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Just Announced: UA To Get Wifi By 2006  
User currently offlineFA4UA From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 812 posts, RR: 20
Posted (9 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 6688 times:

On my Onboard Updates last week they finally announced that Verizon is pulling "Jet Connect" email/IM service from the fleet and starting mid 2006 we will have WiFi onboard.

Another reason for business travellers to fly United!

FA4UA

[Edited 2005-05-09 20:15:38]


The debate continues... Starwood or Hyatt... which is better
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User currently offlineMir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 21517 posts, RR: 55
Reply 1, posted (9 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 6657 times:

Wow, wireless internet from the plane.....

Sweet! One more reason that UA is, IMHO, the best US carrier.  bigthumbsup 

Only thing is I hope that this doesn't mean that cellphones are coming to the cabin....

-Mir



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User currently offlineHiflyer From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 2167 posts, RR: 3
Reply 2, posted (9 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 6633 times:

cellphones...heck think of it..those folks that have switched to vonage and other voice over ip services are gonna have phone service up there.

User currently offlineSNATH From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 3238 posts, RR: 22
Reply 3, posted (9 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 6626 times:

If this is true, it will be indeed great news for UA and their passangers. I really hope, however, that they will also install power outlets on economy.

Tony



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User currently offlineWestWing From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 2133 posts, RR: 7
Reply 4, posted (9 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 6580 times:

Whom are UA going to use for the air-to-ground segment ?
Connexion ? ARINC/Skylink ? Someone else ?



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User currently offlineFA4UA From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 812 posts, RR: 20
Reply 5, posted (9 years 2 months 3 weeks ago) and read 6513 times:

Quoting WestWing (Reply 4):
Whom are UA going to use for the air-to-ground segment ?
Connexion ? ARINC/Skylink ? Someone else ?

The article given to all crew only referenced Verizon. I didn't know they had such technology available.

FA4UA



The debate continues... Starwood or Hyatt... which is better
User currently offlineFriendlySkies From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 4105 posts, RR: 5
Reply 6, posted (9 years 2 months 3 weeks ago) and read 6413 times:

Come on...who's gonna be the first one to say "how can UA afford this?"  Wink

User currently offlineFLY777UAL From United States of America, joined May 1999, 4512 posts, RR: 3
Reply 7, posted (9 years 2 months 3 weeks ago) and read 6398 times:

Quoting FriendlySkies (Reply 6):

lol...I was waiting for that, too!

The article did mention only Verizon, so perhaps it is a venture on their part and not that of United?

F L Y 7 7 7 U A L


User currently offlineWestWing From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 2133 posts, RR: 7
Reply 8, posted (9 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 6346 times:

The Verizon service that is going to be discontinued is basically the old [GTE] Airfone service which was designed originally for voice-calls and so uses circuit-mode ("modem emulation"). The existing system doesn't really support "internet access" as we know it.

If one puts Wi-Fi on the aircraft for "internet services", one needs a way to get the data packets from the aircraft to the ground. There are two satellite oriented ways of doing this Connexion and ARINC/Skylink but the equipment and non-recurring cost is high.

Perhaps UA is looking at some future Verizon terrestrial tower based services in CONUS using the 850MHz band for public non-safety aviation comms.



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User currently offlineSrbmod From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (9 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 6323 times:

Perhaps the airline version of DirecTV's Directway satellite broadband service? To me, that may be something that if DirecTV isn't working on they ought to look into.

User currently offlineGreasespot From Canada, joined Apr 2004, 3078 posts, RR: 20
Reply 10, posted (9 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 6296 times:

It is almost half way into 2005....You do not get a new system STC'ed in under 1 year for something this complex. They are going to have to go with somethign existing if they want it for 2006. This is a MAJOR a/c system upgrade.

GS



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User currently offlineTraveler_7 From Estonia, joined May 2000, 540 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (9 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 6272 times:

Just two questions:

1. Would would be the price? Or it will be given for free?
2. What would be the speed?


User currently offlineAa777jr From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (9 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 6258 times:

Shouldn't UA focus on getting outta BK instead of spending more money they don't have?  Confused

User currently offlineByrdluvs747 From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 2350 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (9 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 6232 times:

Quoting FriendlySkies (Reply 6):
Come on...who's gonna be the first one to say "how can UA afford this?"

LOL! I thought that before even opening the thread.



