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Continental And The A340  
User currently offlineGg190 From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2005, 160 posts, RR: 0
Posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 13876 times:

One of my civil aviation books contains a picture of an Airbus 340-200 in the old (Orange & Gold) Continental livery. Did Continental ever operate an A340?

The image could be computer generated, or a model set against a background. If it this begs the question, if Continental did not operate the A340 did theyever plan to?

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User currently offlineCLEfan From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 299 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 13853 times:

Continental ordered the A340, but canceled the order before taking delivery.

User currently offlineGg190 From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2005, 160 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 13828 times:

Quoting CLEfan (Reply 1):
Continental ordered the A340, but canceled the order before taking delivery.

Thank you that would explain it. Any idea why continental cancelled the A340? Was it because of the launch of the 777?


User currently offlineTACAA320 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 13827 times:

CO is Boeing.



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User currently offlineB742 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2005, 3762 posts, RR: 19
Reply 4, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 13769 times:

TACAA320, yes this was one of the reasons!

CO operates an all boeing fleet:
777-200
767-400
767-200
757-300
757-200
737-900
737-800
737-700
737-500
737-300

Although CO previously operated the A300!
Rob!


User currently offlineNewark777 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 9348 posts, RR: 30
Reply 5, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 13748 times:

Quoting TACAA320 (Reply 3):
CO is Boeing.

Pretty much explains it. Fleet commonality being the main factor, wouldn't make much sense for them to be 737, 757, 767, and then A340. And now with all the MD's gone, they are completely Boeing.

EDIT: Not sure I would like the look, either.  Wink


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[Edited 2005-05-08 20:36:10]


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User currently offlineDfwRevolution From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 911 posts, RR: 51
Reply 6, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 13662 times:

Quoting Gg190 (Reply 2):
Was it because of the launch of the 777?

No, they went bankrupt and the A340 order was cancelled during the reorganization. After they emerged from bankruptcy, the leadership that came to power was pro-Boeing/GE and selected the 772ER for the flagship.

Over the next decade, they have been pro-activy trimming fleet types... eliminating the 747, DC-10, MD-80, A300, and others.


User currently offlineAa777jr From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 13602 times:

What happened to the above A340 with CO livery? Did Airbus sell it to another carrier?

Regards.


User currently offlineRockyRacoon From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 951 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 13554 times:

It's a fake dude...................




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User currently offlineNewark777 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 9348 posts, RR: 30
Reply 9, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 13533 times:

Quoting Aa777jr (Reply 7):
What happened to the above A340 with CO livery? Did Airbus sell it to another carrier?

Yeah, that is from the Modified Airliners Database. Sorry for fooling you.  Wink

Harry



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User currently offlineAa777jr From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 13526 times:

Quoting RockyRacoon (Reply 8):
It's a fake dude...................

The spelling of the livery on the side of the plane does look sketchy, can anyone confirm this pic as being a fake?

Regards.


User currently offlineNewark777 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 9348 posts, RR: 30
Reply 11, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 13496 times:

Quoting Aa777jr (Reply 10):
The spelling of the livery on the side of the plane does look sketchy, can anyone confirm this pic as being a fake?

Well, it says "modified" right above the picture...

Harry



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User currently offlineAa777jr From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 13477 times:

Quoting Newark777 (Reply 11):
Well, it says "modified" right above the picture...

I feel sheepish.  Smile


User currently offlineFalcon84 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 13414 times:

Quoting TACAA320 (Reply 3):
CO is Boeing.

Now it is, but when the aircraft was originally ordered, CO was still operating the A300, which was a piece of junk. I think that 1. the experience CO had with that sad aircraft and 2. the fact that a Boeing man took over the reins of the company in '94, was the end, for a long time, of any Airbus product being in the CO fleet.


User currently offlineSrbmod From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 13403 times:

Blame Francisco Lorenzo for the A300s, as he plundered most of them from Eastern, and from what I have heard, EAL's a/c were pretty well trashed, the L-1011 and A300 being among the worst.

