Socal From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 473 posts, RR: 0 Posted (8 years 1 week 6 days ago) and read 3057 times:
DHL's new hub at March ARB, CA (KRIV) is underway, and should be complete by early winter. It will serve as DHL's So.California's main cargo traffic center. I cant wait to see the yellow and Airborne Express planes use the 13000' runway.
RampRat74 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 1455 posts, RR: 2 Reply 1, posted (8 years 1 week 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 3025 times:
When did this happen? This is news to me. How can they have a facility on a active ARB? Why wouldn't they have chosen SBD? It's under civil control now.
Echster From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 396 posts, RR: 0 Reply 2, posted (8 years 1 week 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 2961 times:
It's supposed to be finished in September as the first flight is scheduled to touchdown at RIV on 1 October. The hub will be right next to the southern end of the runway. It'll be noticeable soon as the top of the building looks like it'll have big red and yellow stripes.
It became official about 4 weeks ago after the citizens who were suing to stop it lost a court case. They read the writing on the wall - the one that said they were liable for ALL legal expenses - and settled instead. The settlement was they would drop the lawsuit if both parties agreed to pay their own legal fees. The March JPA agreed and that is that.
N1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 25852 posts, RR: 79 Reply 4, posted (8 years 1 week 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 2890 times:
There are 2 main reasons I see as to why DHL wants to use RIV as opposed to SBD. First is that RIV has over 3000 feet more runway than SBD, though SBD's 10,001 feet should be enough for DHL on most things. Second, highway access is better at RIV, in that the airport is just off the 91 freeway, while SBD is not quite as close to the local highways.
What I don't get is why they are not going to ONT that is still way under capacity. I am guessing LAWA wanted too much in fees to have a second major cargo hub there, but still. ONT is closer to Los Angeles, has 2 long runways and would seem to still be attractive.
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Echster From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 396 posts, RR: 0 Reply 5, posted (8 years 1 week 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 2873 times:
Why RIV as opposed to ONT? Like most business decisions, it comes down to costs. Costs will be lower at RIV because the Air Force is picking up the costs of airfield operations and ATC. DHL will pick up a minute amount of airfield costs but they're not paying nearly as much as they would at ONT (in landing fees) or SBD (where they'd be picking up 50%+). Also, it's my understanding SBD needed some work done with the runway and taxiways and they wouldn't be ready as soon as DHL wanted.
One more note: RIV is next to I-215 and the 215/60 interchange is 5 miles NW of the field. The 215/60/91 interchange (which has about 18 months more of construction) is about 12 miles NW of RIV.
KC135TopBoom From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 11708 posts, RR: 52 Reply 6, posted (8 years 1 week 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 2864 times:
Is it also possible that March ARB is on the next BRAC?
San747 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 4934 posts, RR: 13 Reply 8, posted (8 years 1 week 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 2793 times:
FRA technically is a joint use airbase...the civilian airport is AKA Rhein-Main AB... In the US, I don't know off the top of my head any joint use airfields...
Quick question: What will be security/photography tolerance situation there? I'd like to go out to the base on 10/1 and take pics, but I don't want to be arrested and interrogated... If anyone can inform me of their policy, that would be great...
RampRat74 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 1455 posts, RR: 2 Reply 9, posted (8 years 1 week 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 2789 times:
Quoting N1120A (Reply 4): while SBD is not quite as close to the local highways.
SBD is minutes from I-10 and I-215. Both are major east-west, and north-south freeways. I can see where SBD would need time to repair the field though.
Echster From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 396 posts, RR: 0 Reply 11, posted (8 years 1 week 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 2749 times:
As far as the BRAC list, I think everyone will be paying attention Friday morning. I say March is not on the BRAC list because there is additional room to expand flight missions.
There are still USAF flights out of March, but March was downgraded from an active base to a reserve base during the BRAC in the mid-90s. The aircraft assigned to the airfield belong to the USAFR (KC135Rs and on August 9th, the C-17...well, that's when they get their own C17s...there will be some there from mid-June that they're borrowing from McChord) and ANG (California ANG KC135Rs and Montana ANG F16s).
Joint-Use airfields? I can't recall, but there is a special designation for them through the FAA. Two off-hand are Lawton/Fort Sill, OK and Sierra Vista/Fort Huachuca, AZ.
I can't answer the commercial or cargo flight question. All I can say is what I know...DHL will operate from there beginning in October and San Diego was studying March as one of the possibilities of flying commercial from there. Flying commercial from March probably won't happen because ONT is so close.
You shouldn't run into any hassles taking picks near March. I'd personally recommend the March Field Museum. It is located midfield, in between I-215 and the runway. Keep in mind that 95%+ of the flights land to Rwy32 (from the museum, that's right to left.)
