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SQ Cancels A340-500 Options  
User currently offlineMham001 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3649 posts, RR: 5
Posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 18592 times:

http://www.singaporeair.com/saa/app/...dynamic=PressReleases/NE_2405.html

156 replies: All unread, showing first 25:
 
User currently offlineAPFPilot1985 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 18569 times:

700-200LR, here we come!

User currently offlineNirvarma From New Zealand, joined May 2005, 109 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 18492 times:

I'm sorry, I tried that link but it didn't work...and I couldn't find anything on the website regarding this...(not saying that I doubt the story)
How many options did Singapore hold for the A345?

Cheers
NV


User currently offlineBMIFlyer From UK - England, joined Feb 2004, 8810 posts, RR: 58
Reply 3, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 18476 times:

Quote:
SIA Fleet Facts

Aircraft - A340-500
Engine - Rolls Royce Trent 553
In Fleet - 5
On Order - 0
On Option - 0

Thanks

Lee

[Edited 2005-05-11 06:41:53]


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User currently offlineArkhem From Ghana, joined Jul 2004, 128 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 18440 times:

Quoting Mham001 (Thread starter):

Your link does not point to anything specific.

Quoting APFPilot1985 (Reply 1):
700-200LR, here we come!

This has been the favorite A.net rumor for how long?


User currently offlineNirvarma From New Zealand, joined May 2005, 109 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 18406 times:

Thanks Lee....
Did you get these facts from the Singapore website...if so do you know when/if this info was updated? Reason I ask is because it states that there are no options yet thread suggests that they have cancelled their options.

Cheers
NV


User currently offlineBunga777 From United States of America, joined Oct 1999, 46 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 18326 times:

I just checked the site, and it still has 5 options listed...

User currently offlineAtmx2000 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 4576 posts, RR: 37
Reply 7, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 18218 times:

Unfortunately, the Singapore site dynamicly serves the page and does not provide a way to create a static link to the news releases. But here are some recent releases that contained options data for the A345.

http://www.singaporeair.com/saa/app/...dynamic=PressReleases/NE_2405.html

Singapore Airlines : World's Largest Operator of Boeing 777s
7 May 2005
...










Aircraft TypeEngine  In FleetEN-US">¹On Firm OrderOn Option/Purchase 
B747-400 (MEGATOP)PW405627 
B777-200ER (JUBILEE)Rolls Royce Trent 8921500
B777-300 (JUBILEE)Rolls Royce Trent 8921200
B777-200 (JUBILEE)Rolls Royce Trent 8843100
B777-300ER (JUBILEE)GE90-115b01913
A340-500Rolls Royce Trent 553500
A380-800Rolls-Royce Trent 900-1015
Total  902928


http://www.singaporeair.com/saa/app/...dynamic=PressReleases/NE_3604.html

SIA A340-500 To Set Another World Record
28 June 2004
...
SIA placed an order for 10 A340-500s in 1998 -- five on firm order and five on option -- worth US$2.2 billion, including the cost of spares and spare engines. The aircraft is powered by four Rolls-Royce Trent 553 engines.



So assuming that the first release is accurate, SQ has canceled the options in sometime in the last 10 months. I don't know if the options included the ability to order the HGW A345 variants, but if they did I think it is safe to say that SQ is not ordering more A345s. Whether that means they are ordering 772LRs, or whether they don't think ultra long haul is worth their time or that no more viable routes exist, I don't know.

[Edited 2005-05-11 07:10:40]


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User currently offlineJet-lagged From United States of America, joined Mar 2002, 872 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 18203 times:

Under the Press Releases, choose this one "Singapore Airlines : World's Largest Operator of Boeing 777s"

Which says . . .
Aircraft Type Engine In Fleet¹ On Firm Order On Option/Purchase
B747-400 (MEGATOP) PW4056 27 0 0
B777-200ER (JUBILEE) Rolls Royce Trent 892 15 0 0
B777-300 (JUBILEE) Rolls Royce Trent 892 12 0 0
B777-200 (JUBILEE) Rolls Royce Trent 884 31 0 0
B777-300ER (JUBILEE) GE90-115b 0 19 13
A340-500 Rolls Royce Trent 553 5 0 0
A380-800 Rolls-Royce Trent 900 - 10 15


