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BA Plane Evacuated After Arabic Shouts  
User currently offlineBMIFlyer From UK - England, joined Feb 2004, 8810 posts, RR: 58
Posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 9642 times:

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Passengers on a BA flight were evacuated after a man began shouting in Arabic as the plane prepared for take-off...

http://www.itv.com/news/britain_167734.html

What gives??  Sad


Lee


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User currently offlineRedFlyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 4329 posts, RR: 28
Reply 1, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 9595 times:

Sounds like a nervous flyer that was simply praying loud. Unfortunately, in this environment someone should have told him to keep his mouth shut or at least his voice down.


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User currently offlineRTFM From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2004, 425 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 9281 times:

Nice to see that they got an up to date photo for the item....

Wrong a/c type, old livery....  sarcastic 


User currently offlineJacobin777 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 14968 posts, RR: 59
Reply 3, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 9187 times:

maybe they couldn't speak english....i've been on a few bumpy flights where people where screaming "jesus save us"(which, not being of the christian faith, really didn't mean too much to me)....so it works both ways....

agree, should have been probably a bit more quite.....oh well..as long as all were safe...



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User currently offlineB742 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2005, 3768 posts, RR: 19
Reply 4, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 9139 times:

Not such a good day for LHR!

A KLM 767-300 engine fire, CX A340-300 emergency landing and now a BA a/c was evacuated!

What was the aircraft, a 767?

Rob!


User currently offlineShamrock_747 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 9050 times:

"As a security precaution all customers were then asked to leave the aircraft so a thorough search of the cabin could take place to ensure the offloaded people left nothing on board,"

Hardly sounds like an evacuation. Typical tabloid media (in this case a trashy TV channel) sensationalism exaggerating what actually occurred.


User currently offlineCapt.Fantastic From United States of America, joined Aug 1999, 724 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 8969 times:

They evacuated because a passenger was shooting?

Ridiculous if you ask me.

What is more frightening hearing someone yell or an aircraft evacuation?

Hmmm ...

Needless drama


User currently offlineBritPilot777 From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2004, 1075 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 8926 times:

Quoting Capt.Fantastic (Reply 6):
They evacuated because a passenger was shooting?

Ridiculous if you ask me.

What is more frightening hearing someone yell or an aircraft evacuation?

Hmmm ...

Needless drama

Dude, you need to remember that this also occured during the Hijackings of the aircraft used in the 9/11 attacks. If I was on an aircraft and I heard someone shouting Islamic prayers, I would be pretty F*&king scared as well, and Im sure 99% of people would agree with me!



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User currently offlineYyz717 From Canada, joined Sep 2001, 16281 posts, RR: 56
Reply 8, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 8878 times:

The person shouting in Arabic should be given cultural sensitivity training. He/she needs a quick lesson on 9-11 and its effect on the Western psyche. Shame on him/her.

Hopefully BA will ban him/her from flying again until he/she has taken cultural sensitivity training and he/she is able to conduct themselves appropriately on a Western airliner.

I also hope BA will fine him/her the costs of the evacuation.



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User currently offlineUdo From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 8816 times:

Quoting Yyz717 (Reply 8):
The person shouting in Arabic should be given cultural sensitivity training. He/she needs a quick lesson on 9-11 and its effect on the Western psyche. Shame on him/her.

Are you joking? The man probably had a panic attack or whatever. As long as it's not clear what exactly his motives were you should not draw early conclusions.

Quoting Yyz717 (Reply 8):
Hopefully BA will ban him/her from flying again until he/she has taken cultural sensitivity training and he/she is able to conduct themselves appropriately on a Western airliner.

Cultural sensitivity training? Where? Guantanamo?
You should attend a seminar dealing with respect and tolerance towards other cultures...


Regards
Udo


User currently offlineScbriml From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2003, 12568 posts, RR: 46
Reply 10, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 8777 times:
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Quoting Capt.Fantastic (Reply 6):
They evacuated because a passenger was shooting?

