

My personal rankings (and these are very much a person-to-person thing, IMO) are:

KL
CO
NW

with the edge given to CO if it's a daytime flight and you will be sitting upright most of the time.

Steve


User currently offlineCarfield From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 1910 posts, RR: 9
Reply 7, posted (9 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 2714 times:

I actually like NW's WBC seats better than CO. CO's BF seats are also an earlier generation of lie flat seats...

Well to be honest, I actually like the old style sleeper seats... and find all the angled lie flat seats very uncomfortable, even CX or SQ. DL Business Elite seats don't bother me at all... as well as BMI's business seats.

Of course, the Virgin suites are truly the best J sleeper seats out there, but I guess only NZ is going with these seats. BA sleeper seats are also fully flat, but the problem is the narrowness of the seats.

Carfield


User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26414 posts, RR: 76
Reply 8, posted (9 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 2651 times:

Quoting Richard28 (Reply 1):
The other type is the true horizontal J class flat bed, pioneered by BA, and now with SAA and VS also.

NZ too

Quoting TinPusher007 (Reply 4):
If you have the window seat and need to get up for the bathroom while the person next to you is sleeping...how does that work? Do you climb over them?

There is plenty of space to get out

Quoting Carfield (Reply 7):
Of course, the Virgin suites are truly the best J sleeper seats out there, but I guess only NZ is going with these seats.

NZ are the only ones allowed to use them as Virgin owns the patents and has only licensed it to NZ



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User currently offlineRichard28 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2003, 1610 posts, RR: 6
Reply 9, posted (9 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 2519 times:

Quoting TinPusher007 (Reply 4):
If you have the window seat and need to get up for the bathroom while the person next to you is sleeping...how does that work?

it varies.

On BA you have to step over the feet of your neighbour. On VS every seat has aisle access (they have a herringbone layout) so there is not a problem.


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