San747 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 4934 posts, RR: 13 Reply 12, posted (8 years 1 week 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 2669 times:
Quoting Echster (Reply 11): You shouldn't run into any hassles taking picks near March. I'd personally recommend the March Field Museum. It is located midfield, in between I-215 and the runway. Keep in mind that 95%+ of the flights land to Rwy32 (from the museum, that's right to left.)
Cool, thanks! I haven't been to the museum in a while and I can sort of kill two birds here by visiting it and taking pics...
N1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 25852 posts, RR: 79 Reply 13, posted (8 years 1 week 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 2663 times:
Quoting Echster (Reply 11): Joint-Use airfields? I can't recall, but there is a special designation for them through the FAA. Two off-hand are Lawton/Fort Sill, OK and Sierra Vista/Fort Huachuca, AZ.
HNL is a joint use airfield. Honolulu International and Hickam AFB. There has been talk over the years of making NAS Pt. Mugu joint-use but that is about as likely to happen as CMA is to get commercial go ahead. FRA actually wont be a joint use field for much longer
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HPRamper From United States of America, joined May 2005, 3661 posts, RR: 8 Reply 14, posted (8 years 1 week 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 2652 times:
So is this going to be a very large DHL hub, or just a regional one? Wouldn't it make sense for DHL to have a large hub on the west coast serve the same purpose as Wilmington?
Coronado990 From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 1590 posts, RR: 2 Reply 15, posted (8 years 1 week 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 2639 times:
Quoting N1120A (Reply 4): What I don't get is why they are not going to ONT that is still way under capacity. I am guessing LAWA wanted too much in fees to have a second major cargo hub there, but still. ONT is closer to Los Angeles, has 2 long runways and would seem to still be attractive.
Because RIV is about as close as you'll get to a cargo-airport starved San Diego.
Echster From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 396 posts, RR: 0 Reply 17, posted (8 years 1 week 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 2620 times:
I'm not sure what DHL intends for the RIV site as far as how big they'd like it, although I have seen some plans and drawings. RIV is going to serve as their SoCal hub. I think they also have a hub in NoCal (Sacramento area).
By all of 12 miles, or about 10 minutes freeway time.
To where? March is about a 2 to 2.5-hour drive to San Diego and close to 60-75 minutes drive to ONT. SoCal traffic is hell, even taking the freeways all the way!
AA717driver From United States of America, joined Feb 2002, 1566 posts, RR: 14 Reply 18, posted (8 years 1 week 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 2600 times:
Coronado990 From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 1590 posts, RR: 2 Reply 19, posted (8 years 1 week 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 2599 times:
Quoting N1120A (Reply 16): By all of 12 miles, or about 10 minutes freeway time.
I count 24 miles closer from SAN-RIV then SAN-ONT (and those are 24 less city miles). However, much traffic is trucked from the SD area to LAX and RIV is much more convenient to San Diego then LAX is. That would be the traffic I would go after.
Sllevin From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 3376 posts, RR: 6 Reply 20, posted (8 years 1 week 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 2586 times:
SBD is unacceptable because of the terrain. The decision height for the ILS (Rwy 6) is, IIRC, something like 2200' AGL, and there's no instrument approach to Rwy 24 because of the same terrain (the large mountain range).
Echster From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 396 posts, RR: 0 Reply 21, posted (8 years 1 week 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 2573 times:
I count 24 miles closer from SAN-RIV then SAN-ONT (and those are 24 less city miles).
Could be. Did you use MapQuest? Don't forget driving SAN to ONT takes the 15 freeway while SAN to RIV takes the 215 freeway. RIV to ONT is the 215 to the 60 to the 15 to the 10. Actual ground distance could be more. It really doesn't matter, but the construction on the 215 and 60 is where the delays are. Anyways, I agree, SAN is the traffic to go for.
SBD is unacceptable because of the terrain. The decision height for the ILS (Rwy 6) is, IIRC, something like 2200' AGL, and there's no instrument approach to Rwy 24 because of the same terrain (the large mountain range).
Steve
ILS Rwy6 to SBD DH is 740 ft. The problem is the minimums are 700-2.5. 2.5 on an ILS is horrible! The GPS/NDB Rwy6 is almost better with mins of 1200-1.25.
Skymileman From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 24, posted (8 years 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 2501 times:
I heard that the decision was mainly based on the condition of the airport.
25 Lincoln: Screw "even taking the freeways all the way" make that "especially taking the freeways all the way"... Quite often I do my 35-mile-each-way commute e
26 Fanoftristars: I used to live in the Riverside area a few years ago, and it never took me that long to get to San Diego. I did a map quest and it's only 88 miles fr
27 MarkATL: There are many joint use fields, Colorado Springs and Charleston, SC are the first to come to mind.
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RIV is going to serve as their SoCal hub. I think they also have a hub in NoCal (Sacramento area).
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