User currently offlineJakob77 From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2004, 210 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 18005 times:

the fleet info still shows 5 options for the 345s
but the most recent PR about being the largest 777 operator also shows a table of SQ's fleet info. it shows that the options for the 345s have now become "zero"
guess SQ won't be topping up their 345s


User currently offlineUnited Airline From Hong Kong, joined Jan 2001, 9169 posts, RR: 15
Reply 10, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 17848 times:

Go to:

http://www.singaporeair.com/saa/app/...Area=FleetInformation¤tSite=global


User currently offlineMark_D. From Canada, joined Aug 2001, 1447 posts, RR: 5
Reply 11, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 17813 times:

Probably safe to say that they're not taking the orders-- and even that they are going to order at least a half-dozen 772LRs and slough off the 345s as the new Boeings arrive.

User currently offlineZvezda From Lithuania, joined Aug 2004, 10511 posts, RR: 64
Reply 12, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 17676 times:

Quoting Mark_D. (Reply 11):
Probably safe to say that they're not taking the orders-- and even that they are going to order at least a half-dozen 772LRs and slough off the 345s as the new Boeings arrive.

The markets that SQ might serve with the B777-200LRs are SFO, LAX, ORD, and EWR. That would require a fleet of 9 or 10. SIN-GRU and SIN-EZE are conceivable, but I think unlikely.


User currently offlineMonteycarlos From Australia, joined Mar 2005, 2107 posts, RR: 28
Reply 13, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 17625 times:

Quoting Mark_D. (Reply 11):
Probably safe to say that they're not taking the orders-- and even that they are going to order at least a half-dozen 772LRs and slough off the 345s as the new Boeings arrive.

What I think would be a good idea (and I'm yet to see the figures that would justify it) would be for SQ to convert the A345's into an all-premium class layout (with no economy at all) while using the 772LR's in a two class layout and operate them (pending on slots and timing) to the same destinations. I think that could be a money spinner for them, but its only what I think and I have no figures to substantiate that!



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User currently offlineSydscott From Australia, joined Oct 2003, 3069 posts, RR: 19
Reply 14, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 17603 times:

Quoting Zvezda (Reply 12):
SIN-GRU and SIN-EZE are conceivable, but I think unlikely.

Add beyond rights from Sydney into the equation and these two would become more likely. But that doesn't require A345 range then as you could probably do it with a 744 like QF used to to Buenos Aires.

Maybe they have just found that their route to the US is more profitable with a stop to pick up passengers in Japan or other North Asian capitals en route???


User currently offlineZvezda From Lithuania, joined Aug 2004, 10511 posts, RR: 64
Reply 15, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 17584 times:

Quoting Monteycarlos (Reply 13):

What I think would be a good idea (and I'm yet to see the figures that would justify it) would be for SQ to convert the A345's into an all-premium class layout (with no economy at all) while using the 772LR's in a two class layout and operate them (pending on slots and timing) to the same destinations.

I don't think there is sufficient premium demand to justify that. Switching from A340-500 to B777-200LR will already be an increase in supply. SQ1/2 is planned to switch from the JumboJet to the WhaleJet. I fly from SIN to the US in business class several times per year and I just don't see enough demand to make your idea work.


User currently offlineJoni From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 17166 times:

This today from SIA's website:

A340-500

Engine Type: Rolls Royce Trent 553
In Fleet: 5
On Firm Order: 0
On Option: 5


User currently offlineAtmx2000 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 4576 posts, RR: 37
Reply 17, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 17083 times:

Quoting Joni (Reply 16):
This today from SIA's website:

A340-500

Engine Type: Rolls Royce Trent 553
In Fleet: 5
On Firm Order: 0
On Option: 5

Other people have already said that the website still lists the options. Whether the press release is a mistake, an indication of a future direction not yet acted on or in the process of being acted on, or the actual status of SQ's order is an open question.



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User currently offlineMonteycarlos From Australia, joined Mar 2005, 2107 posts, RR: 28
Reply 18, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 16846 times:

Quoting Zvezda (Reply 15):
I don't think there is sufficient premium demand to justify that. Switching from A340-500 to B777-200LR will already be an increase in supply. SQ1/2 is planned to switch from the JumboJet to the WhaleJet. I fly from SIN to the US in business class several times per year and I just don't see enough demand to make your idea work.

