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User currently offlineHamlet69 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 2744 posts, RR: 58
Posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 20243 times:

A few years ago, I ran a year-long thread covering both orders and cancellations for both Airbus and Boeing. Last year, Teahan noblely continued that tradition, only he concentrated solely on Airbus (why was that, anyway Teahan?  Wink ). I thought I might try and re-start a similar thread again.

PLEASE NOTE - this thread is intended solely for informational purposes. I will only post confirmed orders & cancellations, as well as publically announced commitments to order. Rumors will not be included.

With that in mind, let's begin:

* - exact breakdown not known at this time

Airbus (3/31/05)

Firm orders
AirAsia - 60 A320
BMED - 7 A321
China Eastern - 5 A319
CIT Leasing - 2 A320
GB Airways - 1 A320, 4 A321
G.E. Capital - 2 A330-200
Kingfisher Airlines - 3 A319, 10 A320
Northwest Airlines - 2 A330-200, 6 A330-300
Qatar Airways - 1 A330-200, 1 A330-300
Sichuan Airlines - 2 A319, 6 A320
Virgin Atlantic - 10 A340-600
Undisclosed - 1 A319


Cancellations
CIT Leasing - 2 A330-200
Swiss Air Lines - 3 A340-300


Pending
Air China - 20 A330-200
Air Europa - 10 A350-800X
China Eastern - 4 A320, 11 A321
China Southern - 5 A380-800
CSA* - 12 A32X
Iberia - 15 A318, 9 A320, 6 A321
Indian Airlines* - 43 A32X
Shenzhen Airlines - 1 A319, 3 A320
Tiger Airways - 8 A320
UPS - 10 A380-800F

Totals
Gross: 123
Net: 118
Pending: 175


Boeing (5/3/05)

Firm orders
Air France - 4 777-300ER
All Nippon - 4 777-300ER
B.B.J. - 2 737-700
COPA Airlines* - 5 737-700
First Choice - 6 787-8
FL Group - 15 737-800
GOL - 13 737-800
Icelandair - 2 787-8
Nippon Cargo - 1 747-400F
SpiceJet - 10 737-800
U.S. Air Force - 3 737-700
Unidentified* - 17 737-700, 3 737-800


Cancellations
All Nippon - 4 767-300ER
Atlas Air - 1 747-400F
Pembroke Captial - 14 717-200
United Airlines - 1 777-200ER


Pending
Air Europa - 3 737-800
Air Canada* - 18 777, 14 787
Air India - 5 777-200LR, 10 777-300ER, 20 787-8
Air France - 7 777-200F
Buraq Air - 3 737-800
C.A.S.C.* - 60 787
Continental Airlines - 10 787-8
Ethiopian Airlines - 5 787-8
Japan Air Lines* - 30 737NG, 30 787
Korean Air Lines - 10 787-8
Northwest Airlines - 18 787-8
Primaris Airlines - 20 737-800, 20 787-8
Ryanair - 70 737-800
S.A.L.E.* - 20 737NG
Vietnam Airlines - 4 787-8


Totals
Gross: 85
Net: 65
Pending: 377


Regards,

Hamlet69


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User currently offlineAtmx2000 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 4576 posts, RR: 37
Reply 1, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 20052 times:

Don't forget pending cancellations, like UPS's cancelling 37 A300Fs.

Also Ethiopian's 787 order is firm, though it is not on the website yet.

And Air France's 777F order really hasn't been officially announced, just strongly hinted at.



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User currently offlineDhefty From United States of America, joined May 2005, 599 posts, RR: 3
Reply 2, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 20036 times:

Quoting Hamlet69 (Thread starter):
UPS - 10 A380-800F

Doesn't this order go hand in hand with a cancellation of 37 A300F's? And Air Canada's B777/B787 order also, I believe, included a cancellation for 3 A340-600's.


User currently offlinePANAM_DC10 From Australia, joined Aug 2000, 4162 posts, RR: 89
Reply 3, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 20048 times:
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Hamlet69

Thanks for the excellent post. I too, would like to see such a thread maintained in the manner with which you present this one or as Teahan did in the one you refer to. Anyway with that said a question.

Is there any chance the 3 UFO 738 are those for Buraq? They were booked the same week as the Buraq order was announced.

The 17 UFO 73Gs, as of end March I saw reference to 9 being for Southwest, is this correct?

Also, Westjet announced they have converted 3 more 737-600 options on April 8th to firm orders. Boeing confirmed in a press release too.

Not sure what your thoughts are on Biman either. They announced an intention to order 4 777 and 6 A330. Government approval is now required.