User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26194 posts, RR: 76
Reply 15, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 13339 times:

Quoting B742 (Reply 4):
Although CO previously operated the A300!

That they got from Eastern

Quoting Newark777 (Reply 5):
Fleet commonality being the main factor, wouldn't make much sense for them to be 737, 757, 767, and then A340.

Actually, they did not have 767s at the time, only DC-10s and 747s for long haul. Also, commonality would not have been an issue as the 777 does not have commonality with other Boeing aircraft

Quoting Aa777jr (Reply 10):
The spelling of the livery on the side of the plane does look sketchy, can anyone confirm this pic as being a fake?

Modified Airliner Photos is a database where people who are good with Photo Shop take airliners and put them in alternate liveries to answer "what if" questions. The best of them goes by the A.net user name Mikephotos and actually had his own site for a while

Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 13):
CO was still operating the A300, which was a piece of junk. I

It wasn't the plane's fault or Eastern's early use of them that was really the problem. The main issue with the A300 was that when it would have a tech issue, CO did not have parts at the station to fix them. They were so bad at allocating parts for the bird that some airports that saw it all the time had few if any parts for the aircraft and ones that saw it maybe once a year had loads. That meant the plane could not go anywhere. Since the only other A300 operators at the time were PanAm II (who went away rather fast) and AA (who usually had their A300s in different parts of the country, though they did fly into LAX for a while, and their's were A300-600s and not B4s like CO's), CO screwed themselves with the plane.



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User currently offlineAirlinerfreak From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 13219 times:

Quoting Aa777jr (Reply 12):
I feel sheepish

I got news for you, you are sheepish.
I think that Mr. Berthune was smart in not taking delivery on those A340's. It's great that CO is supporting and showing its support for America in buying Boeing products.


User currently offlineDeltaWings From Switzerland, joined Aug 2004, 1294 posts, RR: 17
Reply 17, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 13153 times:

Quoting N1120A (Reply 15):
though they did fly into LAX for a while, and their's were A300-600s and not B4s like CO's), CO screwed themselves with the plane.

Wait a minute- the A300-600 is actually the A300B4-600(R), so youre statement doesnt make sense there , unless you mean CO had the A300B4-100/200?


~DeltaWings



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User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26194 posts, RR: 76
Reply 18, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 13126 times:

Quoting Airlinerfreak (Reply 16):
It's great that CO is supporting and showing its support for America in buying Boeing products.

You sound like Libturdslayer there.

Quoting Airlinerfreak (Reply 16):
I think that Mr. Berthune was smart in not taking delivery on those A340's.

Gordon Bethune (no r) was an executive at Boeing, so there is no doubt where his preferences lie

Quoting DeltaWings (Reply 17):
Wait a minute- the A300-600 is actually the A300B4-600(R), so youre statement doesnt make sense there , unless you mean CO had the A300B4-100/200?

Yeah, yeah, that is what I meant. Given that the colloquial thing to say is A300-600 or AB6 and A300B4 or AB4, I assumed everyone would get that. They usually do.



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User currently offlineDutchjet From Netherlands, joined Oct 2000, 7864 posts, RR: 57
Reply 19, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 13089 times:

Quoting DeltaWings (Reply 17):

Wait a minute- the A300-600 is actually the A300B4-600(R), so youre statement doesnt make sense there , unless you mean CO had the A300B4-100/200?


~DeltaWings

CO did have the A300B4-100/200, all ex Eastern, all early build models.

CO actually ordered a mix of A333s and A343s for their route system back then, A333 with the Atlantic in mind and the A343 with the Pacific in mind - as discussed, none of these aircraft were ever delivered as the orders were cancelled in the bankruptcy proceeding. When CO got back on track and began expanding on longhaul routes, they went on their used DC10-30 buying spree (the DC10-30s were cheap and plentiful at the time) and, as stated above, under Gordon's direction, settled on an all Boeing fleet. CO has just about totally refreshed its fleet since the Texas Air days, only the 737-3T0s remain from that era.