How about on other sectors? One of my lecturers is very keen on the idea of QF doing it to one or two of the older 737's on domestic Australian routes (i.e. MEL - SYD) and this will probably materialise when Ozjet commence operations.

I believe SQ could get away with it even with a plane such as the A345 but I think they would have to pick their schedule and destinations very carefully. Maybe the demand doesn't exist for it to occur on the ULH routes to the US but I think shorter-haul asian routes could be good provided there aren't too many inefficiencies in doing so. Any thoughts?



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User currently offlineBrightCedars From Belgium, joined Nov 2004, 1289 posts, RR: 2
Reply 19, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 16840 times:

In any case it would make sense to opt for the 777-200LR given the number of 777s they have in their fleet. We're talking maximum commonality (except for those bigger GE engines unfortunately) and a possible fleet based on just 3 families: the 777s, the A380s and another addition at the bottom.

Having said this, I see the smaller 787s fit more in SQ's fleet plans than the 350s that would come close to the 777-200s in size.

Don't worry, there'll be enough demand on the 2nd hand market to absorb those A340-500s (maybe Virgin?; just an idea; don't want to start a rumour).



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User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12171 posts, RR: 17
Reply 20, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 16686 times:
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SQ did say about a month ago that they are not interested in any more ultra long haul, so maybe this is why the 5 options have been cancelled. As much as heaps of us would love SQ to announce an order for B772LRs, we will have to wait a little bit longer

User currently offlineMariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 25275 posts, RR: 85
Reply 21, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 16662 times:
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Quoting 777ER (Reply 20):
As much as heaps of us would love SQ to announce an order for B772LRs,

Why? They have a perfectly adequate aircraft for their needs already.

cheers

mariner



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User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12171 posts, RR: 17
Reply 22, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 16620 times:
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Quoting Mariner (Reply 21):
Why? They have a perfectly adequate aircraft for their needs already.

Yes I know that, but heaps of a.net members just wish SQ would dump their A345 fleet like SQ dumped their A343 fleet on boeing.

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User currently offlineMariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 25275 posts, RR: 85
Reply 23, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 16583 times:
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Quoting 777ER (Reply 22):
but heaps of a.net members just wish SQ would dump their A345 fleet

Why? Is the aircraft not doing what Singapore Airlines wants it to do?

cheers

mariner



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User currently offline9V-SVC From Singapore, joined Oct 2001, 1797 posts, RR: 10
Reply 24, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 16580 times:

Pity they are getting rid such a good aircraft. Well , the Boeing 777 is just as good and it make sense because they already ordered the 772LR. I am not a big fan of flying twin jet for more then 15 hrs but since this is SQ's choice , I am happy for Boeing as a Boeing 777 fan. However , I am still a 4 engines for long haul person.