Thanks again for a concise and equitable order total and it would be good to see the thread maintained.

Regards

[Edited 2005-05-09 01:32:39]


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User currently offlineAeroVodochody From Czech Republic, joined Feb 2005, 540 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 19966 times:

LOT is about to order 6 787's isn't it? So that's an order pending for Boeing.

Quoting Hamlet69 (Thread starter):
CSA* - 12 A32X

Last I've heard it was 6 A320 and 6 A319.... Any news on that? All their website says is they've christened their first two A320's.



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User currently offlineMonteycarlos From Australia, joined Mar 2005, 2107 posts, RR: 28
Reply 5, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 19948 times:

What amazed me with that orders website (and I can't find it anymore so perhaps its gone) is that the UPS cancellation of 37 A300F's in favour of the 10 A380's was portrayed as a negative number, and indeed in the Airbus tally it included the negative order of UPS!

My point: You simply cannot have a negative order! It did not show it as a net difference or anything like that, it showed it as a negative order. If an airline cancels an order in favour of another plane with less frames, you simply remove the first order and add the second one. It was a very misleading representation, and it happened on the Boeing side as well with an unspecified 737 order. They way they did it actually let to the order figure being completely incorrect!

Otherwise well done Hamlet69... good info there!



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User currently offlineAtmx2000 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 4576 posts, RR: 37
Reply 6, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 19912 times:

Quoting Monteycarlos (Reply 5):
My point: You simply cannot have a negative order! It did not show it as a net difference or anything like that, it showed it as a negative order. If an airline cancels an order in favour of another plane with less frames, you simply remove the first order and add the second one. It was a very misleading representation, and it happened on the Boeing side as well with an unspecified 737 order. They way they did it actually let to the order figure being completely incorrect!

I don't follow. If you are summarizing activity for a year, and there is a cancellation of an order from a previous year, a cancellation is a negative order in the sense that it subtracts from the backlog. On Boeing's own website, they display year-to-date orders in the same manner.

http://active.boeing.com/commercial/orders/index.cfm



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User currently offlineN60659 From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 654 posts, RR: 24
Reply 7, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 19846 times:

Hamlet69,
This is great!! I don't mean to ask for the world, but is there any way to include options and engine choices (if available) as well. Thanks.

-N60659



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User currently offlineScbriml From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2003, 12567 posts, RR: 46
Reply 8, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 19790 times:
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Quoting AeroVodochody (Reply 4):
LOT is about to order 6 787's isn't it? So that's an order pending for Boeing.

Are we counting rumours as well now? Until either the airline or the manufacturer announce it, it ain't an order.



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User currently offlineKC135TopBoom From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 12150 posts, RR: 51
Reply 9, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 19767 times:

Great post. It is difficult sometimes trying to get accurate information on what is firm, pending, and canceled.

But, I thought FedEx had 10 A-388Fs pending, and ANA had 1 B-744F as firm. Also, doesn't the US Navy still have 2 or 3 C-40As (B-737-700) on firm order and 5 options? The US Air Force does have 3 C-40Bs (B-737-800-BBJ2) on order, as you noted. I guess the C-40 orders confuse me because they are actually military aircraft, not commerical. If you included the military aircraft I think it would look like this:

Airbus;
Pending
220 A-400M-for various EU Air Forces
100 KC-330-USAF

Boeing;
Firm/Pending
2 E-767, 2 KC-767/ 1 E-767, 1 KC-767-Japan
3 KC-767/1 KC-767-Italy
No firm/10 E-10 (B-764), 100 KC-767-USAF
5 B-737-700 (Wedgetail)/2 B-737-700-Australia
2 B-737-700 (Wedgetail)/2-5 B-737-700-Turkey
1 C-17/5 C17-RAF
56 C-17/85 C-17-USAF
All C-40s are mentioned above.

I am showing the USAF 100 tankers as pending for both manufactures. I doubt the RAF will exercise their 5 C-17 options in the next batch.

This may not be a complete list.


User currently offlineDhefty From United States of America, joined May 2005, 599 posts, RR: 3
Reply 10, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 19695 times:

Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 9):
I am showing the USAF 100 tankers as pending for both manufactures.

Earth to KC135TopBoom

Its boom ,boom, boom, in a great big room

Hello? This is civil aviation.........


User currently offlinePANAM_DC10 From Australia, joined Aug 2000, 4162 posts, RR: 89
Reply 11, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 19689 times:
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Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 9):
If you included the military aircraft I think it would look like this

Not quite. Most military frames that come off the civil production lines at Boeing are booked as "Unidentified" so they actually appear as UFO. For example the final 2 737s for Australia's Wedgetail program were booked in May of 2004. So they were ordered in previous year. Same for Italy and Japan which have also ordered all their KC-767s, these have appeared as UFOs in previous years. The USAF C-40s are already booked in a previous year.