Around the time that CO signed up for the A330/340 program, NW also signed up for the A330/340 and that order was delayed, modified, revised and extended about a million times and was finally converted into an order for the A319 plus the A330s that NW is now finally accepting delivery of. TW also ordered 10 A333 with RR engines as an L1011 replacement....that order was also delayed and revised numerous times and was converted into TW's commitment for the A318 but time ran out for TW and the A318s were never delivered.


User currently offlineKC135R From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 725 posts, RR: 4
Reply 20, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 13084 times:

Quoting N1120A (Reply 15):
Also, commonality would not have been an issue as the 777 does not have commonality with other Boeing aircraft

Except it does have a common type rating to the 764, which - of course - CO also operates.

Or does it? This website implies it does, in the Aircraft data section - but I can't (as yet) verify that to be true. I know it looks the same, intentionally, and I know the 764 is still the same type rating as previous 767's and 757's - is that all there is too it?



[Edited 2005-05-08 23:10:35]

User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26194 posts, RR: 76
Reply 21, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 13048 times:

Quoting KC135R (Reply 20):
Except it does have a common type rating to the 764, which - of course - CO also operates.

No it does not. The 777 and 767 are on different type certificates. They have similar cockpit readouts, but that does not mean they have common type ratings. If that were true, 737NGs would have the same type rating as the 777. CO flies their 757s and 767s (both -200ER and -400ER) as a common fleet because they actually do have a common type rating and can be flown by the same pilots.



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User currently offlineColumba From Germany, joined Dec 2004, 7025 posts, RR: 4
Reply 22, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 13047 times:

Quoting Airlinerfreak (Reply 16):
It's great that CO is supporting and showing its support for America in buying Boeing products.

Well then I don´t want to hear you complain if Iberia or another European carrier choose Airbus instead of Boeing.  Yeah sure
I think an airline should order the aircraft which suits its needs the best and is the best bargain.
Besides there are also a large number of American build parts in an Airbus (i.g.Avionics, engines etc...) as well as there are a lot of European parts in a Boeing.

Quoting Newark777 (Reply 5):
Not sure I would like the look, either.

I think it looks awesome.



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User currently offlineKC135R From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 725 posts, RR: 4
Reply 23, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 12999 times:

Quoting N1120A (Reply 21):
No it does not. The 777 and 767 are on different type certificates. They have similar cockpit readouts, but that does not mean they have common type ratings. If that were true, 737NGs would have the same type rating as the 777. CO flies their 757s and 767s (both -200ER and -400ER) as a common fleet because they actually do have a common type rating and can be flown by the same pilots.

Yeah, I see that now and had edited my post before you replied. The description on this website is worded funny and I misread it. Sorry!  

Inside, the 767-400ER features a 777 style advanced flightdeck with six colour multifunction displays, which can present information in the same format as earlier 767s, allowing a common type certificate, or as for the 777 and Next Generation 737s.

It shares commonality with older 767/757's but not the 737NG or 777 - but information can be presented the same I guess. At first glance, because it starts off saying "features 777 style..." I thought that is what they meant.

You know, if it did share commonality, is there any chance the 764 would have fared better? Or was the 764 too little too late no matter what?

[Edited 2005-05-08 23:10:00]

User currently offlineNewark777 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 9348 posts, RR: 30
Reply 24, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 12990 times:

Quoting Columba (Reply 22):
I think it looks awesome.