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User currently offlineAA7573E From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 475 posts, RR: 2
Reply 14, posted (9 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 6202 times:

This most certainly is not happening in 2006. The technology is in its infancy, and is not cost effective at this point, especially for a carrier heading towards its 3rd year of BK.

Yet another reason for nobody to fly UA.



See you up front!
User currently offlineFA4UA From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 812 posts, RR: 20
Reply 15, posted (9 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 6167 times:

Quoting Aa777jr (Reply 12):
Shouldn't UA focus on getting outta BK instead of spending more money they don't have?

We have to invest in our product offering to keep our business clientele happy and from straying to other airlines. With an unparalleled global route structure, an award winning mileage program, some of the most efficient and customer friendly aircraft available, and service rates improving, adding more business friendly services is just icing on the cake.

The service and installation will BEGIN in mid 2006.

FA4UA



The debate continues... Starwood or Hyatt... which is better
User currently offlineKahala777 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (9 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 6160 times:

Quoting FA4UA (Reply 15):
We have to invest in our product offering to keep our business clientele happy and from straying to other airlines

What kind of a Flight Attendant are you? United Airlines has dumped your Pension, and you are now installing WI-FI? Wow, that is a slap in the face if there ever was one!

Regards - Kahala777


User currently offlineAa777jr From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (9 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 6140 times:

Quoting Kahala777 (Reply 16):
Wow, that is a slap in the face if there ever was one!

Agreed.

Quoting FA4UA (Reply 15):
With an unparalleled global route structure, an award winning mileage program, some of the most efficient and customer friendly aircraft available, and service rates improving, adding more business friendly services is just icing on the cake.

This sounds like something sent out of a press release for all UA employees to memorize. On the list of things UA needs to do, getting wi-fi in their planes should be around #294.

Regards.


User currently offlineAvek00 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 4336 posts, RR: 19
Reply 18, posted (9 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 6110 times:

I'm not yet at the point of assuming that United will be here in 2006 - get back to me for more commentary on this topic around, say, January 1st.  Smile


Live life to the fullest.
User currently offlineCommavia From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 11419 posts, RR: 62
Reply 19, posted (9 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 6082 times:

Quoting Aa777jr (Reply 17):
On the list of things UA needs to do, getting wi-fi in their planes should be around #294.

Absolutely right. Given UA's financial state at the moment and the fact that they might be facing an all-out labor mutiny (strikes by FAs and mechanics) in the next 4-6 weeks, I don't think that Wi-Fi access, something almost no airline in the world (in other words, no UA competitor) currently offers. There is no compelling competitive reason to do this, and certainly no financial justification for it.

Quoting Avek00 (Reply 18):
I'm not yet at the point of assuming that United will be here in 2006 - get back to me for more commentary on this topic around, say, January 1st.

LOL. Sad but true, but I think UA will still be here 1/1/06.


User currently offlineKahala777 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (9 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 6066 times:

Quoting Commavia (Reply 19):
There is no compelling competitive reason to do this, and certainly no financial justification for it.

..and brilliant United Airlines management strikes again!

 Wink


Regards - Kahala777


User currently offlineMKEdude From South Korea, joined May 2005, 1011 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (9 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 6050 times:

Quoting FA4UA (Thread starter):
Another reason for business travellers to fly United!

Yet there is still no mention of putting PTV's in coach. This is precisely the reason that when traveling outside the U.S. I avoid American carriers like the plague. All the profits may be in the front of the plane, but that is no reason to treat everyone else like cargo. Y class may never be comfortable for a 10-13 hour jaunt, but there are some carriers who try, United not being one of them.

Quoting Mir (Reply 1):
Sweet! One more reason that UA is, IMHO, the best US carrier

Like being the valedictorian at summer school if you ask me!  sarcastic 



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User currently offlineKahala777 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (9 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 6017 times:

Quoting Commavia (Reply 19):
There is no compelling competitive reason to do this, and certainly no financial justification for it.

..and brilliant United Airlines management strikes again!

 Wink


Regards - Kahala777


User currently offlineKITH From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 378 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (9 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 5999 times:

As they say you have to spend money to make money. Yes this wont save the airline but it will help retain high yield pax who will go to SQ because they have wifi (I know I would). Regardless of management or your paycheck/pension, its a good forward thinking move. The money going for this wouldn't go to your pension anyways. -Matt in KITH

User currently offlineCommavia From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 11419 posts, RR: 62
Reply 24, posted (9 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 5977 times:

Quoting KITH (Reply 23):
As they say you have to spend money to make money.