I would not count on the USAF Tanker requirement until we see which models the manufactures will pitch when the Tender re-opens. Though it's worth noting that with the MMA there should be approximately 105 737s that will be required to cover that program.

I cannot agree with listing the C-17 or the A400M as both are pure Military frames that come off a Military Production line and are not built for Commercial service so as they come from the Defense Business of both EADS and Boeing then they are not civil and should not be counted.

Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 9):
, and ANA had 1 B-744F as firm.

This is included as the 1 744 for Nippon Cargo Airlines

Quoting Monteycarlos (Reply 5):
My point: You simply cannot have a negative order! It did not show it as a net difference or anything like that, it showed it as a negative order. If an airline cancels an order in favour of another plane with less frames, you simply remove the first order and add the second one. It was a very misleading representation, and it happened on the Boeing side as well with an unspecified 737 order. They way they did it actually let to the order figure being completely incorrect!

Yes you can have a negative order. With UPS it's the truth. Airbus have lost 37 A306F orders and unless they can place them all then they have a negative order for 37 A306Fs as they had booked the purchase, in a previous year, they must book the cancellation, even if the money is going toward another order for a different Model, which gets booked as a positive. So the UPS order is actually taking 27 frames off the Airbus backlog. The same applies to the Pembroke order for 14 B717s which was cancelled. It's the only order activity recored by Boeing in the 717 this year. A negative order for 14 with reduced backlog and refunded deposit to Pembroke. Once Airbus and UPS finalise their contract Airbus will update their site.

Which 737 order do you refer to Monteycarlos? Not a single 737 has been cancelled year to date.

One more too Hamlet69 Jet Airways announced they would order 10 and lease 7 more 737-800/900. Is this a valid "announced commitment", no word from Boeing on this one yet though.

Regards



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User currently onlineToulouse From Switzerland, joined Apr 2005, 2758 posts, RR: 57
Reply 12, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 19660 times:

Quoting Hamlet69 (Thread starter):
Pending
Air China - 20 A330-200
Air Europa - 10 A350-800X
China Eastern - 4 A320, 11 A321
China Southern - 5 A380-800
CSA* - 12 A32X
Iberia - 15 A318, 9 A320, 6 A321

Excellent thread Hamlet69...well done!

As far as Iberia is concerned, on February 25th 2005 they confirmed a firm order for 15 A318, 9 A320 and 6 A321 as you stated, but they are firm not pending. At the same time Iberia took option for a further 49 aircraft from the 320 family.



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User currently offlineMonteycarlos From Australia, joined Mar 2005, 2107 posts, RR: 28
Reply 13, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 19577 times:

Quoting PANAM_DC10 (Reply 11):
Yes you can have a negative order. With UPS it's the truth. Airbus have lost 37 A306F orders and unless they can place them all then they have a negative order for 37 A306Fs as they had booked the purchase, in a previous year, they must book the cancellation, even if the money is going toward another order for a different Model, which gets booked as a positive.

You misunderstood... that not how the website I saw portrayed it... It tallied the total for the year, then had a negative order which did not belong there.

Quoting Atmx2000 (Reply 6):
I don't follow. If you are summarizing activity for a year, and there is a cancellation of an order from a previous year, a cancellation is a negative order in the sense that it subtracts from the backlog. On Boeing's own website, they display year-to-date orders in the same manner.

Yeah, thats how I understood it to work but the site I saw (and buggered if I can find it) didn't do that at all.



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User currently offlinePANAM_DC10 From Australia, joined Aug 2000, 4162 posts, RR: 89
Reply 14, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 19534 times:
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Quoting Monteycarlos (Reply 13):
You misunderstood... that not how the website I saw portrayed it... It tallied the total for the year, then had a negative order which did not belong there.

I believe you refer to this site which only goes off announced orders and does not match against what the manufacturers actually book firm for the year. If that is the site I now understand which 737 orders you're talking about and they do highlight the inconsistency of the site you mention.

They include 6 x 737 for Bavaria Leasing and 10 x 737 for Hapag-Lloyd. Boeing announced these in January 2005 and stated in their press release that both these orders had been booked previously as UFO in 2004.

If that's the site you refer too then it's not too consistent and validates all the more the need for thread such as this IMHO Big grin

Regards



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User currently offlineMonteycarlos From Australia, joined Mar 2005, 2107 posts, RR: 28
Reply 15, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 19484 times:

Quoting PANAM_DC10 (Reply 14):
I believe you refer to this site which only goes off announced orders and does not match against what the manufacturers actually book firm for the year.