Beauty's in the eye of the beholder.  Wink

Harry



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25 Post contains images N1120A : Well there is a difference between style and substance, you really only get both on the 747
26 Avek00 : ..Problem is, the A340 cancellation came BEFORE the Great Leader Gordon Bethune arrived at the Most Wonderful Continental Airlines.[Edited 2005-05-08
27 Gg190 : Was the BAe 146 ever operated by Continental (or Continental express)? I have a drawing in a book (Different one to the one containing the 340!) of a
28 Rj111 : I think we have the same book Gg190, i forget the name but basically it has all the major airliners with a drawing and a picture. It start with the A3
29 Post contains images Gg190 : It's entitled "The Modern Civil Aircraft Guide" each aircraft has a double page spread, with a top view drawing, side view drawing and head-on drawing
30 Mdundon : Are you implying (or admitting) that some orders for Arbii are politicized? The politicization of Airbus orders was brought up in the last years of t
31 Post contains links and images N1120A : Yep, operated by Presidential for CO View Large View MediumPhoto © Bob Garrard
32 Falcon84 : They got SOME of theirs from EA. They operated their own before getting the EA birds.
33 N1120A : Actually, didn't they take EA's birds first then take on the rest of EA's order later?
34 Post contains images NWADC9 : Sounds like GKirk Continental and Northwest both ordered the A340, then Continental cancelled their order, and Northwest converted their order to A31
35 Monteycarlos : Essentially thats it. Continental had/have an understanding with Boeing to buy aircraft from them. Honestly, its not a bad strategy and I'll explain
36 Bob7273757 : All this talk!! I want to tell you. Most if not all of the pilot group was so thankful that Airbus DID NOT!! come onto our property! Pretty shitty pla
37 Post contains links and images Ha763 : People also forget that CO also cancelled orders for the 767-300 while in bankruptcy. In fact, the some of the aircraft were built and were placed wit
38 Airways6max : Continental did order the A340 at one point but cancelled their order when they hit financial troubles in the early 1990s. Since then, they have opera
39 USAF336TFS : Amazing what Photoshop can do huh?
40 Columba : I don´t know about that. I was refering to the post that I was quoting above were he said an American airline should only buy American build aircraf
41 PADSpot : I really have the same opinion you have on this topic, but is is also clear that whenever a company makes an investment over a few billion € (or $)
42 Columba : Well I know that an aviation deal always involves politics but I can´t stand the hypocrisy of some people here whining that Iberia or Lufthansa (who
43 PADSpot : You seem to be very sensitive on this topic. But before we set off an useless debate about exaggerated patriotism that certainly doesn't belong into t
44 Tsnamm : Eastern was a launch customer for the A-300...however they inherited a number of A-300's that were supposed to go to Iran Air, and these did not have
45 Mdundon : If you are referring to me, I don't know what would provoke such a foolish comment about my profile. I looked at yours and it doesn't inspire any con
46 Post contains links Dtwclipper : Eastern was not a launch customer for Airbus. To stir interest within the United States, Airbus leaders selected an American engine, built by General
47 Post contains images Columba : He was not referring to you, he meant the post I quoted above reply 16 by airlinerfreak -who is a boy of age 13-15. But actually I looked your profil
48 PADSpot : No. I was not referring to you.[Edited 2005-05-09 16:02:21]
49 Post contains images Mdundon : OK my German friends--I'll put away my white hot keyboard... Thanks for the quick correction and I retract my statement about Jan's teutonic arroganc
50 Post contains images PADSpot : No hard feelings! The thread and the quotations were a little confusing. I could have been more precise, sorry. In my last months. I am currently writ
51 Tom in NO : Back to the original topic, I picked up a small Schabak model of a CO A-340 at an IAH gift shop a few years back. Might be worth something in about 80
52 Columba : Its okay, I didn´t write that in response for that certain user but to all lot of other people here on a.net as well. Sometimes some posts here on a
53 LOT767-300ER : LMAO, are you still in Kindergarden?
54 NWADC9 : No. Northwest ordered it too.
55 Tsnamm : EA got to test them for nothing...and also got a steep discount on the ones they purchased...EA was operating the L1011 up and down the East coast la
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