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Naming SIDs And Stars  
User currently offlineCapt.Fantastic From United States of America, joined Aug 1999, 717 posts, RR: 0
Posted (9 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days ago) and read 2847 times:

How are SIDS and STARS named? (I'm not asking about the obvious e.g. O'Hare One Departure, rather those like, for example: DTW Polar One Arrival, or Palace Two Departure.

Some airports have very interesting names for their SIDs / STARS... How do these come about?

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User currently offlineCaboclo From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 203 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (9 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days ago) and read 2839 times:

Frequently the procedure name refers to the primary initial or final fix or navaid used. While navaids' names usually have some meaning relative to local geography, fixes can be any 5 letter pronounceable word that hasn't been used elsewhere.


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User currently offlineATCT From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 2287 posts, RR: 38
Reply 2, posted (9 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days ago) and read 2827 times:

Yea like the "Wiske" Arrival into PIT is named for the WISKE intersection (as is the NESTO, GRACE, and CUTTA intersection and their respective arrival)


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User currently offlineZID From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 294 posts, RR: 4
Reply 3, posted (9 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 2815 times:

As was already stated they derive their name from the primary fix/navaid in their route. These fixes can be named for local geography (RIVRS arrival into STL), NAVAID (all of the ORD STARS), sports teams (SUNSS, COYOT, DBACK arrivals into PHX), air traffic controllers' names or family members (SWEED arrival into CVG - S. Weed), in honor of air traffic controllers that have died (DANEI arrival into DAY) or just local dominant subject matter (PONIE arrival into SDF - you know horses).

By far the greatest number - at least 80% - are named for air traffic controllers or airspace & procedures personnel and their family members.

We just had a bit of controversy at ZID over the naming of the two parallel STARS that are going to go in effect into CVG from the southeast. The controllers wanted to name them for two controllers that had recently died, but the union PAR for the area and the head of the airspace and procedures office divied up the fix names amongst themselves for members of their families.



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User currently offlineSLUAviator From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 357 posts, RR: 3
Reply 4, posted (9 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 2779 times:

Going past SIDs/STARs, the fixes on one of the localizers into MCI is something like "Enjoy KCity Style Ribs" as you fly along.

The best individual name for a fix was Sexxy which was on the ILS 14R at ORD.



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User currently offlineFalcon Flyer From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 1323 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (9 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 2768 times:

It's the ILS to 1R at MCI that has the fixes "SPICY" , "BARBQ" & "RIBBS". The ILS to 3 at ABQ has an IAF coded "BIBQU".


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User currently offlineOPNLguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (9 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 2756 times:

That would be the ILS 01R at MCI, with SPICY BARBQ RIBBS as sequential points on the approach…..

http://204.108.4.16/d-tpp/0504/00780I1R.PDF

Let it not be said that the FAA is completely humorless—check out the approach at PSM where the fixes spell out “I thought I saw a Puddy-Tat, I deed” in an homage to Sylvester the carton cat….

http://204.108.4.16/d-tpp/0504/00678R16.PDF


User currently offlineZID From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 294 posts, RR: 4
Reply 7, posted (9 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 2755 times:

Yeah, the fix names can get amusing. Two of the primary fixes on the HEHAW arrival into BNA are PICKN & GRNIN.

One of the guys upstairs thought it would be cute to call our primary crossing fix on the SWEED arrival DRESR. So over a hundred times a day we have to clear aircraft to "cross DRESR at flight level 240".



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User currently offlineAv8rPHX From United States of America, joined Mar 2003, 713 posts, RR: 9
Reply 8, posted (9 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 2713 times:

I like the SKETR2 (think mosquitos) arrival into MSP..

User currently offlineKbuf737 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 779 posts, RR: 3
Reply 9, posted (9 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 2703 times:

dont forget MINNIE ONE AND GOOFY TWO arrivals into MCO


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User currently offlineUSAFHummer From United States of America, joined May 2000, 10685 posts, RR: 53
Reply 10, posted (9 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 2685 times:

In DEN, the "RAMMS" arrival is named for the Colorado State Rams...they are in Fort Collins, and the arrival passes just a bit west of there...sadly, there is no "BUFFS" arrival, which there should be in the interest of balance and fairness  Wink

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User currently offlineOPNLguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (9 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 2681 times:

Quoting USAFHummer (Reply 10):
sadly, there is no "BUFFS" arrival, which there should be in the interest of balance and fairness

Well, there may be an alternative, sort of...

About 12-18 months ago, maybe longer, FAA changed the name of an intersection on the TRAKE arrival at STL. The old name was COORS, and I reckon the Anheuser Busch folks had some heartburn with that, hence the name change to AUGST, after August Busch, one of their old family members.

COORS hasn't since been re-used, so maybe they'll use it for something in the Golden area...  Wink


User currently offlineLaxintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 25166 posts, RR: 48
Reply 12, posted (9 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 2660 times:

The LAX HOLTZ RNAV SID was named after a Los Angeles resident and member of the Air Transport Association whom worked in liason with the FAA trying to get the implementation of RNAV departures during the early/mid 1990s.


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User currently offline10MID From Singapore, joined Aug 2004, 198 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (9 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 2648 times:

New procedure into PSP is the SBONO Arrival, with UBABE a fix on it.

I was told the STROS4 into IAH had a fix named ENRON which has since been renamed.

Quoting Caboclo (Reply 1):
fixes can be any 5 letter pronounceable word that hasn't been used elsewhere.

Some of the RNAV fixes don't roll easily off the tongue.


User currently onlineMir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 21571 posts, RR: 55
Reply 14, posted (9 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 2621 times:

Quoting OPNLguy (Reply 6):
Let it not be said that the FAA is completely humorless—check out the approach at PSM where the fixes spell out “I thought I saw a Puddy-Tat, I deed” in an homage to Sylvester the carton cat….

I remember when this was first posted at my flight school. It was quite funny.

-Mir



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User currently offlineCapt.Fantastic From United States of America, joined Aug 1999, 717 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (9 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 2576 times:

I loved hearing "Sexxy" on ORD approach / tower. Wanted to land 14L just to say I was "inside Sexxy".  Smile lol. I guess they use Leama now.

In Las Vegas there's the Tyson One arrival: Is that for Mike Tyson? Also the Luxor Two arrival.


User currently offlineJumppilot From United States of America, joined May 2005, 90 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (9 years 3 months 2 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 2508 times:

Most of the fixes are named after local stuff like sports teams, a small town or county they might be over or even a land mark such as a lake. I shot a GPS approach a couple of years ago on the east coast where the (IAF) was named CHEEZ and the (FAF) was BURGR and the GPS MAP holding fix was FRYS! I thought it was funny. All kinds of wierd names. Its important that in a specific region none of the fixes sound too closely alike, it prevents confusion over the radio.


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