LOL! I think thats the one... doesn't look the same but might have changed its appearance. I will look back through that now to try make sense of it.



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User currently offlineEha From France, joined May 2005, 211 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 19358 times:

You need to update your files, orders and deliveries for April will be out shortly.

Order are now 145

Czech order (6A319,6A320)
CIT leasing 2 A320,
Shenzen Airlines (3A319,3A320),
Undisclosed 1A319
Private customer 1A319

Deliveries 116.

E.


User currently offlineA346 From Germany, joined May 2004, 115 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 18874 times:

??? Air Europa - 10 A350-800X ????

Sorry but I have never heard of an A350-800X !? Anyone got some information on that.

regards


User currently offlineCbphoto From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 1555 posts, RR: 5
Reply 18, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 18301 times:

Maybe I missed it, but in the Boeing category, isn't there supposed to be more 787 orders, such as ANAs 50 787s???? Anyway Maybe I missed it, apologies if I did!


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User currently offlineN60659 From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 654 posts, RR: 24
Reply 19, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 18222 times:

Quoting Cbphoto (Reply 18):
Maybe I missed it, but in the Boeing category, isn't there supposed to be more 787 orders, such as ANAs 50 787s???? Anyway Maybe I missed it, apologies if I did!

I thought that order was finalized in late 2004.

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User currently offlineNYC777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 5762 posts, RR: 47
Reply 20, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 18206 times:

Quoting Cbphoto (Reply 18):
Maybe I missed it, but in the Boeing category, isn't there supposed to be more 787 orders, such as ANAs 50 787s???? Anyway Maybe I missed it, apologies if I did!

ANA was 2004. He's compiling the orders for 2005.



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User currently offlineCbphoto From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 1555 posts, RR: 5
Reply 21, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 18010 times:

Quoting NYC777 (Reply 20):

Ahhh...ok, I guess I was missing something, thanks for clearing that up for me.



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User currently offlineB742 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2005, 3768 posts, RR: 19
Reply 22, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 18001 times:

Don't forget Air Mauritius order for some more A340-300's, 3 I think it was!

Rob!


User currently offlineFriendlySkies From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 4106 posts, RR: 5
Reply 23, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 17794 times:

I thought the Air India order included 27 787s, not 20.

User currently offlineMaddy From Germany, joined Aug 2004, 164 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 17720 times:

Quoting FriendlySkies (Reply 23):
I thought the Air India order included 27 787s, not 20.