Well, UA isn't making any money now, in fact they are losing it -- a lot of it! And as to "spending money to make money," you can't spend money you don't have!

Quoting KITH (Reply 23):
Yes this wont save the airline but it will help retain high yield pax who will go to SQ because they have wifi (I know I would).

I think that any passengers who must make the choice between UA and SQ on competing routes have already chosen SQ.

Quoting KITH (Reply 23):
Regardless of management or your paycheck/pension, its a good forward thinking move. The money going for this wouldn't go to your pension anyways.

I don't know if spending millions to retrofit your fleet with an untested, hardly used service when virtually none of your competitors use it constitutes a "forward thinking move." Now, exiting bankruptcy, making money again, cutting unnecessary costs and inefficiencies -- those are forward thinking moves.


25 Byrdluvs747 : Is UA actually spending any of their money on this or is an outside contractor fronting the cash and collecting the fees? If UA isn't paying for this
26 Post contains images Kahala777 : You mean cash in the Pensions, and go WI-FI. That would make United Airlines, a true all American carrier! Regards - Kahala777
27 UAalltheway : Whoo hoo!! United ROCKS!!! That's going to be sooo awesome.. and hopefully will attract more pax- preferably biz. Will this be on ALL UA (mainline) fl
28 Paul : Does that mean they will be updating the whole IFE system? Those screens in Business are really of bad quality and size. Will UA implement bigger and
29 Milemaster : All I know is that if this is true, I will switch allegiance from my 70+ segments/yr. from AA to UA without even blinking. I flew 8 segments this yea
30 Squirrel83 : Ho ware they able to upgrade their aircraft when they cant even pay for the aircraft they have?
31 FriendlySkies : How mature. Telling the UA employee how he should feel about his own job...
32 FA4UA : Exactly my point! To quote the movie "Field of Dreams": "if you build it they will come". To provide business travelers with the internet at realisti
33 Post contains images Kahala777 : To what? TED? United built Milan, and they ran! United built Dusseldorf, and they ran! United built Manila, and they ran! United built Rome, and they
34 Burnsie28 : Not at $20 an hour, and uh oh, what about Microsoft, hmm they just switched to NW completely. However, UA is a good airline, I am flying as a paying
35 FA4UA : has United announced what the fee will be? FA4UA
36 Aa777flyer : My guess is that the systems will be installed at little to no cost to UA. Think about it. It is pure revenue to Verizon and UA. Verizon would install
37 UA744Flagship : Not rumor anymore! Tague has repeatedly stated in speeches that we will be updating United Business after exit. I only hope that we would choose to t
38 Burnsie28 : Hey cool, so in 6 years well expect to see it. If they can even get there
39 Gigneil : I'm not sure Verizon can spare the 850 for this vs. their regular cellular service. Also, Verizon only owns 1900 mhz licenses in some of their market
40 ManchesterMAN : This is nothing to do with UA really. I read this morning the same service is being installed on Continental aircraft from next year and probably Delt
41 United Airline : I hope they will upgrade their Business Class and install new flatbeds. Also they should update their First Class and install PTVs on EVERY SINGLE SEA
42 Kahala777 : Correct, Lufthansa, JAL, Singapore Airlines, Malaysia Airlines, Air France, Qantas, American, Delta, Continental, and British Airways are all looking
43 Zvezda : FA4UA, welcome to my Respected Users List! If UA doesn't install WiFi, they will move more quickly out of Chapter 11 and into Chapter 7. WiFi is esse
44 Post contains images Kahala777 : Dramatic are we? Regards - Kahala777
45 Longhaulheavy : Running an airline is not a zero-sum game. Just because they install wi-fi doesn't automatically mean that someone else gets the shaft. The hope is t
46 FA4UA : I see people use JetConnect once in a while on Domestic flights. It's pretty cool to see them using the IM feature... I've been tempted on long red-e
47 WestWing : I was referring to the spectrum currently allocated under 47 CFR § 22.857 of which 1.5MHz is proposed to allocated for broadband (sic) services. Sor
48 Aa777jr : My folks are flying to NRT on UA for business and taking UA. My dad has flown UA biz forever and loves the product. I hope that UA can get outta BK q
49 Mir : Touche, but still better to be the valedictorian at summer school than the kid who finishes last. -Mir
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