AeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 18839 posts, RR: 64 Reply 7, posted (8 years 2 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 15584 times:
Oh man, I just hope the gun-slingin' right-wingers around here don't go looking at the other cartoons linked there. There are a few of them that would give half of the flag-waving non-av crowd coronaries.
ContnlEliteCMH From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 1436 posts, RR: 50 Reply 13, posted (8 years 2 weeks ago) and read 15249 times:
Quoting DfwRevolution (Reply 12): "Dry" doesn't begin to describe a punch-line involving dead tourist.
I can always appreciate morbid humor. I just don't get this. I barely understood the Palestinian fretting over new Israeli settlers. Somebody's fretting over the airplane because it brings Jews to Israel? European technology is just a plot for the Jews to take over the Palestinians? I definitely need somebody to explain...
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Kilavoud From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 16, posted (8 years 2 weeks ago) and read 15145 times:
It's not really about aviation, but about politics and difficulties in the Arabic world.
Not easy to understand the last image regarding flight safety with the burning Concorde and the question marks around it, and the surprise of the security agent. Does it mean that what is coming from West is not always the best solution for the Arabic world ?
Garnetpalmetto From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 5244 posts, RR: 55 Reply 17, posted (8 years 2 weeks ago) and read 15113 times:
Quoting AirPortugal310 (Reply 14): I think the cartoon just shows different perspectives of the A380 to different people...
Airportugal hits the nail on the head here. In order of each "frame"
To the Egyptian, the A380 represents ??? - only one I'm not sure about
To the Palestinian it means more settlers could arrive into the disputed areas
To the Lebanese it would mean a quick end to Syrian meddling in their internal politics
To a flight safety personnel, a potential disaster
South Carolina - too small to be its own country, too big to be a mental asylum.
Wassch71 From Lebanon, joined Feb 2005, 208 posts, RR: 19 Reply 18, posted (8 years 1 week 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 15031 times:
This is not a great cartoon, in no way it should be considered representative of the long tradition of great cartoonists in the Arab world (especially in Egypt). I guess the artist wants to highlight the huge load that the A380 can carry, and uses it as a vector to carry or bring about what worries people the most in his opinion:
1-The Egyptian: hopes to get liberated from the huge load of amendments to the constitution (see the inscription on the plane) that have distorted the rule of law in his country as he prays for reform.
2-The Palestinian: fears from more expansion of the settlements and further fragmentation of the remaining non-annexed territories.
3-The Lebanese: hopes to see armies and intelligence lift-off to the other side of the border.
4-The airline security official:fears that any accident on this plane may become a major catastrophe.
As I said, this is in no way a "chef d'oeuvre". There is a long tradition of cartoonists in the Arab press, especially the Egyptian press with celebrities like Hegazi, but also Lebanese press with monuments like the late Palestinian artist Naji Al Ali. Their works have often been the only way to vent protest in a very controled media environment. It is unfair to judge their art based on the very far fetched content (even for an Arab reader) of this particular work.
Regards,
Wassch71.
Garnetpalmetto From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 5244 posts, RR: 55 Reply 19, posted (8 years 1 week 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 14947 times:
Wassch - thanks for explaining the Egyptian situation a bit more. I hadn't been following their constitutional amendment process, so wasn't aware of the situation. I'll agree the artist didn't get his meaning across well, but that's no condemnation against a good tradition of political cartoonists.
South Carolina - too small to be its own country, too big to be a mental asylum.
KC135R From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 699 posts, RR: 5 Reply 20, posted (8 years 1 week 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 14920 times:
Quoting DfwRevolution (Reply 12): Yeah... I'm sure we'd be laughing if it was a nervous Pan Am 747 cartoon with the caption "Flight 103." Shujaat has a long history of twisted humor.
Agreed, twisted humor or not, the Concorde part was a bit troubling to watch.
3201 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 23, posted (8 years 1 week 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 14833 times:
He's not saying this is what the A380 means to people...
By showing an A380 flying around, and what people's thoughts are, I think he's saying that the A380 is not what's important to people, that other, more pressing day-to-day issues in their lives are. He's using the A380 against that for one of three reasons, I'd think (and I don't necessarily agree with any of these, this is just what I'm guessing he might be saying):
A. Instead of pouring its time, money, and intelligence into solving the problems that are important to people, the world pours it into things like big airplanes, which presumably he finds less important -- so he's complaining about the allocation of resources in the world.
B. Instead of focusing on the issues that are important to people, the press is concentrating on a story about a big airplane. (Obviously the press works plenty on those other issues, since we know what they are!)
C. (And this would be the most controversial, please don't flame me, I'm just proposing something the artist might have had in mind) Instead of spending their money on an airline to attain international prestige, the few at the top of the Arab social structure who have all the $$$ might want to invest more in solving the regions problems and helping their religious, cultural, geographic brethern with the problems they face, instead of just trying to have the biggest fleet of superplanes to fly Europeans to Australia and Southeast Asia and back.