No, just 20 firm

http://www.boeing.com/news/breakingnews/2005/050426a.html


25 N60659 : 20 firm + 7 options -N60659
26 United737522 : This is probably really dumb, but what exactly does 'pending' mean? I see AC order is pending, but I thought it was official?
27 AeroVodochody : Yeah I guess it's somewhat a rumour, but please note I never said it was an order.
28 ACYWG : Thats what I was wondering as well, cause I would consider AC's order a Firm order, even though they won't start 777 deliveries until next year. Sinc
29 N60659 : I'm not sure of timelines, but many orders typically are announced well before the negotiations are final. While the decision to procure is made, dis
30 PANAM_DC10 : Yes, that covered it well. Pending is the time between official announcement and finalisation of contracts, firm on the manufacturer's books, in some
31 Dalecary : JAL has just formally signed their 737/787 contracts so they can be moved from pending to firm.
32 Post contains links PANAM_DC10 : GECAS for 6 73G and also SkyEurope for 4 73G if I read release correctly. CZ 12 73G & 33 738s as per the link below http://yahoo.reuters.com/financeQu
33 Toulouse : Yeah PANAM_DC10, I certainly think this is an interesting thread to maintain.
34 Ghost77 : Does anybody knows who's are those 2 A332s for? Ricardo APM
35 PANAM_DC10 : We've seen some further activity in terms of announcements which have been quite substantial. Here is a quick update and Airbus have still to update t
36 Hamlet69 : Sorry, been out of town for a week (probably a bad time to start thread, eh?). To answer some questions: According to ET, the order has been firmed. H
37 Post contains images Hamlet69 : I would like to thank PANAM_DC10 for keeping tabs on this thread. He did an admirable job, though I will have to make a few minor corrections to his p
38 Post contains links and images PANAM_DC10 : No problem Hamlet69 it's a good thread to keep. I believe it is 10 737-800 Direct from Boeing and 7 other to be leased. Jet's C.O.O. has confirmed thi
39 Hamlet69 : Actually, net cancellations are -21, not -20. But I see your confustion. It's the difference between how they show the ANA deal on the cover page, an
40 Post contains images Hamlet69 : I honestly think my memory is going! After checking into it a little more, there are three more pending Boeing orders I need to add. I am trying to re
41 Post contains links PANAM_DC10 : They are new orders. The 5 UFO from last year are for WJ via the Export-Import Bank for delivery in 2006. These 3 option conversions are also for del
42 PANAM_DC10 : Some further news today, Airbus have announced the following on their site, Sagawa Express 1 + 1 A306F Karafi Group 1 ACJ Air France have confirmed th
43 Atmx2000 : Ryanair order for 70 is listed as confirmed on Boeing site, and Boeing lists unindentified orders for 3 767s and 6 787s, which could be from LOT. Also
44 Hamlet69 : ***********************NEW**************************** Airbus Firm CSA Czech Airlines - 6 A319, 6 A320 CIT Leasing - 2 A320 Shenzhen Airlines - 3 A319
45 Je89_w : Very interesting thread, thanks for the info everyone!
46 WestWing : After JAL's cancellations, the only undelivered passenger 744s would be the 4 on order for PR. Correct ? Does anyone know whether PR will get their 74
47 Hamlet69 : The PR 747-400's have been 'in jeopardy' for a long time. To be perfectly frank, those aircraft will never be delivered. Which means that, barring a n
48 KL808 : 100% true. With the current financial difficulties of PR, they would most likely never take delivery of those aircrafts. I believe the deposits and m
49 Atmx2000 : AF's 5 777F orders are firm and on the Boeing site.
50 Hamlet69 : ******************NEW************************ Airbus Pending TAM - 20 A32X Totals Gross: 145 Net: 137 Pending: 189 Boeing Firm Air France - 5 777-200F
51 Bluewave 707 : Great work! I will be on the lookout @ HNL for delivery flights stopping over! Mahalo!
52 Hamlet69 : I must offer my sincerest apologies. On the previous update to this latest one, I forgot to add the 3 UFO 767 orders to Boeing's totals. That math err
53 WestWing : The Boeing website has been updated to end of May. Looks like the unidentified 747 cancellation was one of the two OZ 747-400Fs.[Edited 2005-06-03 22
54 Hamlet69 : Boeing updated their site for May, so: *******************NEW*********************** Boeing Firm Boeing Business Jets - 1 737-800BBJ Korean Air Lines
55 Ghost77 : Possible all LAN Chile B767s? BTW, does anyone knows when exactly LAN is taking delivery of their new B767s this year? Ricardo APM
56 Hamlet69 : The joint venture, China Cargo Airlines, today announced their intention to order 2 747-400Fs. This brings Boeing's totals to: Gross: 279 Net: 255 Pen
57 Tornado82 : Does anyone have this data for Embraer/Bombardier as well??
58 Hamlet69 : ****************NEW****************** Airbus Firm Air Deccan - 30 A320 China Eastern - 4 A320, 11 A321 China Southern - 5 A380 Galaxy Airlines - 1 A30
