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United 601-CHAOS Casualty?  
User currently offlineSHUPirate1 From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 3670 posts, RR: 17
Posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 3110 times:

United Flight 601, scheduled to depart Washington-National for Chicago-O'Hare at 6:00 this morning, has been cancelled for some mysterious reason not stated by United. Can somebody please confirm, deny, or question whether that is CHAOS-related?


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User currently offlineAirmale From Botswana, joined Sep 2004, 377 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 3079 times:

This is what Amadeus Reservation system has to say:
** UA - UNITED AIRLINES **
F:601/11MAY
FLT CNCLD
DCAORD/PSGR PROT - FIRAV
CK INDIVIDUAL PNRS
BAGS W/PSGRS
FX/XX/1105CT/FLT CNCLD/MECH



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User currently offlineSHUPirate1 From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 3670 posts, RR: 17
Reply 2, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 3073 times:

You would think, though, that it would make more sense to send earlier flights, and then cancel a later one when you (undoubtedly, at ORD) need that slot later in the afternoon...am I crazy?


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User currently offlineOPNLguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 2974 times:

Quoting SHUPirate1 (Reply 2):
You would think, though, that it would make more sense to send earlier flights,

When the flight is cancelled due to a "MECH"(chanical), you don't usually get to have that choice.  Wink


User currently onlineUnited1 From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 5969 posts, RR: 9
Reply 4, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 2941 times:

Flight 620 ORD-DCA was canceled on the 10th it would have overnighted at DCA and done 601 this morning.
Chuck



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User currently offlineSHUPirate1 From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 3670 posts, RR: 17
Reply 5, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 2977 times:

OPNL-There are five flights that RON at DCA, and all of them return to ORD in the morning. Therefore, there are four other aircraft that could get out before you have to cancel a flight. Now, anybody planning to connect to MLI, MBS, BNA, FWA, SDF, SBN, ATW, CID, LEX, IND, STL, LAN, TVC, LNK, SPI, SFO, LAX, PDX, OKC, SNA, DEN, TUL, MEM, MSP, DFW, FSD, ICT, SAN, IAH, MCI, SEA, PHX, SGF, OMA, or DSM from that 6:00 AM flight from DCA is absolutely screwed, and forced to wait until the next flight...


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User currently offlineLaxintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 25436 posts, RR: 49
Reply 6, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 2895 times:

There is no CHAOS.

Refer to AFA web site.
http://www.unitedafa.org/mec/president/ltrs/details.asp?ID=125



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User currently offlineTCFC424 From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 517 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 2863 times:

Ummm...I looked at the link and it says "You have overwhelmingly authorized the use of CHAOS" and in another section says "CHAOS will be used to remove this leadership" -paraphrased cause I am lazy...

User currently offlineLaxintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 25436 posts, RR: 49
Reply 8, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 2738 times:

It says towards the bottom

"It should be clear that we are not on strike at this time"


These UA unions finds themselves in a difficult legal spot. The court specifically mentioned that the termination of the pension plans are not grounds for any wildcat work stoppages or enmass labor actions. Thus they must thread very lightly while it considers what if any legal recourse they might have.

The next interesting issue will be todays 1113 hearing with AMFA and the IAM regarding the permanent imposition of the temporary cuts they have been working under for the last few months as they have failed to come to consentual agreement with the company.



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User currently offlineCommavia From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 11641 posts, RR: 61
Reply 9, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 2730 times:

I think it is now clear that AFA was a lot more bark than bite. They got themselves back into a corner where they either had to strike or lose face, and they obviously chose not to strike. They may have saved their company, but they probably lost at least some of their credibility.

User currently offlineAirEMS From United States of America, joined May 2004, 684 posts, RR: 3
Reply 10, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 2692 times:

what exactly is CHAOS?



-Carl



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User currently offlineSHUPirate1 From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 3670 posts, RR: 17
Reply 11, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 2679 times:

Quoting AirEMS (Reply 10):
what exactly is CHAOS?

Create Havoc Around Our (sic) System...it describes AFA's strike pattern, to randomly target flights without warning, to prevent United from being able to hire scabs, strikebreakers, replacement workers, whatever you want to call them.



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User currently offlineAirEMS From United States of America, joined May 2004, 684 posts, RR: 3
Reply 12, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 2299 times:

Thanks SHUPirate1 for the information


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User currently offlineTu154 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 375 posts, RR: 4
Reply 13, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days ago) and read 2128 times:

Quoting Commavia (Reply 9):
think it is now clear that AFA was a lot more bark than bite. They got themselves back into a corner where they either had to strike or lose face, and they obviously chose not to strike. They may have saved their company, but they probably lost at least some of their credibility

AMEN!!



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User currently offlineScottB From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 6766 posts, RR: 32
Reply 14, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days ago) and read 2057 times:

Quoting SHUPirate1 (Reply 5):
OPNL-There are five flights that RON at DCA, and all of them return to ORD in the morning. Therefore, there are four other aircraft that could get out before you have to cancel a flight.

The issue is not just the aircraft, but the crews and bookings as well. If the 0600 flight was the most lightly booked, they inconvenience the fewest passengers.


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