Wouldn't you want to evacuate if someone was shooting?  wink 



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User currently offlineGothamSpotter From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 586 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 8752 times:

If the public had confidence that passengers were being profiled and screened properly on the ground, incidents like this wouldn't happen.

User currently offlineJacobin777 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 14968 posts, RR: 59
Reply 12, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 8750 times:

Quoting BritPilot777 (Reply 7):
If I was on an aircraft and I heard someone shouting Islamic prayers, I would be pretty F*&king scared as well, and Im sure 99% of people would agree with me!

being a muslim, I understand why people would be freaked out..what I would do is go to the people who were saying their prayers out lout and explain to them the gravity of the situation....hopefully I would be able to make a difference..



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User currently offlineBritPilot777 From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2004, 1075 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 8695 times:

Jacobin777, I have nothing what so ever against Moslims, some of my closest friends are of that faith, however, we must remember, it was not a Christian, nor Jew, nor Hindu who flew 3 Jet liners into buildings.

If someone was saying prayers in the middle of the street no problem, on a bus, no problem, on a plane with 200 other passengers??



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User currently offlineAirFrnt From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 2826 posts, RR: 42
Reply 14, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 8657 times:

Quoting Udo (Reply 9):

Are you joking? The man probably had a panic attack or whatever. As long as it's not clear what exactly his motives were you should not draw early conclusions.



Quoting Udo (Reply 9):

Cultural sensitivity training? Where? Guantanamo?
You should attend a seminar dealing with respect and tolerance towards other cultures..

Last I checked it was 19 Arab guys who flew a plane into a American skyscraper, not the other way around.

And yes, as someone who has many muslim (in this case Bangladeshi and Pakistani, not arab) friends, we should be sensitive. But if the story is as reported, this guy is a absolute moron.


User currently offlinePanHAM From Germany, joined May 2005, 9389 posts, RR: 29
Reply 15, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 8639 times:

Quoting Udo (Reply 9):



Quoting Udo (Reply 9):

Cultural sensitivity training? Where? Guantanamo?
You should attend a seminar dealing with respect and tolerance towards other cultures...


Regards
Udo

Hey Udo flach halten - OK? we are in an Anglo environment here and some of the guys think a bit different than the average German voter of the Greens.

I mean it's OK and nice that you step in for that person who created this havoc on the BA plane, but my opinion really is that an airplane should not be mistaken with a football stadium or a Mallorca Tavern either and no one of the other passengers asked to be entertained by a loud voice screaming something which scares the sh... out of them, knowing what happened 9/11. By the way, some Germans deserve cultural training as well, especially when they are overseas or try to slap their political opinions on others.



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User currently offlineYyz717 From Canada, joined Sep 2001, 16281 posts, RR: 56
Reply 16, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 8639 times:

Quoting Udo (Reply 9):
Quoting Yyz717 (Reply 8):
The person shouting in Arabic should be given cultural sensitivity training. He/she needs a quick lesson on 9-11 and its effect on the Western psyche. Shame on him/her.


Are you joking? The man probably had a panic attack or whatever. As long as it's not clear what exactly his motives were you should not draw early conclusions.

A panic attack is one thing. Shouting in Arabic on a Western airline is NOT COOL. Those other Western passengers were rightfully terrified. His lack of cultural sensitivity to those Westerners is shocking and ignorant.

Quoting Udo (Reply 9):
Cultural sensitivity training? Where? Guantanamo?

Why not London since he seems to transit to/thru there?

Quoting Udo (Reply 9):
You should attend a seminar dealing with respect and tolerance towards other cultures...

Haha....so says a German. The irony is too funny.