59 Sq212 : Useful thread. My first resp users as a reward. Suggest airliners.net add a section entitled "Aircraft Orders" for instant access. Cheers.
60 Hamlet69 : Ghost77, I don't have the specific scheduled days, but LAN should receive: 767-300F: July '05 767-300F: October '05 767-300ER: January '06 Hope this h
61 Ghost77 : Hey Hamlet69, Thanks a lot for your accurate information! Are these B767-300ERF's? Or non -ER? I thought all seven six on order were B767F never thou
62 Hamlet69 : I had not intended to make an update until after the Paris show was over, but at the risk of letting things run away from me, I feel I must. Therefore
63 Hamlet69 : At the moment, all 767-300F's are based on the -300ER platform. Though there is a technical difference that I guess I should be using. According to B
64 Ghost77 : Hamlet69, Once again thanks a lot for taking the time to share your accurate info! As for the rumored B777s orders from LA there are still being heard
65 Post contains links Hamlet69 : Okay, after day three, we need to correct some information: - Kingfisher did not order 15 Airbus widebodies plus 5 A380's, but including 5 A380's - Ai
66 PANAM_DC10 : That answers my question in reply #3 as the only 3 738s booked as UFO are now confirmed as AS. This means Buraq's order remains pending. Regards
67 United Airline : So who is leading now? They have just updated their orders
68 Hamlet69 : Airbus Pending ABC Aerolineas - 10 A320 TAM - 8 A350-900 (plus confirmation of 20 A320, see reply #50) IndiGo - 100 A32X* Totals Gross: 196 Net: 188 P
69 PANAM_DC10 : There are 2 737-600 pending for Westjet or did you include those in the Unidentified? Regards
70 Hamlet69 : See reply #65. Regards, Hamlet69
71 Hamlet69 : Final update (for Paris): Airbus Pending Undisclosed - 40 A32X Germanwings - 18 A319 Private - 1 A340-600 Totals Gross: 196 Net: 188 Pending: 460 Rega
72 Hamlet69 : Ghost77, Just a little update: Two more 767-300ER's are scheduled for delivery to LAN next spring/summer. One in May, one in June. Regards, Hamlet69
73 Post contains links WestWing : Boeing's weekly orders update for June 28th shows six UFO 747s. [ EDIT: sorry, noticed a thread on this already 6 Unidentified 747 Orders (by BoeingBu
74 Ghost77 : Hamlet69 Thanks a lot for the update! Simply amazing to see what LAN is doing! So they have 5 due for delivery: 767-300F: July '05 (Absa cargo) 767-30
75 Hamlet69 : Sorry about the delay in updating, but here's the new stuff: *******************NEW************************ Airbus Pending LAN - 25 mixed A318/A319 Ae
76 Hamlet69 : To my knowledge, LAN have a Total of 6 767's (3 -300ER, 3 -300FG) for delivery, including the aircraft I have already listed. In other words, they ha
77 Ikramerica : Wow. That's 605 firmed Net mainline orders for 6 months, and 889 pending orders! Talk about a good year for aviation fans! PS - Could you add the figu
78 Arcano : Shouldn't we consider the 2 343s not delivered yet? Regards )(
79 Hamlet69 : Airbus updated their orders site, so here is the new stuff: *******************NEW************************ Airbus Firm Kingfisher Airlines - 1 A319, 5
80 Hamlet69 : No. "Pending" does not mean: aircraft undelivered. It means: contracts that have yet to be confirmed. Don't confuse "pending" with "backlog." The 2 r
81 Post contains links PANAM_DC10 : Boeing Hi Hamlet, that should read EVA Air - 10 777-2007 THY - 8 737-800 THY has been confirmed by both the airline and Boeing's Turkish office. It is
82 Hamlet69 : Absolutely correct! I had completely forgotten about THY's add-on. Thanks, Hamlet69
83 Monteycarlos : From what I heard, BR is interested in the plane and probably will buy it to either complement or replace their MD-11's however from what I gathered
84 Post contains images QFA001 : Agreed... ...but let me add to the confusion. AFAIK, WS has 8 B737-600s on firm order (including the 5 UFOs) and 5 -600s pending. 3 of the 5 pending
85 QFA001 : FWIW, the 15 B737-800s that TK ordered in 2004 were actually tied back to their original deal for 26 -800s in Oct-97. Back then, TK took options on a
86 Post contains images PANAM_DC10 : Thank you, It appears that I missed the June 15th Media Release. IIRC, they were going to focus on retirement of their 732s though it appears the col
87 Hamlet69 : Actually I don't. When I got home to check if there were any cancellations (there was not, BTW), I also double-checked my figures. While the "gross"
88 PANAM_DC10 : My quote was in specific reference to BR and the 772F order. I believe your number of 10 to be correct. Regards
89 Post contains images QFA001 : Good point. When I delved into some of their fiscal data, it seemed that WS had chosen a path of lower trip cost (eg. -600 vs -700) and less offerabl
90 Hamlet69 : Okay, after checking, it appears my Airbus numbers are actually correct, but my Boeing numbers are off. Here is the complete list: Airbus Pending ABC
