WestWing From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 2125 posts, RR: 7
Reply 8, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 6296 times:
The Verizon service that is going to be discontinued is basically the old [GTE] Airfone service which was designed originally for voice-calls and so uses circuit-mode ("modem emulation"). The existing system doesn't really support "internet access" as we know it.
If one puts Wi-Fi on the aircraft for "internet services", one needs a way to get the data packets from the aircraft to the ground. There are two satellite oriented ways of doing this Connexion and ARINC/Skylink but the equipment and non-recurring cost is high.
Perhaps UA is looking at some future Verizon terrestrial tower based services in CONUS using the 850MHz band for public non-safety aviation comms.
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Greasespot From Canada, joined Apr 2004, 3076 posts, RR: 21
Reply 10, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 6246 times:
It is almost half way into 2005....You do not get a new system STC'ed in under 1 year for something this complex. They are going to have to go with somethign existing if they want it for 2006. This is a MAJOR a/c system upgrade.
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FA4UA From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 812 posts, RR: 21
Reply 15, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 6117 times:
Quoting Aa777jr (Reply 12): Shouldn't UA focus on getting outta BK instead of spending more money they don't have?
We have to invest in our product offering to keep our business clientele happy and from straying to other airlines. With an unparalleled global route structure, an award winning mileage program, some of the most efficient and customer friendly aircraft available, and service rates improving, adding more business friendly services is just icing on the cake.
The service and installation will BEGIN in mid 2006.
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Quoting FA4UA (Reply 15): With an unparalleled global route structure, an award winning mileage program, some of the most efficient and customer friendly aircraft available, and service rates improving, adding more business friendly services is just icing on the cake.
This sounds like something sent out of a press release for all UA employees to memorize. On the list of things UA needs to do, getting wi-fi in their planes should be around #294.
Commavia From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 10986 posts, RR: 62
Reply 19, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 6032 times:
Quoting Aa777jr (Reply 17): On the list of things UA needs to do, getting wi-fi in their planes should be around #294.
Absolutely right. Given UA's financial state at the moment and the fact that they might be facing an all-out labor mutiny (strikes by FAs and mechanics) in the next 4-6 weeks, I don't think that Wi-Fi access, something almost no airline in the world (in other words, no UA competitor) currently offers. There is no compelling competitive reason to do this, and certainly no financial justification for it.
Quoting Avek00 (Reply 18): I'm not yet at the point of assuming that United will be here in 2006 - get back to me for more commentary on this topic around, say, January 1st.
LOL. Sad but true, but I think UA will still be here 1/1/06.
Yet there is still no mention of putting PTV's in coach. This is precisely the reason that when traveling outside the U.S. I avoid American carriers like the plague. All the profits may be in the front of the plane, but that is no reason to treat everyone else like cargo. Y class may never be comfortable for a 10-13 hour jaunt, but there are some carriers who try, United not being one of them.
Quoting Mir (Reply 1): Sweet! One more reason that UA is, IMHO, the best US carrier
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KITH From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 377 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 5949 times:
As they say you have to spend money to make money. Yes this wont save the airline but it will help retain high yield pax who will go to SQ because they have wifi (I know I would). Regardless of management or your paycheck/pension, its a good forward thinking move. The money going for this wouldn't go to your pension anyways. -Matt in KITH
Commavia From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 10986 posts, RR: 62
Reply 24, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 5927 times:
Quoting KITH (Reply 23): As they say you have to spend money to make money.
Well, UA isn't making any money now, in fact they are losing it -- a lot of it! And as to "spending money to make money," you can't spend money you don't have!
Quoting KITH (Reply 23): Yes this wont save the airline but it will help retain high yield pax who will go to SQ because they have wifi (I know I would).
I think that any passengers who must make the choice between UA and SQ on competing routes have already chosen SQ.
Quoting KITH (Reply 23): Regardless of management or your paycheck/pension, its a good forward thinking move. The money going for this wouldn't go to your pension anyways.
I don't know if spending millions to retrofit your fleet with an untested, hardly used service when virtually none of your competitors use it constitutes a "forward thinking move." Now, exiting bankruptcy, making money again, cutting unnecessary costs and inefficiencies -- those are forward thinking moves.
: Is UA actually spending any of their money on this or is an outside contractor fronting the cash and collecting the fees? If UA isn't paying for this
: You mean cash in the Pensions, and go WI-FI. That would make United Airlines, a true all American carrier! Regards - Kahala777
: Whoo hoo!! United ROCKS!!! That's going to be sooo awesome.. and hopefully will attract more pax- preferably biz. Will this be on ALL UA (mainline) fl
: Does that mean they will be updating the whole IFE system? Those screens in Business are really of bad quality and size. Will UA implement bigger and
: All I know is that if this is true, I will switch allegiance from my 70+ segments/yr. from AA to UA without even blinking. I flew 8 segments this yea
: Ho ware they able to upgrade their aircraft when they cant even pay for the aircraft they have?
: How mature. Telling the UA employee how he should feel about his own job...
: Exactly my point! To quote the movie "Field of Dreams": "if you build it they will come". To provide business travelers with the internet at realisti
: To what? TED? United built Milan, and they ran! United built Dusseldorf, and they ran! United built Manila, and they ran! United built Rome, and they
: Not at $20 an hour, and uh oh, what about Microsoft, hmm they just switched to NW completely. However, UA is a good airline, I am flying as a paying
: has United announced what the fee will be? FA4UA
: My guess is that the systems will be installed at little to no cost to UA. Think about it. It is pure revenue to Verizon and UA. Verizon would install
: Not rumor anymore! Tague has repeatedly stated in speeches that we will be updating United Business after exit. I only hope that we would choose to t
: Hey cool, so in 6 years well expect to see it. If they can even get there
: I'm not sure Verizon can spare the 850 for this vs. their regular cellular service. Also, Verizon only owns 1900 mhz licenses in some of their market
: This is nothing to do with UA really. I read this morning the same service is being installed on Continental aircraft from next year and probably Delt
41 United Airline
: I hope they will upgrade their Business Class and install new flatbeds. Also they should update their First Class and install PTVs on EVERY SINGLE SEA
: Correct, Lufthansa, JAL, Singapore Airlines, Malaysia Airlines, Air France, Qantas, American, Delta, Continental, and British Airways are all looking
: FA4UA, welcome to my Respected Users List! If UA doesn't install WiFi, they will move more quickly out of Chapter 11 and into Chapter 7. WiFi is esse
: Dramatic are we? Regards - Kahala777
: Running an airline is not a zero-sum game. Just because they install wi-fi doesn't automatically mean that someone else gets the shaft. The hope is t
: I see people use JetConnect once in a while on Domestic flights. It's pretty cool to see them using the IM feature... I've been tempted on long red-e
: I was referring to the spectrum currently allocated under 47 CFR § 22.857 of which 1.5MHz is proposed to allocated for broadband (sic) services. Sor
: My folks are flying to NRT on UA for business and taking UA. My dad has flown UA biz forever and loves the product. I hope that UA can get outta BK q
: Touche, but still better to be the valedictorian at summer school than the kid who finishes last. -Mir