Panam, TWA, Ansett, Eastern.......AC next? Might be good for Canada.
User currently offlineAhlfors From Canada, joined Oct 2000, 1347 posts, RR: 4
Reply 17, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 8619 times:

I have flown so many times into Latin America (SJU especially) and often there are people praying very loudly in Spanish. Why? I suppose they want to have a safe flight. And I've never had a plane evacuated because of that.
So I don't see any problem with shouting Allahu Akbar (God is great) if you want God to make your flight safe. Muslims around the world pray five times a day and most of them are very peaceful. It is culturally insensitive to let the very few extremists give a bad name to the vast majority of Muslims that are peace loving.
Treating the adherents of one religion differently than those of another is purely discriminatory. We Westerners are the ones who need to be taught some lessons in cultural insensitivity, as we expect every Muslim who acts a bit weird in our view to be a terrorist. Let us not forget that there are extremists of every religion that have at one time or another blown up something.


User currently offlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17510 posts, RR: 45
Reply 18, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 8564 times:

"You should attend a seminar dealing with respect and tolerance towards other cultures.."

Given that the overwhelming vast majority of air terrorism is perpetrated by Muslims, including 9/11, it's not unexpected that people are frightened when anyone starts shouting in Arabic on an aircraft.



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User currently offlineJacobin777 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 14968 posts, RR: 59
Reply 19, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 8526 times:

BritPilot777....if you noticed, I wasn't disagreeing with you.....but maybe the travelers didn't even speak english, and they didn't know of it would affect the other pax...i see that with lots of people....

as i said, as a Muslim, I would try to resolve the problem as best as I could, especially if those people spoke urdu/arabic..

Ahlfors..welcome to my RUL... Wink

Quoting Yyz717 (Reply 16):
A panic attack is one thing. Shouting in Arabic on a Western airline is NOT COOL.

As UDO stated, do you know the facts of the situation? Maybe the only language which the pax spoke was arabic.... Are you a clinical psychologist/psychiatrist? Maybe thats how they dealt with their panic attack...which indeed is a possibility (clinica/medical data/journals show this to be true)

UDO..whats going on here, we seem to be agreeing a bit more if you ask me...quite scary  scratchchin   scared 



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User currently offlineACDC8 From Canada, joined Mar 2005, 7642 posts, RR: 35
Reply 20, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 8443 times:

Quoting BritPilot777 (Reply 7):
Dude, you need to remember that this also occured during the Hijackings of the aircraft used in the 9/11 attacks. If I was on an aircraft and I heard someone shouting Islamic prayers, I would be pretty F*&king scared as well, and Im sure 99% of people would agree with me!

Only 7 replies until someone mentiones 9/11, not bad. Well, I'm one of the 1% that it doesn't freak out when someone starts shouting, regardless the language.

Total over-reaction if you ask me. Now, if he'd have gotten out of his seat and started running up and down the aisles, then you have grounds to take action.



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User currently offlineCapt.Fantastic From United States of America, joined Aug 1999, 724 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 8395 times:

Did the crew take a moment to assess the situation? I think if they had, any uncertainty or concern would have been resolved. I think the crew paniced much too quickly - not professional. The evacuation posed more of a threat to passengers than some scared passenger This was a an innocuous occurrence and should not have warranted an evacuation. I think BA should investigate and determine if the crew acted properly. One should not initiate an evacuation simply because you freak-out when Arabic is spoken on an International flight

User currently offlineTrintocan From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2000, 3238 posts, RR: 4
Reply 22, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 8338 times:

This is exactly the sort of topic that unearths everybody's prejudices. If the person did have a panic attack then this sort of action is unwarranted - if he were praying, ditto. Without knowing all that transpired, why consider the man guilty until proven innocent? I always thought the West meant innocent until proven guilty.

If he ran up the corridor, now that is a different matter. I agree with you ACDC8. That I have experienced once last year. As the plane landed 1 of the passengers jumped out of his seat and ran to the bathrooms at the rear - he was promptly sent back to his seat and sternly told off by the crew after the plane parked at the gate, even so far as being threatened with a ban from the airline for endangering everybody onboard.

This BA episode was over the top but in today's environment of paranoia, anything seems possible, sadly.

TrintoCan.