91 Post contains links QFA001 : Hamlet, thanks for the list. I was certainly able to make some amendments to my own list. If I may, I would like to suggest one for yours: US Airways
92 Hamlet69 : QFA001, Thank you for the breakdowns. Much appreciated. As to the US Airways A350 order, I admit I remain on the fence on that one. For one thing, tho
93 Atmx2000 : Does that airline even exist yet? Is it ever going to come to be?
94 Ikramerica : I would agree that the US A350 order only exists if the merger goes through, and that is too soon to tell. Also, it is not clear if they will replace
95 Post contains images QFA001 : I think it's an MoU rather than an LoI. However, Leahy did mention the US A350s at Paris as part of the A350 announcements. Also, I do recall a story
96 A330323X : I'm certainly not arguing with you; if it doesn't appear in the Airbus order book, that's a perfectly sound reason for me to not list it. But as for
97 Atmx2000 : Why hasn't the UPS order for A380Fs been booked yet? Kingfisher's A380 order is already on the book. Would Airbus try and delay the firming of the ord
98 Post contains images Hamlet69 : QFA001 and A330323X, Thank you both for those references. After reading through these and considering things a little more, I've decided to go ahead a
99 A330323X : So, if I'm reading this correctly (and by no means am I an accountant nor lawyer), the merged airline has the right to: a) convert 10 A350 orders back
100 Hamlet69 : *******************NEW********************* Airbus Pending Wizz Air - 12 A320 Totals Gross: 276 Net: 268 Pending: 466 Boeing Firm China Cargo Airlines
101 COEWR : Out of curiosity did CO cancel the order completely or just reduce it to 5 aircraft?
102 Hamlet69 : Not completely sure. However, to my knowledge, it hasn't even been reduced. I believe the initial down payment presented something of a problem to CO,
103 Hamlet69 : ******************NEW********************* Boeing Firm Japan Airlines - 3 767-300ER, 3 767-300F Shanghai Airlines - 2 767-300ER SkyEurope - 4 737-700
104 N60659 : I think that should be 30 737-900ER's shouldn't it? -N60659
105 Hamlet69 : As of June 30th, they were -900's (non-ER's). Of course, now that the aircraft has been launched, they will be converted to -ER's. But that does not
106 N60659 : I see your reasoning. Thanks, and sorry for the impetuousness on my part. -N60659
107 Dhefty : Lion Air was originally posted as a LOI for 60 frames, but when it became a firm order the amount was actually 30 firm + 30 options. Options are not p
108 Hamlet69 : Lion Air's LOI was for 30 -800's and 30 -900(ER)'s. The latter has now been firmed. Until I hear otherwise that the former will no longer go forward,
109 Ikramerica : I'm confused. You just updated B orders from 386 pending/463 gross to 329 pending/481 gross. This is a reduction of 849 - 810 = 39 airframes in update
110 Post contains links and images PPVRA : PR-ABD has been delivered and has a new livery: View Large View MediumPhoto © Johnny Tsang Cheers, PPVRA
111 PPVRA : Actually, I'll take that back. I cannot confirm it's been delivered, only that it will be very soon. PPVRA
112 Dhefty : [quote=Hamlet69,reply=108]Quoting Dhefty (Reply 107): Lion Air was originally posted as a LOI for 60 frames, but when it became a firm order the amoun
113 Hamlet69 : Sorry, should have been more clear. There were a variety of changes with this new update that I did not make explicit. Therefore, let's go through th
114 Ikramerica : yep. 51 taken off books, then 12 new orders/pending equals 39 phantom jets. Makes sense now. Thanks.
115 Dhefty : It looks like GOL will announce around 70 B737's (and possibly B787s)tomorrow, July 25th.
116 Ikramerica : Yikes. At 411 (-3 for AirForce), that would put the 737 order book this year above the entire order book for all models in any year in history, wouldn
117 Dhefty : The best year for any model (by any commercial manufacturer) was 440 B737's in 1996, the same year when Boeing's total orders amounted to 670, with M
118 PanAm_DC10 : GOL is for 30 737 firm + 8 options taking total orders for GOL now 60 to firm, from 30. Plus 41 options, from 33. No mention of 787. Regards
119 Post contains links N60659 : Boeing's Orders & Deliveries Site has been updated for the week of Jul 21-27 2005. The new entries are: GOL Airlines - 43 x 737 UFO 27 x 7 737 UFO 7 x
120 NYC777 : How many firm orders will Boeing have by the end of the year? My bet is for 700+. Anyone else?[Edited 2005-07-28 20:32:56]
121 N60659 : Now that would be something wouldn't it? It should read: UFO 27 x 737 Sorry for the typo. -N60659
122 N328KF : Pending: CO 2 x 777-224ER
123 Hamlet69 : Yes indeed. Here are the new additions: Boeing Firm GOL - 30 737-800 Unidentified - 2 737NG*, 3 767* Pending Continental - 2 777-200ER Totals Gross:
124 Post contains links PanAm_DC10 : Spicejet have exercised their 10 737 options to take total firm for the year to 20. This thread has the report so I guess we can add 10 737s to "pendi