Not knowing the artist at all or his background, I can't comment on which mixture of these three is most likely, sounds like some of the rest of you are familiar with him and can.
Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 7): There are a few of them that would give half of the flag-waving non-av crowd coronaries.
are you kidding? the rampers here aren't capable of thought. those of us that get it will remain a cherished few.
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25 EDDM: This could very well be the misunderstanding of the month.
26 QR332: As Wassch71 already said, this is not a very good cartoon because of its lack of clarity - i've noticed that in Shujaat's cartoons, the point is not a
28 TheFLCowboy: There is 30 seconds of my life im never getting back.
29 NASCARAirforce: I'm surprised that being it was on Al Jazeera, they weren't teaching you how to blow it up or something knowing their reputation.
30 Babybus: Just shows you, humour isn't always cross cultural. Cheers all
31 QR332: Correction: knowing their reputation in the US, where people can't seem to understand that just because they have a different point of view than your
32 Tockeyhockey: other than the settlers bit, i don't get it. what was the deal with the flaming concorde? was the dude wondering if the a380 was going to blow up? and
33 TPASXM787: Ugh.....just missed the humor in that one
37 USAF336TFS: I don't even think you can make a comparison... Even in jest.[Edited 2005-05-10 16:39:39]
38 QR332: And you would know because you regularly watch Aljazeera, eh?
39 USAF336TFS: Actually I watch both, if you must know... Do you?
40 Tockeyhockey: you are right. you cannot compare al jazeera and fox news. al jazeera is clearly better at presenting real news, is less biased, and more respected.
43 VANGUARD737: Yea, the news company that shows videos of kidnapped workers in Iraq getting their heads chopped off and then proclaiming the killers to be heroes of
44 QR332: So you know Arabic? I must say, i'm surprised. And yes, I do watch Aljazeera, and trust me, they just report things as they are. Just because it make
45 USAF336TFS: Yawn... They have an English language version. I hadn't noticed... When you decide to LEARN other things from other cultures, as I have tried to do i
47 BA: You know...it really is humorous the heat and criticism Al Jazeera takes from BOTH sides. In the US, Al Jazeera is called a terrorist sympathizer, ter
48 STLGph: not at all. we've studied their (lack of) thought patterns.
49 Cxsjr: Of course, any of you (non-US citizens) who clicked the link to these cartoons will have immediately subscribed to the list of America's most wanted a
50 Drinkstrolley: I thought this was "Airliners.net", not "Letstalkaboutaljazeera.net" - or have I just wasted US$25.00???
51 Cxsjr: Admittedly, this thread is going a bit off the subject but, as my late father used to scream at Mary Whitehouse "there are other channels to watch"!
52 Drinkstrolley: Mind you, I thought this was a funny one in the Daily Mail recently.......... http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/liv...tml?in_page_id=1831&in_date=29040
53 Cxsjr: .... and definitely a little less taxing on the grey matter after a tedious day at work!
54 Drinkstrolley: The only that concerns me about that cartoon is that "Front End" lands first...................!!!
55 QR332: I have not watched the english Aljazeera, I only watch the Arabic version. I completley forgot they launched the English Aljazeera. So whats wrong wi
56 USAF336TFS: At least we can agree on something. And that's a good start!
57 Drinkstrolley: I don't think you're being rude at all, but whilst fully appreciating your point, you have just totally contradicted yourself in telling me I'm wrong
58 Airforum: If only the first cartoon came true.... Now that would make an sudden end to the rush hour traffic jams on the M11 motorway. http://www.cartoonstock.c
59 AeroWesty: Why? So it can get trashed and deleted? No way. Keep it in civil aviation where it belongs. If you want to start another topic in non-av to run the m
61 NASCARAirforce: Al Jazeera = Fox News Bush a Conservative? could have fooled me with his Big Government policies. The sad thing is, you are probably right in the way
62 QR332: Then let me rephrase: the discussion has become centered around politics, so it should be moved to Non-Aviation, but since its an ongioing discussion
64 AeroWesty: Then it would be appropriate for the thread to be locked and archived, not moved. If people want to debate Al Jazeera, go create a topic in non-av to
67 Drinkstrolley: What is this infatuation you have with Al-Jazeera??? I'm going to register a new domain for a birthday present for you, www.ilovealjazeera.com. You ca
68 BA767s: That wasn't worth the effort it took for me to click on the link...
70 Tockeyhockey: awesome post vanguard! is it a low blow to say that george bush is the worst president in american history and that fox news had a hand in getting hi
71 Newark777: It's not a low blow to say Fox had a hand in the election. It just shows your ignorance. Can we move this to non-av now? Harry
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