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User currently offlineColumbia107 From Gibraltar, joined Aug 2004, 358 posts, RR: 2
Reply 23, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 8329 times:

Quoting Udo (Reply 9):

Cultural sensitivity training? Where? Guantanamo?
You should attend a seminar dealing with respect and tolerance towards other cultures...

Come on Udo. Regrettably, terrorists emanating from the Arab world do not tolerate Westerners but we have to. And I can say this with some authority as I have very good friends who are Muslims and they are concerned about the actions of terrorism carried out by their fellow Muslims.

When dealing with different cultures, Gibraltarians are an example to the rest of the world. In less than 7 square miles, Christians, Jews, Hindus and Muslims live peacefully expressing religious tolerance.



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User currently offlineJacobin777 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 14968 posts, RR: 59
Reply 24, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 8293 times:

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 18):
Given that the overwhelming vast majority of air terrorism is perpetrated by Muslims, including 9/11, it's not unexpected that people are frightened when anyone starts shouting in Arabic on an aircraft.

your comments are nothing but frivilous drivel, bodering on racism and prejudism

....based on your analogy, the next time an african american walks down the street, I should be concerned..... sarcastic 

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25 KLMA330 : Alot of people are nervous to begin with on taxi during take off.. hell, i'm an aviation enthusiast, and still get just a tad shaky before the metal t
26 Ahlfors : Jacobin777, You know, you make a good point about blacks in the US criminal system. However, the case of being scared of being scared of Muslims is in
27 Post contains images ContnlEliteCMH : Funny funny! Did anybody shoot back?
28 Jacobin777 : Ahlfors, thats why I brought the topic up..the whole concept is ABSURD...there are 50,000 car related deaths in the US alone (don't know the rate in E
29 Scott0305 : Pretty much all media tends to sensationalise these things and the media is notoriously bad at getting the detail right when it comes to aviation. Bu
30 Post contains images Lazyshaun : Nice to see that they got an up to date photo for the item.... Wrong a/c type, old livery.... You took the words right out my mouth, RTFM!!
31 Post contains images MaverickM11 : "your comments are nothing but frivilous drivel, bodering on racism and prejudism" You can't deal with the FACT that most air terrorism is perpetrated
32 RedDragon : It was in Larnaca... To echo Shamrock_747 in reply 5, it really doesn't sound like an evacuation! Maybe not quite the extreme of "trashy", but ITV Ne
33 Post contains images Udo : I didn't deny that. All I said was to be careful in pointing fingers at the guy as long as we don't know all the facts. Probably he was in panic (sim
34 RedFlyer : Angry, not scared. And I'd be inclined to take action. But I agree with your point. That deserves an add to my RU list! Why shout it? Especially when
35 MaverickM11 : "Now, if he'd have gotten out of his seat and started running up and down the aisles, then you have grounds to take action." The shoe bomber never got
36 ConcordeBoy : ...how convenient that you forget to mention "based on recent history" to that as well though.
37 Ahlfors : I do agree that shouting in a plane is something that is not particularly culturally accepted, but I do not think someone shouting "Allahu Akbar" sho
38 Aa757first : I seriously doubt the aircraft was evacuated. I would say a rapid exit took place. That would mean the aircraft pulled off the runway and have airstai
39 CORULEZ05 : Hey, I would be the first one off that plane if this happened to me. I am definetly in favor of the actions BA took. An Arab man shouting arabic nonse
40 Udo : But the shoe bomber didn't shout, right? Indeed, where draw a line? What would you recommend then? Ban the use of Arabic on board of airliners? There
41 Pilotaydin : great, another bs post by certain ppl on here towards the fact that we need to be sensitive before we yell in arabic...how much more can we diss and p
42 Kevi747 : I read the article and it doesn't sound like a full evacuation using slides. The PAX were more likely asked to deplane via a rampstand or jetbridge a
43 AsstChiefMark : Maybe his shouting was a signal to others on the airplane to initiate their plan. Maybe the shouting was a "kamikaze scream" just prior to taking phy
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