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25 Monteycarlos : Yeah. But its not the newest one on the block so maybe they think its time to update! I don't think Boeing is going to take these planes! I hear the
26 Trent900 : I'm sure we all heard this one coming. After all if Boeing are taking their 340's why would the exercise the options for them? I've always wondered wh
27 Mariner : I hear an awful lot of stuff - especially here on a.net. I like links. Once again, is the aircraft not doing what it is supposed to do? cheers marine
28 Atmx2000 : Dude, I guess your dream fleet won't be doing long haul...
29 Zvezda : The main reason SQ are expected to replace their A340-500s with B777-200LR is because the latter can operate their missions with significantly greate
30 777ER : According to SQ, yes it is, but what I'm saying and obvously you don't understand, is that heaps of a.net members wish SQ would rid of the A340 fleet
31 United Airline : Well they might wanna fly to Madrid, Chicago etc nonstop from Singapore.....
32 Mariner : Are expected to by whom? cheers mariner
33 777ER : A.net members are wanting SQ to replace their A345s, but on the other hand I can't think of anyone (non a.net members) expecting SQ to replace their
34 Intothinair : When did SQ order the 772LR. I am curious, do you know something we don't. Cheers, Konstantin G.
35 Mariner : (a) Why? (b) This a.netter doesn't. cheers mariner
36 United Airline : Wonder if we will see SQ restarting services to LAS, ORD, BRU etc.... Also HKG-TPE.
37 Post contains links Monteycarlos : This one doesn't highlight the problems but its a bit about the A345 when they ordered: http://www.airsider.net/files/2004/0604/010/sia345.htm This a
38 777ER : Since when? How am I meant to know, my brain doesn't control every a.netters thoughts.
39 Avek00 : As yet another Airbus underperformer, the A345 carries fewer passengers (SQ wanted 200+ seats, including a First class cabin) and less payload than S
40 Mariner : Um - thanks, but I'm not after anything except a straight answer. Which, it seems, no one will give me. As far as Ms. Hegemen and PlaneBusiness are co
41 Atmx2000 : Better than the A343-300 that is... One would hope that Airbus had introduced improvements in a derivative of the A343.[Edited 2005-05-11 13:14:24]
42 Monteycarlos : Mariner I completely agree... all I heard was what was on forums here. I love the A345, in fact more than the 772LR so I hope it stays in SQ colours b
43 Dutchjet : If SQ was to dispose of the A345 it would be for one reason - fleet commonality, SQ is a huge 777 operator (the largest in the world) and maintaining
44 Avek00 : There would be AT LEAST two other reasons - better performance (more payload and better range for less OEW) and superior operating economics.
45 Post contains images Mariner : Monteycarlos: I have no strong feelings either way. I prefer four engines for long haul - I'd rather fly on the 747 than the 777 any day - but that ma
46 Korg747 : Well not untill the A380 get's introduced to the fleet. From what I understand, pilots can have both A345 and A380 ratings because of similer cockpit
47 Mariner : But if that is the case, what is the need for aggressive discounting? cheers' mariner
48 DAYflyer : So much for becomming the worlds largest operator of blow dryer powered aircraft!
49 Col : SQ want first class on the EWR and LAX flights. The 345 have been configured with 1/2 the body Raffles and half Exec Economy. I couldn't see why they
50 Monteycarlos : For me that does not come into question in regards to SQ. While I acknowledge that no tangible evidence exists for the removal of the A345's from com
51 TPASXM787 : SQ is cancelling their A345 order. Trust me. I've been doing this for years. Signed, Dan Rather
52 Post contains images Jacobin777 : those aircrafts are DIRECT competitors...i.e.-ultra-long haul.........if the 777LR does everything which you mention above BETTER than the A345, then
53 Boeing Nut : Airbus A330-200 - Range with max passengers and reserves at 230t MTOW 6400nm. 787-8 - Range: 8,500 nautical miles. 787-9 - Range: 8,300 nautical mile
54 PyroGX41487 : As yet another Airbus underperformer, the A345 carries fewer passengers (SQ wanted 200+ seats, including a First class cabin) and less payload than SQ
55 B742 : That would be great, but where would VS use the 345's to? There's not really major long haul destionations except Perth? Rob!
56 Trent900 : I have a funny feeling this will be part of the deal. We must all remember not to get too worked up about this. Even though I'm a great fan of Airbus
57 PyroGX41487 : Mexicana? But I don't think those A345s will go anywhere, at least until 2010.
58 Atmx2000 : Em, dude, he said he was a four engines for long haul type of guy. None of his dream fleet planes were quads.
