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UA F/A's Who Flew The Caravelle  
User currently offlineCblikestofly From United States of America, joined May 2005, 11 posts, RR: 0
Posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 3651 times:

Are there any UA F/A's who worked the Caravelle that remember having to manually lower the landing gear when it wouldn't automatically? My sister was a F/A in the 1960's and she laughingly recalls having to manually crank the gear when it got stuck. I sometimes wonder if she is pulling my leg and if it was possible to do this!!!. I would appreciate any stories from anyone.

Thanks, cb

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User currently offlineFlySSC From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 7412 posts, RR: 57
Reply 1, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 3517 times:

Well, I am not a UA F/A but I did flew the Caravelle when I was a young F/A in the late 80's.
You sister is maybe talking about the rear stairs, not the landing gear !

The rear stairs would retarct automatically only if the engines were running, which means that when the a/c needed a pushback, you had to do it manually by "pumping" ... just like when you want to get water out of a fountain or a well.

There was no special procedure concerning the gear on the Caravelle...


User currently offlineClassicLover From Ireland, joined Mar 2004, 4636 posts, RR: 23
Reply 2, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 3500 times:

Never knew that, that's pretty interesting!

Trent.



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User currently offlineCblikestofly From United States of America, joined May 2005, 11 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 3372 times:

Thanks FlySSC for the explanation about the Caravelle's landing gear. Now I can get on with my life!!! HAHA!! Guess I had the story all wrong.

By the way, what airline did you fly that used the Caravelle?

Thanks again. cb


User currently offlineFlySSC From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 7412 posts, RR: 57
Reply 4, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 3242 times:

When I joined Air France in 1987, AF was not anymore operating the Caravelle, but AF had a Charter subsidiary called Air Charter (actually owned by AF & Air Inter) who was still operating the Caravelle, in a single Y class config.

Air Charter a/c were served by AF's Cabin Crew and Pilots. That's how I was lucky to do some flights on the Caravelle !


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User currently offlineCblikestofly From United States of America, joined May 2005, 11 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 3101 times:

Fly, thanks for the photos.

cb


User currently offlineDIA From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 3273 posts, RR: 27
Reply 6, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 3044 times:

Quoting Cblikestofly (Thread starter):
My sister was a F/A in the 1960's and she laughingly recalls having to manually crank the gear when it got stuck

Forget that! I want to know if she ever had to re-pack the brake-chute!  Wink


More seriously. . .You're very lucky to have someone to talk to who worked aboard the Caravelle. . .what a treat.

I have a question for her, if you dont mind: I own a quite extensive collection of UAL "stuff." Most of it dates back into the 1930s, 1940s and 1950s. although, one peice of the collection is a glassware dish from a UAL Caravelle. It looks like a serving dish, but I haven't been able to verify that, let alone find another that exists. It has a picture of the Caravelle in the center of the dish. I don't know much else. . .without looking at it (I'm at work right now). Does she recall the serving glassware? If you decide this is worth researching. . .I'll look at the plate tonight and see if there are any markings on the bottom, then I'll post them here tomorrow (if I have new info).

I appreciate any info she may provide, and thank you for your posting.

DIA



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User currently offlineCblikestofly From United States of America, joined May 2005, 11 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 6 days ago) and read 3032 times:

Give me some more info about the dish and I'll ask her.

She was a F/A for two years, mostly flew the Caravelle and occasionally a DC-8. She got married so.........that was the end of her F/A career! Had to be single then of course. She retired five years ago as a customer service agent, but has also done route planning in SFO. Also opened the Anchorage station when UA started flying there. Just some info about her if you are interested.

cb


User currently offlineDIA From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 3273 posts, RR: 27
Reply 8, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 2845 times:

Quoting Cblikestofly (Reply 7):
Give me some more info about the dish and I'll ask her.

Sounds good. I couldn't check it yet, so I'll give it a dig tonight (May 10th). Anyhow, thanks for the help to a possible answer. . .I'll post my findings on this post probably tomorrow.


Cheers



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User currently offlineFlySSC From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 7412 posts, RR: 57
Reply 9, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 2773 times:

Quoting DIA (Reply 6):
It looks like a serving dish, but I haven't been able to verify that, let alone find another that exists. It has a picture of the Caravelle in the center of the dish. I don't know much else. . .without looking at it (I'm at work right now). Does she recall the serving glassware?

DIA, this very possible : United used to fly some Caravelle in a single First Class configuration, between New-York and Chicago ... so they were for sure using "real" plates, glasses etc...


User currently offlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17501 posts, RR: 45
Reply 10, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 2744 times:

I'm sure the less senior flight attendants that are currently flying with UA could answer your questions...  Wink


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User currently offlineDIA From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 3273 posts, RR: 27
Reply 11, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 2702 times:

Quoting FlySSC (Reply 9):
DIA, this very possible : United used to fly some Caravelle in a single First Class configuration, between New-York and Chicago ... so they were for sure using "real" plates, glasses etc...

That did cross my mind a few months ago. . .but I didn't think anything of it. Thanks for that reminder. . .may make finding my answer easier.

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 10):
I'm sure the less senior flight attendants that are currently flying with UA could answer your questions...

Hey, now.... optimist 



Anyhow. . .I'll look at my plate tonight. . .I'll try to post tonight with the info as well. Looks like I'm on the road tomorrow (no internet access).



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User currently offlineDIA From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 3273 posts, RR: 27
Reply 12, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 2631 times:

Okay, here it is. . .I wish I could upload a pic. . . but anyway:

It is an oval, clear glass dish. On the serving side, it says "The Executive" and then a picture of the Caravelle, then under the a/c it says United Air Lines - the writing and the Caravelle are all in gold leaf color. Nothing is on the back. . .no date, no maker. . .nothing. On both sides of the plane, there are four emblems. . .they look like the French Quarter "forks" as far as I can describe. . .The dish is about a foot long at the sides and 7 inches from top to bottom (looking at it straight on).

Hope that helps. . .maybe it was from a UA 1st Class outfitted Caravelle as mentioned above in another post?

Anyhow,
Cheers and thanks for any help you and your sister can provide.



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User currently offlineLemurs From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 1439 posts, RR: 4
Reply 13, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 2608 times:

Quoting DIA (Reply 12):
. .they look like the French Quarter "forks" as far as I can describe. . .The

Do you mean fleur-de-lis? Like these? http://www.fleurdelis.com/fleurs.htm



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User currently offlineCblikestofly From United States of America, joined May 2005, 11 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 2516 times:

I talked to my sister and to the best of her knowledge it was used in First Class as a serving plate for food and then offered to passengers. The description and design of the plate and especially the "Executive" inscription lead her to believe this. She never worked First Class so it's a guess but an educated one.

Sorry, but this is all the info I have. Maybe someone at UA can offer more on this topic. Sure is interesting, though.

cb


User currently offlineDIA From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 3273 posts, RR: 27
Reply 15, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 2392 times:

Quoting Lemurs (Reply 13):
Do you mean fleur-de-lis? Like these?

Exactly --thanks.

Quoting Cblikestofly (Reply 14):
I talked to my sister and to the best of her knowledge it was used in First Class as a serving plate for food and then offered to passengers. The description and design of the plate and especially the "Executive" inscription lead her to believe this. She never worked First Class so it's a guess but an educated one.

Sorry, but this is all the info I have. Maybe someone at UA can offer more on this topic. Sure is interesting, though.

Thanks. . .it actually does help, as to this is more than I knew before. It must just be a rarity to come across one of these.

Thanks again,
DIA



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