125 N60659 : As of Aug 4, 2005, this is now booked as a firm order. Also the 767 column shows 6 firm for LAN and the UFO's down from 7 to 1. The changes in orders
126 Hamlet69 : ******************NEW******************** Airbus Pending AirBlue - 8 A320, 2 A330-200 Totals Gross: 276 Net: 268 Pending: 476 Boeing Firm AeroMexico -
127 N60659 : Hamlet69, Boeing announced earlier today that Turkish Airlines is exercising their options for 8 737-800s (the original order was for 15 737NGs last y
128 Hamlet69 : Yes, under pending. Despite the press release, I will not move the order from Pending to Firm/Gross until it shows up on Boeing's order website (whic
129 Hamlet69 : *****************NEW******************* Boeing Firm AeroMexico - 3 737NG* Jet Airways - 10 737-800 Turkish Airlines - 8 737-800 WestJet - 5 737NG* Tot
130 Post contains images N60659 : A few really quick observations/clarifications: (1) 10 737s for Jet Airways - was this the 737-800 order announced at the Paris Airshow in June? If so
131 Post contains images QFA001 : I think they forgot about us, this month! Oui. You got it. FWIW, 9W intends to take all six B772LRs in 2007. I'm not sure about the B773ERs. Boeing/R
132 NYC777 : yeah, what happened to the 42 787s from the Chinese airlines?
133 N60659 : Well, I guess I jumped the gun on that one. The official Boeing communique came out this afternoon. Thank you QFA001. I knew I had seen Hamlet69's ex
134 Ikramerica : My guess is, to get press for each airline, China is confirming each one over a few days, and every dot will be crossed soon for all 60, at which tim
135 Post contains links Sq212 : Hamlet69, This is new: 6x 738 order - Pegasus Aviation http://www.boeing.com/news/releases/2005/q3/nr_050811g.html Cheers
136 Post contains images Hamlet69 : N60659, QFA001 answered your points very nicely, so I won't repeat. However, good questions though, as I sometimes take things for granted that becau
137 Hamlet69 : ****************NEW******************** Airbus Firm Air China - 20 A330-200 Private - 1 A340-600 Undisclosed - 2 A319CJ Totals Gross: 299 Net: 291 Pen
138 N60659 : UPS has stated an intent to order 8 x 744F with deliveries beginning in 2007. -N60659
139 Post contains links Dhefty : Actually, UPS today states that these are firm orders, not LOI's. This brings the B747 total this year to 21, with 5 cancellations, for a net of 16. A
140 N60659 : While the UPS press release does state that this is a firm order, Hamlet69, (the starter of this thread) follows the convention that such announcemen
141 DAYflyer : Then see: beoing.com/commercial/orders There are many thing there that are not on here yet. Orders through August 9, 2005 717 737 747 767 777 787 Tot
142 Dhefty : Thank you for the clarification. I just wanted to indicate that they were not LOI's in the classical sense.
143 N60659 : Not trying to be argumentative, but could you provide specific examples of which orders on the Boeing site are not accounted for in this thread? -N60
144 N60659 : Sure, and to further corroborate your earlier statement of this being a firm order, Boeing too has issued a press release detailing this order. Depen
145 Post contains links Sq212 : Hamlet69, For your update: 24x A320 + 5x A350 - CIT Group http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=10000085&sid=a7ZjSB00WgrI Cheers
146 CV747 : Really! That battle is not over yet. I read the Pentagon might keep the KC-135 longer. Don't forget the Cargolux 747-400F which is emminent for deliv
147 Post contains links N60659 : The Boeing Orders Website has been updated for the week ending 08/16/2005. Firm orders booked this week include: (1) 6 x 737-800 for Pegasus Aviation
148 Post contains images Ikramerica : So how many more do you think WN needs to firm up before they make it public?
149 Hamlet69 : ********************NEW*********************** Airbus Pending CIT Leasing - 24 A32X*, 5 A350-800 Totals Gross: 299 Net: 291 Pending: 484 Boeing Firm P
150 N60659 : The Boeing orders website was updated today (a day later than usual). The only change was the firming of the Jul 29 announcement by ANA for 2 x 763ER
151 Hamlet69 : *****************NEW********************* Sorry about the lack of update last week. It's been one hell of a past 10 days for me. Boeing Firm All Nippo
152 FlyHoss : Did I miss the CO order for 6 737-800s (for delivery in 2006)? This thread is great, but it's getting long.
153 N60659 : Hope everything is okay. Boeing orders update for the week ending 09/06/2005 includes the following new orders: BBJ -> 5 UFO -> 16 737 (Model(s) unkn
154 KL808 : Also CZ ordered 8 A330-300's 2 A330-200's Drew
155 EI321 : This thread is excellent but I think its too long. Maybe its time to start an orders part 2??
156 Hamlet69 : 4 of the BBJ's and 1 of the UFO's were previously listed. Therefore this update includes 1 BBJ and 15 737NG's. The LOT announcement is new. However,
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