59 Avek00 : Because EK uses them on stage lengths that are significantly shorter than SQ's, so the shortcomings of the 345 do not pose as much of an issue. That
60 N1120A : Actually, that has been revised upward to 8000nm
61 Dutch122 : PyroGX41487 I took a look again in reply 7 from Chart. Approx a year ago (according to the JP) they were still operating some 41 B744's and only 41 B7
62 Post contains links and images ConcordeBoy : Oh boy, where do I start.... SQ has already become a GE90-11X customer... no commonality issues there. So did they when they 86ed their A343s, what's
63 Post contains images Mariner : You don't say why. Of course, I can guess, but it is hardly objective. Gosh, you post a lot of these "there have been reports". Whether they are true
64 United Airline : Oh last year they operated around 30 B 747-400s only. The number has decreased to around 30 since the SARS. Some of them never re-entered service for
65 ConcordeBoy : Care to detail how you arrived at this, rather brilliant, conclusion?
66 Avek00 : Yes you can - do some research on the web or a.net and then make your counter-arguments.
67 Dutch122 : United Airline What i am trying to say or reply 7 is that they are getting rid of the B744's with or without the SARS, and that the number of B777's i
68 Richard28 : Well to order five long haul planes, then replace them shortly after would show an error in fleet planning - i.e. why did they buy the A345's in the
69 Mariner : I did. You didn't answer. cheers mariner
70 Avek00 : Simple - acquisition costs are significantly higher for the 772LR than the 345.
71 Mariner : (i) If the aircraft is so clearly superior as you claim, then the acqusition costs should be irrelevant. The difference will be - or should be - earn
72 N60659 : Availability (earlier EIS). The A345 was available in the timeframe that SQ needed them. The 772LR will not be available for another year at the very
73 Avek00 : I won't even rip you apart over the logical errors within your post - the A345 has not completely lived up to the expectations of its operators, with
74 Avek00 : Acquisition costs are NEVER irrelevant - they are a major factor (sometimes, THE deciding factor) in aircraft buying decisions.
75 Mariner : Logic? So the reason that AC is moving to an all Boeing fleet is because of the A345? Gee. I guess "logic" can be defined differently. cheers mariner
76 ConcordeBoy : ...something about the A345 being the only launched C-market aircraft at the time SQ purchased them? The claim has yet to be tangibly proven... thoug
77 Mariner : I understand that. I am simply amused that it is taken as gospel by many on this weird thread. I also understand the reason why that is. And I wish s
78 ConcordeBoy : ...reality check though: why wouldn't it be? I could understand if this was an A340(not being anti-Airbus, just recalling history) or an all-new mode
79 Mariner : Reality check? I thought that is what I was doing. Ah, well. One tries. cheers mariner
80 ConcordeBoy : ...and fails, hence the question.
81 Post contains images Mariner : A question? Was there a question? What question? The only question I see in this entire thread is mine, which has not been answered. I am not sure ho
82 David_itl : But how are we to know that Boeing didn't deliberately understate it's capabilities and so can announce that, shock, horror, the plane does better th
83 Avek00 : It's not in Boeing's interest to significantly understate the plane's capabilities - such a practice is not conducive to landing orders. That said, B
84 ConcordeBoy : ...um, the part with the question mark after it, perhaps?
85 Post contains links OldAeroGuy : This thread Congrats To Boeing And GE On The 1 Year 773ER Anni (by BoeingBus May 11 2005 in Civil Aviation) can provide some clue as to why SQ might b
86 Mariner : Sorry, I am totally lost. I have no idea what you are talking about. I have gone over every question mark in this thread, and the only one I can find
87 Daedaeg : I know I've read that AC and VS had major problems(software glitches) with their A345's. Does anyone know if SQ had similar issues with their A345's?
88 MrComet : Using the source of information you are using, it appears as if they have also cancelled 16 777 options. If you look at their fleet link and the press
89 Avek00 : SQ has had some glitches with the 345s, but that's not the sore point - the less-than-expected payload capability is.
90 Iwok : Hear! Hear! Well said. iwok
91 Post contains images KL808 : HAHAHAHAHA LOL This forum is getting funnier each day. AVEK00 the way I see it you got out foxed on this one. Mariner 1 - 0 AVEK00 Guys this whole th
92 Post contains images Eoinnz : if i see this one more time im going to go insane - i must of read it a million times by the time i reached this part of the page - but just goes to s
93 Post contains images Jacobin777 : one can only guess Mariner, one can only guess....
94 Post contains images Mariner : One can indeed. Although I'd guess my guess is fairly accurate. I am not unaware of your other posts, in other (happier?), threads. But now what to d
95 Timetables : I thought I did hear that they only took the 345s as the 777-200LRs were not yet ready...
96 Post contains images Jacobin777 : do I make my self THAT obvious...I thought I was a bit more sly... regardless....it would be nice to see SQ dump the A345's and pick some 772-LR's...
97 Post contains images Mark_D. : Just shows how slow the av. newsdays must be, that a very "oh BTW" thread like this carries on to near-epic lengths Whatever they do I still would pre
98 Post contains images 777ER : Correct Yes, thanks. I hear Boeing every day Have you? No AC are not, Boeing long haul and Airbus short haul
99 Post contains images N60659 : Come on Mark, how long has it been since we had a "SQ will dump the A345 and buy the 772LR" thread. If you put SQ and A345 in the same sentence, what
100 Post contains images Mark_D. : N60659 -- how long has it been since we had a "SQ will dump the A345 and buy the 772LR" thread. I don't know but given the regulars around here I susp
101 Post contains images PlanesNTrains : Well half of them were responding to a reply ending in "Cheers, Mariner." And according to ATWOnline, Singapore acknowledged canceling the options. -
102 Post contains links Atmx2000 : http://www.atwonline.com/news/other.html?issueDate=5%2F12%2F2005 Singapore Airlines watered down suggestions that the lapsing of options it held for f
103 777ER : Are you asking for another of those threads N60659?
104 RayChuang : I have this feeling if SQ does phase out the A340-500 on their SIN-LAX and SIN-EWR routes the planes will likely be sold to EK, who will use them on D
105 PlanesNTrains : Well, having just bought a car on a five year loan, I'll relate it this way: My new car may be the best in it's class, but two years from now, someon
106 Mark_D. : PlanesNTrains & Atmx2000 Ah okay, thanks for the (more-substantive) update here on this. (Cheers!)[Edited 2005-05-12 08:36:39]
107 777ER : SQ would add First class to the B772LRs as SQs first class is popular on US routes
108 N1120A : Actually, wrong. The planes are not on the same type certificate, and are hence do not have a common type rating for pilots. Pilots still have to go
109 777ER : So this is Airbuses first aircraft (sice A320 was launched) that doesn't have same cockpit as other Airbus aircraft?
110 N60659 : No 777ER. Tongue firmly planted in cheek. -N60659
111 Atmx2000 : SQ may want Boeing to give it a super deal, perhaps involving a buyback of the A345s it current has in its fleet, but Boeing may have better uses for
112 Joni : And still today, SIA website reporting 5 A345-500 on option. Perhaps we can conclude then, that the error was in the press release and the topic of th
113 Post contains links Atmx2000 : Well it seems that they did confirm it to ATW: http://www.atwonline.com/news/other.html?issueDate=5%2F12%2F2005
114 Zvezda : It would certainly not show an error in fleet planning if temporary operation of the routes using a marginal aircraft until a more economical aircraf
115 Eoinnz : I LOVE IT!!!!!!!
116 Joni : Ok, there appears to be some information in the link you posted - thanks. (it uses the word "lapsed" instead of "cancelled", though)
117 777ER : SQ have 6x B744s on option, will SQ take up these options or cancel them?
118 Atmx2000 : True, but regardless it is seems clear SQ won't be adding anymore of the type, which should make Boeing happy regardless of whether SQ doesn't get 77
119 N79969 : There is no reason for SIA to get rid of the 345 yet and rush to buy 777LR just yet. They may as well hang on to them until A380 arrives late next yea
120 Avek00 : Mind you, SQ could simply order the 772LR soon and take delivery later...[Edited 2005-05-12 15:10:26]
121 Zvezda : Boeing might let them expire or might exercise them for the B747Adv. That savings would be insignificant (probably less than 1%) compared to the savi
122 Post contains images Boeing Nut : I'm waiting for Concordeboy to start doing the "told you so dance".
123 Post contains images ConcordeBoy : In due time m'boy, in due time. ...that, and my new feathered-headress isn't in yet
124 Iwok : I think there may some issue if Boeing does this. From what I understand, Airbus is refusing to service any airplanes that Boeing buys back in order
125 Atmx2000 : I thought Airbus got a black eye when they tried to do this with the Boeing-SQ A343 buyout. One would think that Airbus wouldn't try that again.
126 PhilSquares : At SQ, the CCQ is a non issue. In the long run, it really makes no difference at all. Those options are for 744F and not on the Singapore Air website
127 Post contains images Singaporegirl : philsquares, are you one of our (sq) captains? just curious .
128 777ER : SQ could still get rid of the A345s and return the pilots to their old aircraft that they could also fly and also keep then upto date with Airbus tra
129 Huawey : He is a B744 captain with SQ.
130 Monteycarlos : I might be pushing it here, but you have Airbus and Boeing experience... what would you like to see happen at SQ?
131 PhilSquares : Realistically, a fleet of 5 aircraft makes no sense. It's not economical nor is it practical. Personally, what I think will happen is the 345 will go
132 Monteycarlos : What I mentioned earlier was an idea I had of keeping the A345's as well as the 772LR's and maybe operating the 772LR's in a two class config and the
133 PhilSquares : I would be surprised if that occurred. What I keep hearing is management would like F/J and "premium" Y on the ULR flights. The demand for F/J is beyo
134 Monteycarlos : Oh, fair enough. And the 345's wouldn't be useful for other capacitous routes (i.e. SYD or MEL) even though the range capabilities of the plane are n
135 CHRISBA777ER : I wrote the credit report / business summary for SQ a few months back and i have a few comments to make here. I think the 777LR will provide commonali
136 PhilSquares : There is no ETOPS for 3-4 engined aircraft. I am really confused about what you're trying to say. The 777LR will be able to do LAX-TPE with no proble
137 Pihero : Chris, I've been waiting for months to see your latest post. Thanks Regards
138 CHRISBA777ER : Phil, I was under the impression that TPE-LAX was not possible with a twin and that you needed a quad to do it. I knew the Japan routes were ok - but
139 Avek00 : TPE-LAX is flown *today* with the SQ 772ER.
140 PhilSquares : The "normal" route from LAX-TPE is up the coast, down the Aleutian Islands, along the coast of Russia and then down over the east coast of Japan. Give
141 Post contains images CHRISBA777ER : I'm sorry it was a little wide of the mark! Thats the nice thing about this place, that aside from the politics and all that bull, you do occasionall
142 Post contains images Ari : If SQ wanted to remove their A345 from pax services could it be possible for freight conversion??Possibility??It may be a bit off but I'm 14 and don't
143 Airtropolis : This debate really reminds me of the debates that preceded the then pending SQ orders for the B777-300ER, SQ eventually ordered the -300ER despite the
144 Post contains images Jacobin777 : a few months ago, many people were writing off the 200LR, especially when BR cancelled/changed their orders.....now with PK, AC, and AI (can't remembe
145 N60659 : On Boeing's orders website, the BR order remains unchanged as of now. -N60659
146 Post contains images Jacobin777 : hmmm..interesting..can you provide me the link for it..i couldn't find it on the Boeing website.. thanks in advance..
147 CHANGYOU : Hi guys...I have no back ups for my information but I've just got back from Ewr-Sin yesterday and was speaking to an SQ captain regarding the disposal
148 Post contains images KFly : I think the analysis given by this SQ captain is pretty much spot on. SQ current products and services are comparative to the best airlines out there
149 Zvezda : There is enough premium demand on SIN-LAX/EWR to upgauge from A340-500 to B777-200LR, however, there is certainly not enough premium demand to profit
150 Post contains links N60659 : Sure. Here you go: http://active.boeing.com/commercial/...oAllModel=&ViewReportF=View+Report -N60659
151 Jacobin777 : Thanks N60659 for the link..interesting to see the who has ordered what.... would like to see some more BA orders, maybe the -300ER or 200LR..but I'm
152 Iowa744fan : From what I have read elsewhere on this forum and in an article from magazines like Av. Week. & S.T., BR has not changed or cancelled their order, bu
153 Iowa744Fan : Oh, one more thing. I will be flying SQ on Saturday from LAX-NRT-SIN (Seat on the upper deck!!! Yeah!!!) and I was hoping to go and talk to the pilots
154 Jacobin777 : yah.that was the "change" to which I was refering to.....I knew it had to do something with BR and the -200LR..... I'm sure AF are going to be waitin
155 NYC777 : Yeah, is SQ finally going to pull the trigger on the 787 order?
156 Iowa744Fan : That is the top question on my list (the -200LR being second)! I think that SQ probably has something in the works and they are one of the airlines w
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